I call bullshit on this whole topic. If every black parent has this talk with their kid, why do none of them do these things? If you punch a cop, they will defend themselves with deadly force. That's elementary school shit.
Exactly the problem with the black community is not having the talk, its the lack of having the talk. Cops don't want trouble, paperwork is a bitch. You respect them and comply, they'll let you off with a warning, maybe a ticket if you truly fucked up or its close to the end of the month.
I am not black, and I don't specifically remember a single talk (it was probably a series of comments as I was growing up, along with watching my own parents behavior if they got pulled over) But I sure as hell knew what to do, and how to behave around police, especially in the case of being pulled over in a car by the time I was driving on my own.
I would go as far as turning on all interior lights, rolling down windows, turning off radio and wait patiently for the officer to walk up.
It seems that a lot of black americans who resist are taught that cops are bad / evil (even more so the past year) and that they won't be treated fairly no matter how they behave. Also there are probably a good amount that resist who have priors or outstanding issues that they don't want to get pulled back in for, so they make a "calculated" decision to just try and get away.
Most of the recent police shootings involved career criminals that managed to get paroled and would face serious jail time if they got caught again - then they tried to get away and ended up getting shot because escape would mean killing or seriously hurting a police officer.
Problem is, you didn’t have anything illegal to hide. These people that don’t have the talk want us to feel sorry when the police bully them for failure to comply al the while, they are really just covering for some other illegal activities.
I had TONS of illegal stuff in my car, from pot pipes to BB guns to fireworks and I never had any trouble because I never gave them a reason to look under the seat, in the glove compartment, and in the trunk. That's because I always had my hands on the wheel and my getting my paperwork didn't involve any furtive movements.
I learned all this just by observation, no parent taught me. Sometimes it's just about having brains and some common sense.
You need a dad to give you the talk in a way that you will believe you need to listen to it
The talk given by your mum, as a teenager, is almost a joke: yeah, mum I won't use my skateboard to do crazy stunts... Totally
Yeah, mum I will totally not act like a thug when the popo stop me and my Gs
Well... most black folks comply with the officers.... there are tens of millions of interactions with. Ops per year, and only a small fragments turn violent.
The jarhead general was in the right. Also, nevermind the lecture. An O6 could just order his troops to stop that shit music and the order would have to be obeyed.
Because that's not the talk black people give their kids.
Our talk is "Do what they say, don't be threatening, don't resist, their job is just enforcement, talk to the judge if you have a problem with the arrest, but if you fight the cops you're gonna get shot."
Their talk is "The cops want to kill you and will use any excuse at all to do so, so you better run like hell and try to get away with your life if you ever get within a mile of one. And if they catch you, you better fight like your life depends on it because all they want to do is kill black folks."
And we don't mention our talk because it's not a big deal, it's no more unusual than explaining to your kids that fire is hot and knives are sharp.
I wanted to slap that bitch when she asked that question. Every white kid gets the talk about how to deal with the police. Hands visible, window rolled down, no radio on, license and registration at the ready.
There's another talk that most white kids get too. If you're out and about and you find yourself in a place over 50% black, leave. You are very likely in physical danger.
(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.
“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”
(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)
(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.
(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however” e.g., paragraph (10h) below” this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.
(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.
(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random”for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers” the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means “the averages” of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.
(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.
(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.
(9) A small cohort of blacks "in my experience, around five percent" is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks "around half" will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.
(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:
(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”
(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore "for example, at a government office" you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. "The DMV lady" is a statistical truth, not a myth.
(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.
(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public "corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc." with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.
(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).
You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.
Damn, I was told this when I was younger. It's very relevant in Chicagoland. It's a sad reality and an open secret that everyone acknowledges, but never explicitly discusses unless in safe company.
The "not moving quickly in the vehicle or reaching for the glove box" is just as applicable in rural parts of the country too. Guns apparently only exist in black communities except when the gun control conversations come up.
Also, if you're on a road named after MLK, you should definitely turn around and every red light needs to be a rolling stop.
Yep, that whole "the talk" narrative is simply more divisive Democrat race baiting. The police are always wary when they make a traffic stop and are specifically trained to assume the possibility of a weapon being drawn. In fact, many departments train their officers to have keep their hand on their sidearm when they approach a vehicle. Anyone acting sketchy or reaching around inside their vehicle when pulled over is at going to add stress and risk to that situation.
As for your second point, I actually got that talk from a former coworker, a black woman who grew up in South Central L.A. She advised me to avoid going there at all, and told me that should I ever find myself in that area for any reason, to not stop at intersections and to roll through stop signs and even red lights, because you can expect to be carjacked.
