There are many reasons why I'm not the biggest Trump fan, but I'm voting for him anyway after planning to vote for Jo Jorgensen. I wrote in Ron Paul in 2016 and hate the term "this election is too important" but here are my reasons.
- The Corporate Press
I just really can't take these people the lies and obvious manipulation really grinds my gears. The way they have completely covered for Joe Biden, attack Trump for obvious jokes hes making, or as I would put it, breaking balls. NPRs statement yesterday was a shocker, not the actual content of it but the fact that they said it out loud. I have long understood the depravity of the corporate press but for them to task the mask off so brazenly will make the 'liberal reactions to Trumps win' highlights so much sweater.
- The Wars
Although I have many issues with the wars Trump has continued to fight (Yemen etc.) he hasn't started a new war, I think you may have to go before WW2 to find a president who did that. He is currently working on a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government. Joe Bidens foreign policy adviser said he'd like to go back into Syria. All the Bush era neo-cons, whom I hate slightly more than even commies, have all endorsed Joe Biden. Joe will either escalate the wars, move to make them permanent, and most likely get us into new wars.
- The Democrats
They just deserve to loose. Even if I don't necessarily want Trump to win the democrats deserve to loose. They have moved further and further left in the worst ways, and further "right" in the worst ways supporting the wars courting the neo-cons (who were originally left-wing trotskyites but thats another story) and acting like THE FUCKING SPOOKS at the CIA and FBI should be held up as examples of American patriotism instead of the traitors they are (arming Al-Qaeda in Syria for example).
I hate Joe Biden far less than Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton is a fucking psychopathic monster whom I relished in watching lose last time, even then I didn't vote for Trump. This time is different those the corporate press has just gotten worse as time has went on and the Democrats learned absolutely nothing from 2016 other than we need to get more Orwellian than before.
Here are my concerns for the election right now.
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Mail in Voting - have no idea how this will effect the race
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Liking Trump or hating Hillary - I am slightly worried, and I haven't seen the press talk about this factor, how much Trump won last time because of Hillary. They underestimated how much people HATE Hillary Clinton, I wouldn't be surprised if many democrats stayed home in Michigan and Wisconsin last time just because they hated Hillary and if that will not translate to Biden.
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Corporate press driven hatred of Trump - I am worried that these last three years has made more people brainwashed into believing the corporate press and although they have little enthusiasm for Biden they will go out and vote because Orange Man Bad.
Anyway, lets hope I get to enjoy another TYT and CNN meltdown on November 4th while blasting this for the days after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcEc8zeNYxI
Let's finish this.
These Libertarians are the reason Trump lost the popular vote in 2016. In 2012 Gary Johnson got 1.2 million votes. In 2016 he got 4.5 million. I bet 3 million were brain washed by Media to vote against Trump. Utah Evan also took 700000 votes 60% of which would have gone to Trump if they didn't believe in any of this trash. All you folks who voted for these people should come back and vote for Trump. I am convinced that losing the popular vote was allowed these left wing lunatics to run wild in the last 4 years. May be he would not even be impeached. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN! ALLOW HIM TO LEAD THE NATION IN PEACE! GET HIM THE POPULAR VOTE ALSO!
It’s not just why trump lost the popular vote. It’s why we lost many senate and house races. Fuck libertarians. Pick a side is what I say. You’re either a cuck or not. POTUS hurt your feelings? Suck Nancy and chucks tits. I don’t think anyone needs you not “necessarily wanting trump to win”. Fuck you.
I (like many here) don't necessarily agree with Trump on 100% of everything.
That said, Biden as a President would be a complete disaster for the country. We can all agree on that.
MAGA is the home of free thinkers
I don't agree with Trump on everything either, but making the "impossible" possible in the midst of the hateful negative environment CNN & MSM work to cultivate is inspiring.
Examples include peace deal between Israel and Islamic nation after Islamic nation.. More in his 1 term than cumulatively in decades past.
GDP growth Pre Covid at levels Obama mocked and called impossible.
I don't need to agree with someone universally to see leadership when it is presented so obviously.
I wish Trump would have agreed with Biden last night on not treating non violent drug users as criminals. It would have been an easy win, without hurting the base at all. I hope in the second term he focuses more on substance abuse being a health issue, not a criminal issue.
I went rounds with someone on this. Where I do agree, rehab and or halfway houses is a better solution for first, possibly second non violent offenders, beyond that jail is the only option if they continue down that road.
