The funny part is almost everything Fauci said was correct. Coronavirus was not a major threat and Americans didn't have to worry about it. We should be more concerned about influenza. People should not be walking around wearing masks. And it did go away when it warmed up.
But Fauci is currently lying about HCQ, masks, vaccines, etc. So we are I guess going along with the administration's narrative that all of the above is wrong, because we want to discredit what Fauci is saying now?
I wish the President would stop saying the shutdown saved lives. I wish he would tell everyone that we were taken for a ride in the biggest, bloodiest, most damaging political hoax in history.
I wish the President would stop saying the shutdown saved lives
Sadly I do not see that there is currently a way to pivot to the truth without taking a massive beating. It will have to come out in small drips, after the election, imo
Agreed. I think this is my only real criticism of Trump since the new year, is his repeating the line that measures saged lives. He does usually say later that we need to open up, but giving weight to bad decisions made in the past and present gives them reason to think they should have the opportunity to do it, or continue, in the future.
People that are terrified of the virus will support lockdowns if they THINK it'll save them from the virus and people dying from drug overdoses and suicides won't matter to them. They use "grandma" as a misdirection when they really mean themselves.
This is the biggest disagreement I have with Trump. It's the largest disaster in the history of this country, unless you count wars. But then I can't completely blame him for not being able to pull a full reverse given the state of our media.
I only wonder if he knows how big of a hoax this was. Somehow I doubt that fact is lost on him.
Trump tried to stand up to it and say it was a hoax but he had the whole rest of the world playing along. And then Tucker flipped on him. Tucker started pumping out the fear. Then everyone on Fox joined in, and every corporation. It was all a coordinated attack. They banned T_D on Reddit right before they started the Coronahoax narrative. We were initially scattered. Then how many people here got swept away in the fear. People who tried to remain calm were attacked. When the left and the right decide to play act a fantasy like this, and the whole world is in on it, there was no way for Trump to reverse it all. He was probably smart to weaponize the whole thing against them and approach it like a military problem.
If he hadn't trusted a single individual associated with the left, this could have been avoided. Why is there a single person who worked with communists in this administration? How is that helping the country?
No one could have made the totally unprecedented idea of a nationwide lockdown legitimate but him. It should never have happened.
Trump is not a doctor. He obviously had to rely on what the "experts" at the time were saying. Nobody else would have done differently. Well, once you ramp up a whole nation in one direction, you cannot reverse it a couple weeks later.
The initial shutdown probably did save some lives.
The 15 days to flatten the curve worked so well as bait because there was a good rational for it. The initial virus death toll didn't overwhelm the hospitals, which could've resulted in other critical life saving treatment being impacted.
The problem with the lockdowns was that once the initial death spike happened, we should've opened back up. That was the bait and switch. Just because the mouse trap got us, doesn't mean the cheese wasn't real.
Everybody is probably going to get this sooner or later. That was always the assumption before the lockdown. That flatten the curve plan was sound only if we would've actually opened back up. To their credit, some areas did. Other areas, mainly blue states, decided to use the lockdown as an excuse to gain power, suppress the economy to impact voting, and to try and make a case for a bailout so they didn't have to admit their mathematically unsustainable social policies failed like the conservatives predicted.
I do think that some lives were probably saved. So I don't think he's wrong.
I disagree. There was never any flood of patients. The hospitals were empty. Medical workers throughout the nation were furloughed. This was no different than any of the other viruses that occasion this country. 6% of ~210k were actual China virus deaths, mostly from the intentional infection of seniors in NY and MI. Nothing needed to be done except a few logical things as we realized they would help, such as protecting seniors and making HCQ+zinc widely available.
Hospitals in NY were empty at the peak. Most staff were sitting around. Some making Ticktock videos. Not to say that there weren't some CV patients there. But there were multiple videos of these hospitals showing them to be ghost towns.
He did shut down within the borders. The entire country was shut down for a period, and this gave the left the opportunity to shut their states down even longer, as well
as issue illegal mask edicts, attempt to permanently close churches, etc.
Trump was fed a bunch of predictions based on "models", which are never accurate nor based in science, and he believed them. What he should have done is the exact opposite of what anyone cozy with the establishment advises.
No governor could do this without the clear, televised instruction of the President. Trump did "two weeks to slow the spread", then another 45 days. A 100% unconstitutional, unprecedented edict, and he gave them the pretext and legitimacy to do it.
That's the part that gets me about Fauchi. He always seemed to start with a rational, consistent with scientific precedent position, and then as soon as the narrative changed he'd flip-flop. Like, ok, maybe he was wrong before and he's adjusted his position... or maybe he was right before and he's wrong now?
I can't help but feel it's the later. That he knew what he was initially saying was right, and he was saying it because it was right. Then when the narrative shifted, he went with the lie, knowing that he was lying.
that's going to leave a mark!
This is why I drink.
hmm. I, for one, don't need a reason.
Whatcha having tonight?
Well Rose Bubbles, actually.
I'm sure that sounds weird, but I'm a woman so 😂
This 6'3", 280# bearded dude thinks that sounds delightful.
The funny part is almost everything Fauci said was correct. Coronavirus was not a major threat and Americans didn't have to worry about it. We should be more concerned about influenza. People should not be walking around wearing masks. And it did go away when it warmed up.
But Fauci is currently lying about HCQ, masks, vaccines, etc. So we are I guess going along with the administration's narrative that all of the above is wrong, because we want to discredit what Fauci is saying now?