I’m white and I tell my kids to shut up if the police stop them and do everything a police officer says to do. Period. This idea that only black parents have these conversations with their kids is just a flagrant lie.
A white guy wearing a hoodie and looking sketchy is just as much of a concern as a black guy wearing a hoodie and looking sketchy. It's culture and the actions that go with it, not race, that people use to judge others, and for good reason.
In prison and in the 'hood, disrespecting someone is a huge thing. Most the time it turns into instant violence.
When a cop tells you to do something, a lot of them take that as "disrespect"
There is also another "Talk". It was created by a good man named John Derbyshire. He was fired from his job and vilified for his "Talk", which was solely concerned with physical safety.
His talk is still, today, spot on. It adheres to common sense, and all of the lessons in his talk are valuable tools in keeping your family safe.
My parents also told me this. They also taught me that i have the right to remain silent, and that i should invoke it if i feel the Police are treating me unfairly. They specifically taught me not to talk too much as to not give the Police rope to hang me with. Something along the lines of "shut up and let them take you to jail, then call a lawyer. You can't sue them if your dead."
It's seems like some of us just have good parents, and some of us just don't.
Many years ago I took a job that required me to travel to the east coast. This was my first experience in places like Camdon, NJ .
As part of a two man team in a van we would drive to locations to refit them. We got pulled over a lot because we looked suspicious. We learned from others that when you get pulled over you had to roll down your windows and stick your hands outside for the officers to see.
I dont know if that is still a thing or not. However, Coming from a small town perspective, This was an education for me.
For shitty black parents any amount of parenting is considered memorable and unprecedented
I imagine teaching nothing but disrespect, especially through example, completely clashes with saying "aight kid, remember how I said never take no shit from nobody, ok here is one exception.... "
Just look at the thousands of police videos on TV shows and YouTube etc. It seems like the average ghetto person is a bull in a pen, slamming the gate trying to buck wild.
It isn't that complicated - just don't do anything to make the officer feel afraid, like suddenly reach for something out of view. I've never done the "hands on the steering wheel" bullshit, because that makes it look like I might take off at any moment. When I have felt the stop was due to something unjust, like a speed trap, I fucking let the officer know - with words, but I never threaten them, get out of my car, or make any sudden moves. They just let me vent and give me the ticket anyway. Perhaps a lawyer or a cop can weigh in on this as since they are representatives of the state, maybe they are not allowed to infringe on my right to free speech.
I got the talk from a cop when I was pulled over as a 16 year old white boy. I gave the talk to my son when he started driving. I explained to him that he has a lot of control over how things go through his behavior when interacting with the cops.
It’s made up. My guess is less than 1% of black people who are killed each year are by cops. If there’s a talk that needs to be had it’s about staying away from gangs. Unfortunately there’s almost never two parents to give such a talk.
Way less than 1% of the population. The yearly average is about 230 blacks killed by cops, out of a population of about 40 million. Out of those 230, 4% were unarmed. That's an average of 8 people a year.
Homebuilt firearms are almost never used in violent crimes, it is usually a stolen factory built gun (most often a pistol). Stop buying into the left's campaign against homemade guns in order to pursue their registry.
Every kid with good parents, every person who watches live police shows knows this: put your hands where they can be seen and sit still. Easy peasy.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who have common sense and those who are fools.
This is going to eventually bite Democrats in the ass once the population realizes "The Talk" isn't about blacks being systematically abused by whites, but rather it's about ALL citizens being systematically abused by The State.
Got that talk! If in an altercation then do what the police say and don't resist. End of story. Grew up way out in the sticks... hours away from a metropolis and only ONE token black family in the community. It's a chat that ALL parents have with their children. I've had it with my own little cracka children.
I had a black dude at the pub try and claim that this was a race-exclusive talk. I was trying to reason with him about the BLM movement. When he said that, I told him that I must be black and didn't know it.
I got this talk, I got to give this talk to my youngest sister, and I'll be giving this talk to all of my kids. It's important, and I agree with those comments above, many blacks NOT getting this talk is the bigger problem.
As my husband the then-cop explained; most cops won't make a mistake or shoot you/me.. but basic commonsense rules, and understanding how cops are attacked and what they're watching for, protects all of us even from the occasional bad apple.
No its not unfortunate, it's part of living in a functional society with law enforcement. Do you have any idea how dangerous traffic stops are for the police? Every time they walk up to some random car they have to wonder if they're going to make it home that night. As a citizen its our responsibility to make the polices job as safe as we can.