The thing is, you are allocating resources either way. And while a person could still be functional but imperfect on the outside, they can’t from in prison. Hell, we can’t even keep drugs from getting into our prisons. Don’t get me wrong, criminality stemming from drug use should absolutely be prosecuted, but to punish a nonviolent addict for only using, is just punishing someone that’s already destroying themself.
Trump may not be a libertarian but he's accomplished more of the libertarian agenda than any proper libertarian has.
Second, the Libertarian party has going utterly fucking nuts, at this point they're competing with the Greens to see who can be the better closet commie.
Aleppo Man was such a loser. Ron Paul all the way!
The main concern of Libertarians should be the ABOLISHMENT OF SOCIALISM. With it, most of the swamp will follow into the drain.
Weed, open borders, gay marriage, pro abortion - this is all just aimless faggotry pandering to the degenerate left that becomes increasingly radical and communist thanks to more and more indoctrination and propaganda. Rather than facing the real threat in society, they indulge in virtue signalling with distractions, ultimately appeasing the left.
If someone asks you "so you would want to destroy welfare and let people just starve to death?" and your answer is not ultimately YES, then you are not a true Libertarian. Because the same question can be expanded to "so you would want to stop the government from mandating masks and lockdowns and let people die to the virus?" and the answer is also YES. The questions are loaded with stupid premises anyway.
The left really likes to slap labels on themselves, which create the illusion of belonging to something that is not predominantly Marxist. It is really annoying. RINOs, DINOs, LINOs...
Charity not only provides more for people in need, by a significant amount, but it's morally just.
Bob Barr has them all beat. What he did to Paul can never be forgiven.
As a libertarian this is how i feel about libertarians:
https://imgflip.com/i/4jlrd0
As a rational libertarian, the extremely dogmatic libertarians are the worst. I like almost all libertarian ideology in principle, but we don’t live in a libertarian world where everyone plays by our rules.
Exactly. The principles are good but one has to recognize that in the real world not everyone is John Galt.
We tried a full-libertarian government.
It was called the Articles of Confederation, which left the federal government so weak that it couldn't even collect taxes, and nearly fell apart when the unpaid soldiers started organizing a coup (only stopped when George Washington personally came to their meeting site and talked them out of their revolt).
Our current Constitution is the result of our nation's founders coming to a compromise in order to make the American Experiment work.
That's the thing about extreme ideologies: just like any other thing (including "breathing oxygen" and "drinking water"), too much or too little can be deadly. It's all about balance, and finding the compromise that best works to match our needs.
full libertarian is just as pants on head retarded as full communism... but I'm going to try and get closer to the libertarian side than the communist side as much as reasonably possible
I fully agree, I was just pointing out that the "extremely dogmatic libertarians" who actually want full An-Cap policies to be implemented in our government either have not learned about the Articles of Confederation or don't understand its implications.
LEANING Libertarian (particularly in response to massive pushes by the other side to implement socialist/Communist policies over the past few decades) is completely good and normal.
Trying to institute/run a fully-Anarcho-Capitalist society is just as retarded as the Champagne Socialists talking about how "the world would be better ONLY IF I PERSONALLY control EVERY ASPECT OF IT" (hence why even in fictional settings, the An-Cap system usually only appears in the immediate aftermath of THE GODDAMN APOCALYPSE, and is quickly replaced by some more-centralized system for maintaining law and order).
Libertarian Trump voter here...
Came to say the same thing. Trump isn’t perfect, but he’s the most libertarian President of my lifetime. Including Reagan. Trump supports the gold standard and is a hawk on the Fed.
The libertarian movement has been co-opted by leftists. There is no apology for socialism with libertarianism. Also, just want to point out that the uniparty used the concept of total free trade to the detriment of the U.S., and to the benefit of China.
Free trade is one of those "great concept, terrible practice" things. We follow the rules, everyone else involved bends the rules to their benefit; like subsidizing an industry to dump cheap products and destroy US domestic production.
Right. Free trade shouldn’t mean closing your eyes and plugging your ears when you are being taken advantage of.
Free trade is a great domestic policy, but other countries will never share our definition of “free” in the first place, which is why I like the Trump doctrine of fair trade for international markets.
Reciprocal trade is a much better policy. We never had real free trade, we had the US not charging tarrifs while our trading partners were tariffing the fuck out of us. That's not anywhere near free trade.
Second, free trade only works when you trade with nations who share your views regarding employee and environmental protections. Free trade with nations that allow dangerous working conditions and mass pollution is just offloading the social and environmental damage onto another nation while taking on economic damage in your own nation, neither party wins.
Right you are.
The libertarian candidate is pro BLM. That's disqualifying. Libertarian party supporting a marxist organization
The LP has been a joke since the 2010's.
