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XxxRDTPRNxxX 8 points ago +8 / -0

I don't accept that the government is responsible for feeding the poor in the first place. So to place the responsibility on the government for these people eating poorly seems very misplaced to say the least. If they are eating poorly it's because they aren't paying for better food themselves.

Next, People in other parts of the world live on less than $2 per day. Rice, beans, ramen, etc... is really cheap. Frozen vegetables are also very cheap.

It's not just a matter of money because if it was you could eat healthy for very cheap.

It really comes down to self control and convenience. Some people are more likely to take the instant gratification of junk food that tastes better than the more healthy bowl of boiled beans they have to make themselves. And I think people who already have that mindset are more likely to make the choices that keep them in poverty.

On the flip side someone who thinks long term, has self control, and will deny themselves instant gratification is the kind of person more likely to eat healthy, and also the kind of person more likely to escape poverty through those habits.

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Ausernamegoeshere 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't support welfare, either. But blaming the individual for the government engineering them into sheeple is a bit like saying "I don't vote because it doesn't matter" followed by "It's not my fault because I didn't vote".

Your government is, on the one hand, teaching people exclusively how to fail through public education and on the other, giving them just enough money to fail with and need more reliance on the state. Do some escape this? Yes, through family support and dedication. Oh, right.... Guess what those third and fourth hands have been sabotaging for the last 80 years?

Inaction led here and now constant action with actual understanding of the root causes is required to get us back to where we came from and not "well, they are just stupid people not willing to do anything, so we should do nothing."

As for the junk food versus healthy food, that's middle class - maybe "lower" middle class. I'm talking the actual poor.

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XxxRDTPRNxxX 1 point ago +1 / -0

I guess I'm just not understanding how if you fail it's the governments fault and not your own.

It seems like you're saying people have no agency and no responsibility for their own situation, their own opportunities, and even their own diet, and it all just boils down to they fail or succeed based solely on what the government gives them, or doesn't give them.

Sorry, but you haven't demonstrated the assertion that the government is responsible for all of the bad outcomes in people's lives.

My position is that the people themselves are responsible for improving their own lot in life, and whether or not you need or receive welfare in the process should not be a deciding factor for someone who's success minded.

And that's a big thing too.. Having a mind for success.. Some people are just fucking losers and always will be. The kind of people who win the lottery and then go broke 3 years later. There's no amount of engineering society to make someone like that not be a fuck up. And you can't look at people who are just natural fuck ups and say they are that way because the government trained it into them. Nah dude... Some people are just natural fuck ups and you need to account for them in your worldview.

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Ausernamegoeshere 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, why didn't you support yourself at 1 year old? Do you say you needed knowledge and training? I'd say you did....probably motor skills, too.

Now, what if all of your knowledge comes from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris? Do you suddenly feel like you can be a great individual?

Abandoning people and acting like they should just be automatically able to ignore the core teachings they've been given all their life is why everyone 16 to 29 thinks they can solve the world's problems and give us Venezuela and California over and over again.

If it's not your problem, who's problem is it for everyone that doesn't know how to be an individual?

We either defeat socialism or we just let it hide for a few years.