I wish the President would stop saying the shutdown saved lives. I wish he would tell everyone that we were taken for a ride in the biggest, bloodiest, most damaging political hoax in history.
Sadly I do not see that there is currently a way to pivot to the truth without taking a massive beating. It will have to come out in small drips, after the election, imo
Agreed. I think this is my only real criticism of Trump since the new year, is his repeating the line that measures saged lives. He does usually say later that we need to open up, but giving weight to bad decisions made in the past and present gives them reason to think they should have the opportunity to do it, or continue, in the future.
People that are terrified of the virus will support lockdowns if they THINK it'll save them from the virus and people dying from drug overdoses and suicides won't matter to them. They use "grandma" as a misdirection when they really mean themselves.
This is the biggest disagreement I have with Trump. It's the largest disaster in the history of this country, unless you count wars. But then I can't completely blame him for not being able to pull a full reverse given the state of our media.
I only wonder if he knows how big of a hoax this was. Somehow I doubt that fact is lost on him.
Trump tried to stand up to it and say it was a hoax but he had the whole rest of the world playing along. And then Tucker flipped on him. Tucker started pumping out the fear. Then everyone on Fox joined in, and every corporation. It was all a coordinated attack. They banned T_D on Reddit right before they started the Coronahoax narrative. We were initially scattered. Then how many people here got swept away in the fear. People who tried to remain calm were attacked. When the left and the right decide to play act a fantasy like this, and the whole world is in on it, there was no way for Trump to reverse it all. He was probably smart to weaponize the whole thing against them and approach it like a military problem.
If he hadn't trusted a single individual associated with the left, this could have been avoided. Why is there a single person who worked with communists in this administration? How is that helping the country?
No one could have made the totally unprecedented idea of a nationwide lockdown legitimate but him. It should never have happened.
I agree.
Trump is not a doctor. He obviously had to rely on what the "experts" at the time were saying. Nobody else would have done differently. Well, once you ramp up a whole nation in one direction, you cannot reverse it a couple weeks later.
The initial shutdown probably did save some lives.
The 15 days to flatten the curve worked so well as bait because there was a good rational for it. The initial virus death toll didn't overwhelm the hospitals, which could've resulted in other critical life saving treatment being impacted.
The problem with the lockdowns was that once the initial death spike happened, we should've opened back up. That was the bait and switch. Just because the mouse trap got us, doesn't mean the cheese wasn't real.
Everybody is probably going to get this sooner or later. That was always the assumption before the lockdown. That flatten the curve plan was sound only if we would've actually opened back up. To their credit, some areas did. Other areas, mainly blue states, decided to use the lockdown as an excuse to gain power, suppress the economy to impact voting, and to try and make a case for a bailout so they didn't have to admit their mathematically unsustainable social policies failed like the conservatives predicted.
I do think that some lives were probably saved. So I don't think he's wrong.
I disagree. There was never any flood of patients. The hospitals were empty. Medical workers throughout the nation were furloughed. This was no different than any of the other viruses that occasion this country. 6% of ~210k were actual China virus deaths, mostly from the intentional infection of seniors in NY and MI. Nothing needed to be done except a few logical things as we realized they would help, such as protecting seniors and making HCQ+zinc widely available.
Nurses from around the country were flown to NYC. That includes that nurse that eventually blew the whistle on ventilators.
Hospitals in NY were empty at the peak. Most staff were sitting around. Some making Ticktock videos. Not to say that there weren't some CV patients there. But there were multiple videos of these hospitals showing them to be ghost towns.
I like to think that Trump is talking about shutting down the borders, not within the borders.
Did Trump shut anything down inside the country?
I suspect my thinking is wrong, he let himself be bullied into a position.
He did shut down within the borders. The entire country was shut down for a period, and this gave the left the opportunity to shut their states down even longer, as well as issue illegal mask edicts, attempt to permanently close churches, etc.
Trump was fed a bunch of predictions based on "models", which are never accurate nor based in science, and he believed them. What he should have done is the exact opposite of what anyone cozy with the establishment advises.
Trump didn't shut down anything but the borders and maybe national parks or something. He left it all up to state governors.
No governor could do this without the clear, televised instruction of the President. Trump did "two weeks to slow the spread", then another 45 days. A 100% unconstitutional, unprecedented edict, and he gave them the pretext and legitimacy to do it.
Yes, he made recommendations and states did as they wished. Hence South Dakota stayed open.
Damn, that’s beautiful
He started out honest. Idk who led the shutdown.
They figured out they could use it and bribed him.
That's the part that gets me about Fauchi. He always seemed to start with a rational, consistent with scientific precedent position, and then as soon as the narrative changed he'd flip-flop. Like, ok, maybe he was wrong before and he's adjusted his position... or maybe he was right before and he's wrong now?
I can't help but feel it's the later. That he knew what he was initially saying was right, and he was saying it because it was right. Then when the narrative shifted, he went with the lie, knowing that he was lying.
Glorious
good stuff.
He did the sign of the cross wrong...unless he managed to be brought up Eastern Orthodox in Scranton...
I get angry all of a sudden every time I hear kamala's fucking voice.
https://streamable.com/18098z
This actually kinda makes Biden look a little like he knows what hes talking about though.
Sort of a double-edged sword there, showing Biden and Harris asking what seem like reasonable questions.
O man that was good! Is it getting air time. First ad I like
People need to see this
My crazy, lezzzbeahhnn, neighbors have an "In Fauci We Trust" sign in their yard.