Earlier than that, sadly. We won "major party" status in the late 1990s in Washington state. Then a few stupid fuckers who didn't even hold party office sabotaged the efforts to maintain and expand on that because they wanted control of the money donors were putting up (even though, note, they weren't party officers, just long-time assholes who hung around the party).
It was a steady slide downhill since then. Massive leftist infiltration starting just after Bush invaded Afghanistan to go after al Qaeda and the Taliban.
OK that's it.
My fiancee is a Libertarian although she voted for Trump and all but one GOP candidates.
She went from not knowing about or caring about politics to slowly but surely coming over to the right, and now champions Trump.
I'll love her no matter what but I'm gonna run this by her tonight. She HATES BLM so we'll see how it goes.
Just in case your fiancee wants confirmation
https://mobile.twitter.com/jorgensen4potus/status/1281638042315489284?lang=da
They also officially support open borders as of 2018 iirc. Not sure if that will help your efforts, but that was a deal breaker for many of my libertarian-leaning friends.
She told me of the "Split" that happened when Jo supported BLM, and how many didn't buy the bullshit follow-up.
We sat next to each other when we voted. She 100% voted for Trump and all red. To be honest she was mulling over a Libertarian candidate but I am pretty sure she went GOP (if she tells me how she votes fine, but I won't spy!).
And to put it in perspective, her whole family save for about two or three people are super liberals. Her parents especially. Her father thinks I brainwashed her into loving Trump and the Conservative way. In the face of all that anger and shaming she sticks to her guns and wants to MAGA.
Welcome. I wrote in Ron Paul in 2012.
Trump may not be libertarian perfection, but I swear he's the closest thing we'll ever have to an early Goldwater-style libertarian as president in my lifetime.
Let's hope you're wrong about that last bit.
Agree. I hope I am wrong!
You know, I keep hearing confessions like this about why people are voting Trump, but what strikes me the most is the most dangerous part of Biden's platforms. It's like nobody is even paying attention to them at all.
Hitler in Mein Kampf, the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously"
Even if he had told people that he would kill six million Jews, it was so outrageous that nobody would even believe it. In fact, many Jews did vote for Hitler.
The same thing is happening here in the US. They plan to exterminate you, and nobody even believes it. I just can't comprehend this at all.
People are lazy, willfully ignorant, think words mean more than actions.Talking is more important than results. Unwilling to change their minds as their identity is tied to lies or half-truths at best.
Hitler didn't plan to kill a bunch of Jews right from the beginning as we're taught. That's just our education system building up a nonredeemable Hollywood-tier monster for us to hate. The truth is that he was just a man, like Stalin or Xi Jinping, and building him up into something larger makes people more controllable because eventually it becomes a trigger word, as you can see with the left these days and how they think calling someone Hitler or a Nazi is some sort of conversational nuclear bomb. Don't allow yourself to be controlled by these people like that.
If you read the in depth history, you find that he tried for years to deport them but literally every country he asked wouldn't take them. Not saying exterminating afterwards them was the right decision, but according to Nazi party documentation and even Hitler himself, he didn't go into it thinking of genocide at all. Hence why Jews voted for him - because it wasn't the plan at first.
Don't assume I'm uneducated, and the eugenics program targeting unhealthy breeding stock began in 1934, shortly after Hitler assumed dictatorship over German.
We had eugenics programs in the U.S. for decades as well. Wikipoopia:
They were still allowing forced sterilizations until the 1970s. Mostly mental patients, some mentally retarded, and at least one mother who decided she didn't want her daughter to have kids. Then again, the same thing is happening now with "muh eight year old transgender 'daughter'!"
"shortly after"
In 1933, they were persecuting Catholic priests because they were protecting the infirm and Jews from Hitler's regime.
You mean all the “And then one day, for no reason at all...” memes are based on an inaccuracy? C’mon man, that’s gotta be malarkey!
https://allthatsinteresting.com/hitler-election
Yes, and Hitler wasn't one of the ones who got elected to office. His party members were. He was just the head of the party and subsequently got appointed as Chancellor.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/adolf-hitler-is-named-chancellor-of-germany
1932President of Germany, first round PartyCandidateVotes% IndependentPaul von Hindenburg18,651,49749.6 NSDAPAdolf Hitler 11,339,44630.1 KPDErnst Thälmann 4,938,34113.2 Der StahlhelmTheodor Duesterberg 2,557,7296.8 —Others116,3040.3 Majority7,312,05119.5
Thalmann became the founding father of Antifa.
what the actual fuck was that post? Is that you, Tay?
