Libertarians love to grift. Some notorious libs below.
Firstly, you've got Lauren Chen, the tweeter above. A libertarian grifting and larping as a conservative, because for some reason, that's cool, somehow.
Secondly, another Lauren, Lauren Southern, libertarian larping as a conservative, fucked off for a while and unfortunately came back now larping and grifting for centrists.
Thirdly, shoeonhead or June Lapine. Libertarian throughout gamergate. When that died down, she gifted and larped as a socialist while giving Trump a chance while supporting Bernie. Currently, she's still a libertarian while larping and grifting for communists and she's not hiding it while communists are hating her for it. Best buddies with Lauren Southern and that troon idiot Blaire White.
Tldr, libertarians are morons, are a fucking nuisance and should fuck off permanently.
Fair enough, Im not bashing you, just trying to help refine the redpilling.
If we are not precise the libtards will jump all over it and stick to that point to avoid actually having to defend anything substantive.
There ARE things that VSGGEOTUS does that i can see WHY the normies dislike it(though i disagree), but perhaps that has to do with that i WAS a Libertarian, but frankly it's to idealistic, in that aspect it is much like communism, it only works when you disregard the human element, because some people are just shitheels, so ABSOLUTE freedom will never work, because some people use THEIR freedom to do things to other people that make THEM less free. Freedom is a balancing act, without minor losses of freedom, you open the door for people with stupid ideas to perpetuate LARGE losses.
I put that bit in there about not bashing you, because sometimes when i point out a bad argument, some people(both those i am actually speaking with, and those reading) jump directly to 'reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' lol
To me libertarianism makes sense in terms of domestic governance - limit gov, maximize personal freedom. Gov exists to enforce laws around right to personal safety, property ownership, contractual agreements, thats about it.
I think it falls short in foreign and border policy. How to deal with immigration? How to deal with hostile foreign actors?
Libertarians love to grift. Some notorious libs below.
Firstly, you've got Lauren Chen, the tweeter above. A libertarian grifting and larping as a conservative, because for some reason, that's cool, somehow.
Secondly, another Lauren, Lauren Southern, libertarian larping as a conservative, fucked off for a while and unfortunately came back now larping and grifting for centrists.
Thirdly, shoeonhead or June Lapine. Libertarian throughout gamergate. When that died down, she gifted and larped as a socialist while giving Trump a chance while supporting Bernie. Currently, she's still a libertarian while larping and grifting for communists and she's not hiding it while communists are hating her for it. Best buddies with Lauren Southern and that troon idiot Blaire White.
Tldr, libertarians are morons, are a fucking nuisance and should fuck off permanently.
You can also get most of the people on TD.W to bash both sides, because huge segments of both sides fucking suck, Thus why we elected Donald J. Trump
Fair enough, Im not bashing you, just trying to help refine the redpilling. If we are not precise the libtards will jump all over it and stick to that point to avoid actually having to defend anything substantive. There ARE things that VSGGEOTUS does that i can see WHY the normies dislike it(though i disagree), but perhaps that has to do with that i WAS a Libertarian, but frankly it's to idealistic, in that aspect it is much like communism, it only works when you disregard the human element, because some people are just shitheels, so ABSOLUTE freedom will never work, because some people use THEIR freedom to do things to other people that make THEM less free. Freedom is a balancing act, without minor losses of freedom, you open the door for people with stupid ideas to perpetuate LARGE losses.
I put that bit in there about not bashing you, because sometimes when i point out a bad argument, some people(both those i am actually speaking with, and those reading) jump directly to 'reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' lol
The purity contests among libertarians are so annoying.
"among libertarians" you have an entirely unnecessary qualifier, lol, the statement is just as true without it
the muh drugs crowd brought in their retarded liberalism into it and killed it ded
Reason mag has been cucked for a loooooong time.
To me libertarianism makes sense in terms of domestic governance - limit gov, maximize personal freedom. Gov exists to enforce laws around right to personal safety, property ownership, contractual agreements, thats about it.
I think it falls short in foreign and border policy. How to deal with immigration? How to deal with hostile foreign actors?
>subverted liberarianism
I don't believe libertarianism has been subverted at all. They've always been like this.
Currently, libertarians are grifters grifting for conservatism and communism.