Didn't everyone? I got this talk when I was about 12-13. I'm half white-Mex and can pass as white, and still got this talk. It's not a race issue. It's called raising your kids and everyone should do it, regardless of race.
I went to a high school with like 2 black kids in it. There were Asians and Hispanics in OK numbers. Regardless, the speech Joe gave was given in driver's ed. I also got it from my father. I'm as white as they come.
I call bullshit on this whole topic. If every black parent has this talk with their kid, why do none of them do these things? If you punch a cop, they will defend themselves with deadly force. That's elementary school shit.
Exactly the problem with the black community is not having the talk, its the lack of having the talk. Cops don't want trouble, paperwork is a bitch. You respect them and comply, they'll let you off with a warning, maybe a ticket if you truly fucked up or its close to the end of the month.
Having this talk implies being a parent, so no.
being able to talk and behave rationally requires lower estrogen levels and a more developed prefrontal cortex too.
lmfao
Underrated comment
I am not black, and I don't specifically remember a single talk (it was probably a series of comments as I was growing up, along with watching my own parents behavior if they got pulled over) But I sure as hell knew what to do, and how to behave around police, especially in the case of being pulled over in a car by the time I was driving on my own.
I would go as far as turning on all interior lights, rolling down windows, turning off radio and wait patiently for the officer to walk up.
It seems that a lot of black americans who resist are taught that cops are bad / evil (even more so the past year) and that they won't be treated fairly no matter how they behave. Also there are probably a good amount that resist who have priors or outstanding issues that they don't want to get pulled back in for, so they make a "calculated" decision to just try and get away.
This.
Most of the recent police shootings involved career criminals that managed to get paroled and would face serious jail time if they got caught again - then they tried to get away and ended up getting shot because escape would mean killing or seriously hurting a police officer.
Drivers Ed is where I learned this.
Yea, thinking back that far... I think they probably taught us that as well.
That's "the talk".
Problem is, you didn’t have anything illegal to hide. These people that don’t have the talk want us to feel sorry when the police bully them for failure to comply al the while, they are really just covering for some other illegal activities.
I had TONS of illegal stuff in my car, from pot pipes to BB guns to fireworks and I never had any trouble because I never gave them a reason to look under the seat, in the glove compartment, and in the trunk. That's because I always had my hands on the wheel and my getting my paperwork didn't involve any furtive movements.
I learned all this just by observation, no parent taught me. Sometimes it's just about having brains and some common sense.
You need a dad to give you the talk in a way that you will believe you need to listen to it The talk given by your mum, as a teenager, is almost a joke: yeah, mum I won't use my skateboard to do crazy stunts... Totally
Yeah, mum I will totally not act like a thug when the popo stop me and my Gs
I think this is true. If my mom told me not to do something, that meant it looked dangerous. If my dad said it, it WAS dangerous.
Well... most black folks comply with the officers.... there are tens of millions of interactions with. Ops per year, and only a small fragments turn violent.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/top-marine-corps-general-removed-amid-probe-into-racial-slur/
The jarhead general was in the right. Also, nevermind the lecture. An O6 could just order his troops to stop that shit music and the order would have to be obeyed.
Chose the wrong hill to kill his career in.
Seems to me he asked a reasonable question, and political Commandant saved this removal to look bad for the election.
The DoD is cucked, thanks 0bama
Sadly, you are not wrong. Something like 200 GOFO were forced out during that administration
His boss was probably an Obama ass kisser.
Almost every surviving GOFO in 16 was
The talk black mothers have with their kids is “fuck the police because they arrested their dad for murdering another drug dealer over turf”.
The cycle needs to end on the buyer side, not the supply side.
Because that's not the talk black people give their kids.
Our talk is "Do what they say, don't be threatening, don't resist, their job is just enforcement, talk to the judge if you have a problem with the arrest, but if you fight the cops you're gonna get shot."
Their talk is "The cops want to kill you and will use any excuse at all to do so, so you better run like hell and try to get away with your life if you ever get within a mile of one. And if they catch you, you better fight like your life depends on it because all they want to do is kill black folks."
And we don't mention our talk because it's not a big deal, it's no more unusual than explaining to your kids that fire is hot and knives are sharp.
And don't forget to pull your favorite saggy pants up as you're running, so that it looks like you're reaching into your waistband for a gun.
CHRIS ROCK.
'how not to get your a kicked by the police.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
If the cops have to come get you they're bringing an ass whoopin' with them.