Look at it long enough, I'm sure you'll figure it out.
YouwererightIdidfigureitoutThanksforyourpatiencefellowMAGApede.2020MAGA!
I've already posted the evidence showing the election took place.
You mean the evidence showing that Hitler lost the election to another candidate?
Well, yes and no. If he hadn't come in second, I wonder if he would have had the clout to become leader of his party.
Okay. And? Is there a point to this?
Good enough. Welcome aboard
It's a wasted vote on Jo. I've been down the path with Perot. Got us the Clinton's...
Perot was too far ahead of his time. The world wasn't ready to understand that Nafta was a joke..
I always assumed he was threatened in some way. If he hadn't dropped out, I think he would have pulled it off.
Nice.
MAGA and KAG!
TRUMP 2020!
I’m a Libertarian and I didn’t vote Trump in 2016 but I would crawl through broken glass and lick old dog poop to vote for Trump in 2020. President Trump will be the first Republican I’ve ever voted for for President and I’ve voted in every election since 2000.
I’d say most of us can’t stand republicans AND Democrats (politicians), but I think most of us agree on more policy than we disagree on.
It’s just been a torturous few decades getting someone that doesn’t suck balls so we could all vote together
Trump is the most anti war U.S president ever. Period
Ultimately this is the decision. Communism or freedom in whatever limited form you perceive.
People don’t understand how accurate this is because if you’ve been eating up the liberal media’s outright lies it seems so extreme.
They say you can judge a man by his enemies. Trump has all the right ones.
Exactly this. Everyone he pisses off are people I have despised for years and years.
As a libertarian, how could you not vote for Trump?
Commies are anti Freedom
I'm libertarian-lite. Voted libertarian in many elections. Supported Rand Paul in the primaries, then Johnson when Paul dropped out, until just before election day. Ended up voting for Trump in 2016 because of Hillary. Voting for Trump in 2020 because of Trump. I've moved to the right. Way to the right.
I don't have much of a memory, so I'm going to screw up the quote. But it impressed me when someone here said something like:
"I became a libertarian because I wanted to be left alone, and I figured everyone else wanted the same. I became a conservative when I realized that the left will never leave me alone."
Libertarianism is nice in concept. But the left wants to destroy all that is good and libertarians have no real answer. Hell, most on the right don't either. Guys like Romney and NoName wouldn't do much to stop it.
Guys like Trump don't come along very often. Seize this moment. Vote Trump. Bring your libertarian friends with you.
Why I love this place, the president, and the new Republican party.
Stop being such a hater
You guys literally sabotage Trump's agenda by trying to play party gatekeeper.
The RINO party is gone.
You don't get to think for Republicans anymore. Sorry bro.
I’m a conservative and I don’t agree with everything Trump has done either, but right now we all have to join forces to beat the swamp. Once we have that accomplished and have the ship steered away from the waterfall, we can get backed to more of the political nuances.
Yeah I think you have a good point about Hillary. She's one of the most hated people in the country (deservedly) and even though Biden doesn't get the same hype from the left as Hillary, he's less hated in general.
I also don't agree with some stuff Trump has done but someone needs to call out the MSM.
Welcome! Get this patriot a coat
Neo-cons are the fucking worst.
Post this on the Libertarian subreddit
Ron Paul was running in 2012 vs cuck traitor Romney and cokehead obongo the mass murdering traitor.
He got Bernie'd by Romney and Rove and the Rinos before Bernie got Bernie'd.
Saved Team Trump from suffering the same.
2016 was Trump's election and Rand Paul lost 90% credibility by endorsing Romney 2012 OVER HIS DAD WHO GOT CHEATED. RP wasn't running in 2016 he'd retired.
Am a church member from Utah and even I knew how evil that loser Pierre Delecto is.
Stop hating Ron Paul. He paved the way for Trump.
Even if you hate Trump, a Trump win gets you 2 new candidates in 2024.
I'm a very staunch Libertarian myself, but our candidate is too woke for me. I can be a libertarian and still vote republican because I support things like:
Why can't the republican party just get over weed and gay marriage?
It was the corrupt corporate media that first red pilled me a quarter century+ ago and compelled me to vote for the opposite of who they were obviously pushing.
The fact that Donald Trump is in the White House strongly suggests that less, not more people are buying their lies BUT the question is how enthusiastic for Biden/against Trump are those that still do
Unless Trump wins and successfully destroys the swamp libertarians will never win in the future.
Thank you. If Trump wins by 1 vote in Florida, I'll buy you a beer.
Welcome aboard the Trump train!