'If your woman is mad at you - leave her at home!'
He got weed! He got weed!
i was going to post this:)
the best comedy has serious truth behind it - and as such - it never gets old...
They teach you this on the first day of Driver's Ed.
Is Driver's Ed now racist, too?
Everything is racist now
? Babe?
Lol gotcha
If the majority of the population is racist... the it's okay, majority rules right?
Having to get a drivers license is racist because according to democrats minorities are too stupid to get a DL
I wanted to slap that bitch when she asked that question. Every white kid gets the talk about how to deal with the police. Hands visible, window rolled down, no radio on, license and registration at the ready.
There's another talk that most white kids get too. If you're out and about and you find yourself in a place over 50% black, leave. You are very likely in physical danger.
John Derbyshire compiled it together a long time ago. And he was of course attacked for saying the things you're just not supposed to say:
https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/
Interesting read, posting to save you 2 clicks.
(1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.
“There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”
(2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)
(3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.
(4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however” e.g., paragraph (10h) below” this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.
(5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.
(6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random”for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers” the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means “the averages” of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.
(7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.
(8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.
(9) A small cohort of blacks "in my experience, around five percent" is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks "around half" will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.
(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:
(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
(11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”
(12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore "for example, at a government office" you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. "The DMV lady" is a statistical truth, not a myth.
(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.
(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public "corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc." with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.
(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).
You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.
Damn, I was told this when I was younger. It's very relevant in Chicagoland. It's a sad reality and an open secret that everyone acknowledges, but never explicitly discusses unless in safe company.
The "not moving quickly in the vehicle or reaching for the glove box" is just as applicable in rural parts of the country too. Guns apparently only exist in black communities except when the gun control conversations come up.
Also, if you're on a road named after MLK, you should definitely turn around and every red light needs to be a rolling stop.
Avoid roads named after Malcolm X too.
MLK named roads also ironically
Yep, that whole "the talk" narrative is simply more divisive Democrat race baiting. The police are always wary when they make a traffic stop and are specifically trained to assume the possibility of a weapon being drawn. In fact, many departments train their officers to have keep their hand on their sidearm when they approach a vehicle. Anyone acting sketchy or reaching around inside their vehicle when pulled over is at going to add stress and risk to that situation.
As for your second point, I actually got that talk from a former coworker, a black woman who grew up in South Central L.A. She advised me to avoid going there at all, and told me that should I ever find myself in that area for any reason, to not stop at intersections and to roll through stop signs and even red lights, because you can expect to be carjacked.
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1319461207355568128
LOL that reply "but that doesn't sound as woke, Clay". Exactly.
I was going to say that I also had the talk about where your hands go and how to address an officer during a traffic stop and I'm as white as it gets.
I'm practically translucent.
I'm whiter than sour cream.
Whiter than Shaun King?
I was in AV club and Glee club, And even the chess team!
The Clorox People
A white guy wearing a hoodie and looking sketchy is just as much of a concern as a black guy wearing a hoodie and looking sketchy. It's culture and the actions that go with it, not race, that people use to judge others, and for good reason.
In prison and in the 'hood, disrespecting someone is a huge thing. Most the time it turns into instant violence. When a cop tells you to do something, a lot of them take that as "disrespect"
I think you misspelled "dis'pec".
There is also another "Talk". It was created by a good man named John Derbyshire. He was fired from his job and vilified for his "Talk", which was solely concerned with physical safety.
His talk is still, today, spot on. It adheres to common sense, and all of the lessons in his talk are valuable tools in keeping your family safe.
https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/
My parents also told me this. They also taught me that i have the right to remain silent, and that i should invoke it if i feel the Police are treating me unfairly. They specifically taught me not to talk too much as to not give the Police rope to hang me with. Something along the lines of "shut up and let them take you to jail, then call a lawyer. You can't sue them if your dead."
It's seems like some of us just have good parents, and some of us just don't.
Many years ago I took a job that required me to travel to the east coast. This was my first experience in places like Camdon, NJ .
As part of a two man team in a van we would drive to locations to refit them. We got pulled over a lot because we looked suspicious. We learned from others that when you get pulled over you had to roll down your windows and stick your hands outside for the officers to see.
I dont know if that is still a thing or not. However, Coming from a small town perspective, This was an education for me.
Same
It's both. A bit of common sense that facilitates self-preservation.
For shitty black parents any amount of parenting is considered memorable and unprecedented
I imagine teaching nothing but disrespect, especially through example, completely clashes with saying "aight kid, remember how I said never take no shit from nobody, ok here is one exception.... "
Just look at the thousands of police videos on TV shows and YouTube etc. It seems like the average ghetto person is a bull in a pen, slamming the gate trying to buck wild.