Seeing the fake news media shit themselves and rage on. Seeing my professors cry and scratch their heads and retreat to their "but muh fascism" bullshit explanations. And seeing the Leftists REEEEEEing for another four years and organizing for a second civil war. All of this will make Trump's election on November 3, if it turns out that way, divinely sanctioned. God and the Divine have a way of exposing the Enemy's true colors and character, even if our Enemy has all of the Entrenched Institutional Power on their side.
I so very want to punch our Rigged Democrat-controlled Intellectual Behemoth in the balls and the testicles. Electing Trump President again to make America great again, again will delegitimize them forever.
Then Tim Poole, National File, Daily Wire, National Review, WSJ, justthenews, breitbart, conservative treehouse, Fox News will be exalted as the Legitimate Voices of Reason living up to their reputations.
Welcome aboard! Now get all of your Libertarian friends and any other social media groups you are involved in to also vote Trump!
Have a coat.
I'd be very interested to hear the reasons you originally planned to not vote Trump. It's very hard to talk to a liberal about this (or find them explaining it online). All their reasons seem to be Trump is racist or he's somehow hurting democracy. Thanks, fren.
One of the things I don't care for with Trump is how he hasn't done too much (to my knowledge, feel free to prove me wrong) on drug legalization. The right to try act is a step in the right direction but I wish he would go much farther on that.
You're right he hasn't (Well he did do criminal justice reform to give much fairer and less server punishments for drug users, but I'm not counting that towards legalization).
It's interesting to understand different people's perspectives. When suburban women always talk about how they don't like what Trump says I'm always thinking, "Who cares! Look at what he's done to the economy." But when I'm complaining about a future president ruining the economy they'll probably be thinking, "Who cares. Look at how Presidential he is."
You were planning on voting #BLM Jo? Almost as inept as "Where is Aleppo" Gary Johnson.
Well better late than never, welcome!
Welcome bruh, we'll take all the help we can get.
CALL YOUR FRIENDS...
ALL LIBERTARIANS need to form a rail car on the TRUMP TRAIN and get on the winning PRO AMERICAN team...
TRUMP NEEDS the 'Libertarian Nation' to join in.
Let's toss Marxists out together!
After even considering that I would say, sit back and listen for awhile.
Just wait, you think your not a trump fan now? Just wait till what he may bring out in his next 4 years. Im sure people will be dismayed, disgusted, and fed up with the Nazi ideologies coming from the left. Defunding police is a Nazi Era movement that didnt end well as we know today. But defunding police was in place by hitler cuz he didn't want any resistance to the riots he made happen with his Brown shirts going around making people panic and fear and stating if you want the riots gone he is the obvious leader to do it. Which he put his own people and im sure the people rioting for him in positions the police were in, that way the "law enforcers" would do anything hitler said to do. Is history repeating itself? And new wars have certai ly been started after WW2, War on Drugs, war on terrorism, war on free speech, and now soon to be because of the MSM and Bidens lies and ties to China another civil war no matter who wins. Honestly im telling you I was full demonrat before this year. I was researching informstion on trump to fight the evil trump supporters... thats about the time I woke up fully and saw that everything msm was saying was a dam lie, everything trump said he would do he did and then some more.Now I understand why supporters of trump always said " If your against Trump, your against America", now I understand fully. And I'll say this , if you have ANY issue with trump, then you may still have some left over MSM lies floating about, i have done alot of studying, and there really isn't anything I can find on trump that I can't get behind. Yes people hate wars, I am one of them, but, sometimes there are reasons to keep fighting some battles that were left over from the last term. If your a soldier then you would understand the matter of, if Trump was to stop all wars we are in, even small ones, your military and soldiers would think they were fighting for no reason, its really disheartening to think one minute your fighting, the next your not cuz it was a mistake and now your leaving a battle in the middle, not knowing why. Wars happen , some for obvious reasons of corruption, but if you have someone like trump in office all the time, wars would happen cuz of a sane reason, and not for some political gain, or oil, or anything else but our freedom being threatened.
Anyone who votes for Trump can be an honorary Based Pede.
Fuck Biden, the lockdowns must end.
Similar story pede. I'd prefer Ron or Rand Paul, but Trump is an undeniable force. The media are showing right now that they will openly attempt to rewrite reality if it means they can keep their role as kingmakers. I can't wait until they're all faced with having to find honest work when the media empire goes under.
Ironically, media is going to collapse no matter who wins. Either Trump exposes them as complete frauds, or the Harris administration takes over and viewership falls to nothing.
thanks for being thoughtful with your selection.
go go go!!! invite some friends!