Bad/no parenting is racist now
They fucking tell you this in god damned drivers ed in high school. The left are mentally disabled
My parents just raised me to respect the law and police officers in general, no specific talk needed. Worked so far.
I got "the talk" from my drivers-ed teacher and when a cop visited our school for an assembly.
It isn't that complicated - just don't do anything to make the officer feel afraid, like suddenly reach for something out of view. I've never done the "hands on the steering wheel" bullshit, because that makes it look like I might take off at any moment. When I have felt the stop was due to something unjust, like a speed trap, I fucking let the officer know - with words, but I never threaten them, get out of my car, or make any sudden moves. They just let me vent and give me the ticket anyway. Perhaps a lawyer or a cop can weigh in on this as since they are representatives of the state, maybe they are not allowed to infringe on my right to free speech.
I got the talk from a cop when I was pulled over as a 16 year old white boy. I gave the talk to my son when he started driving. I explained to him that he has a lot of control over how things go through his behavior when interacting with the cops.
Try wearing a MAGA hat in a black neighborhood and then get back to me on how dangerous it is as a black man wearing a hoodie.
It’s made up. My guess is less than 1% of black people who are killed each year are by cops. If there’s a talk that needs to be had it’s about staying away from gangs. Unfortunately there’s almost never two parents to give such a talk.
Way less than 1% of the population. The yearly average is about 230 blacks killed by cops, out of a population of about 40 million. Out of those 230, 4% were unarmed. That's an average of 8 people a year.
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Uh oh Sharyl, you just can't spout facts and logic if there's fear to be spread in the black community. CANCELLED!
If those people actually listened to mom and dad they wouldn't get gunned down while reaching for their ghost guns
Homebuilt firearms are almost never used in violent crimes, it is usually a stolen factory built gun (most often a pistol). Stop buying into the left's campaign against homemade guns in order to pursue their registry.
Yeah, I don't get this either.
I'm mixed and I pass as white but I still got this talk from the white side of my family.
The notion that only black kids get "the talk" is such liberal nonsense.
Same. 10 and 2
Every kid with good parents, every person who watches live police shows knows this: put your hands where they can be seen and sit still. Easy peasy. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who have common sense and those who are fools.
I’m white and had that talk with my kids too. Oh, and I also taught them to not break the fucking law.
I got the talk about black neighborhoods.
Isn’t it obvious that blacks don’t teach their own the be obedient and respectful to police? Even in minor traffic incident encounters.
So did I...they even teach that in driver's ed.
White in a rural Midwest area and I got the talk.
ditto here
There is another “talk” that white parents should be having with their children.
“..., never relax.”
This is going to eventually bite Democrats in the ass once the population realizes "The Talk" isn't about blacks being systematically abused by whites, but rather it's about ALL citizens being systematically abused by The State.
Every one of us with responsible parents got 'the talk.'
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Got that talk! If in an altercation then do what the police say and don't resist. End of story. Grew up way out in the sticks... hours away from a metropolis and only ONE token black family in the community. It's a chat that ALL parents have with their children. I've had it with my own little cracka children.
I had a black dude at the pub try and claim that this was a race-exclusive talk. I was trying to reason with him about the BLM movement. When he said that, I told him that I must be black and didn't know it.
For the record, it was part of my drivers education class I took 40 years ago.
I got this talk, I got to give this talk to my youngest sister, and I'll be giving this talk to all of my kids. It's important, and I agree with those comments above, many blacks NOT getting this talk is the bigger problem.
same here, it's unfortunate that we have to have this kind of talk with our kids regardless of race
No, it's not a "shame."
Follow-up tweet:
https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1319461684076027904
No its not unfortunate, it's part of living in a functional society with law enforcement. Do you have any idea how dangerous traffic stops are for the police? Every time they walk up to some random car they have to wonder if they're going to make it home that night. As a citizen its our responsibility to make the polices job as safe as we can.
Didn't everyone? I got this talk when I was about 12-13. I'm half white-Mex and can pass as white, and still got this talk. It's not a race issue. It's called raising your kids and everyone should do it, regardless of race.
I went to a high school with like 2 black kids in it. There were Asians and Hispanics in OK numbers. Regardless, the speech Joe gave was given in driver's ed. I also got it from my father. I'm as white as they come.
I thought “the talk” was about the birds and the bees. How many different ‘talks’ are there? 😂