We shouldn't have to be using anything to get around this. This should just be allowed to happen. Sharing happens naturally in human contact, except for during a "pandemic" like this one. They've turned off every way to communicate, now ask yourselves why someone would want to do that.
Because our representatives allowed every little incremental step along the way and gave the enemy the keys to the house. Patriot Act, NDAA, Sec 230, etc.
Our ship was the Titanic basically, the captain was a traitor and steered us for the iceberg. Trump staged a populist mutiny, but there are still traitors on board.
You say we know it, but there isn't another post identifying that this happening. Most of the people in here aren't aware of what's going on with section 230. Again, this was a test. I already sent a ton of messages at 4am this morning to a bunch of the liberal extremists in my local community. One person converted early this morning. Praise PEDE, glory be to GEOTUS.
We had this problem with a forum that had blocked messages by keywords in PMs so that we could not provide a new forum's address we were migrating to. We just spaced the individual letters so we got around it. BTW, the owners of the site were revealed to be leftist.
No, don't accept censorship in any form. Repeal section 230 and make them own their censorship. The argument you give is wrong, period. It's similar to the "if you don't have anything to hide then why worry about the government invading your privacy" group. That attitude of yours is what got us into this position in the first place. I served ten years in the military, not to be told by some nerds in suits what to think and who I can share it with.
It isn’t censorship when the service provider told you in no uncertain terms within the very user agreement you agreed to, that they reserve the right to do whatever they want with user submitted data.
It is only censorship if you continue to be blind to the agreement you agreed to. Stop pretending you haven’t been warned about this for years.
Read on section 230, without that law that we gave them, then it doesn't exist. It will be repealed soon and we can send the liberal extreme packing. Do not cede any ground.
230 wont matter. These companies can not be rehabilitated. There is no scenario where Uncle Sam moderates the service back to fairness that isn’t a worse cure than the problem.
The only reason these companies have power is dumb consumers who ignored all the warning signs and failed to understand the agreements they approved. Smart consumers steered clear of these services from their inception and have none of the problems being complained about now as a result.
The solution is simple: mass exodus from any service that abuses its user base. Only patronize services that treat the customer fairly. Stop giving power to the bad guys by blind allegiance.
This very website is proof of the power of the invisible hand.
We're not getting a mass exodus yet and there are plenty of good people still trapped in the matrix. I learned in the military to never leave a man behind and that's what I am still focused on now. I woke my girlfriend up this morning on all of this finally, so it is working whether you believe my method is or not.
Wake them all up pede, that much is worth the effort indeed.
But don't stick around in an abusive relationship with the false hope that the abuser will somehow become your friend. They will never be your friend because they hate you and your kind. Hatred is in their nature, and prevents them from ever tolerating you.
All services need some kind of moderation. Without any moderation, we end up with depraved, immoral, illegal content. The type of moderation matters. We all agree on this.
The mistake a great many people are making is to put their emotional attachment to the service ahead of principles. Sure, you have all your photos there and have sunk enormous amounts of time into the service. It is hard to leave. Sunk cost fallacy rearing its ugly head.
But the principles are all too real and present now. These services are amoral, and harmful. It is therefore your duty to do your due diligence and have no part of them. Do not support them.
If Uncle Sam wants to bust them up, fine them, regulate them, or any combination of that or more, that is OK with me I guess. I just see that as a mostly pointless exercise and have written more about why in older posts that I can share if you are truly curious.
But if we go in that direction, are we really asking for a government controlled service? Because let us be real: free speech only applies to your relationship with the government. It does not apply to your relationship with a private business. This is clear to anyone who read the EULAs.
If we want an actual "free speech platform" what you are asking for is Uncle Sam's Social Media Service™. Where the terms of service are the US Constitution. It sounds kind of cool, sort of, in theory. But how would it play out, practically? And how soon before it was compromised by ideologues?
Round and round we go, and end up right back at the conundrum: are people smart enough to chose their tech providers wisely? Will they follow the herd off of the cliff, or will they fight to support and create better, fairer services?
Love this whole last comment, by the way. This is how we should think. Glad to know others think the same! No disagreements with anything you said here. You should write for a living.
You can down vote me all you want. Facebook will still censor you no matter how many times you down vote me and they will continue to censor you into oblivion. We all know facebook started out as a military/darpa initiative called lifelog. We've all read the stories or maybe you haven't?
I have read this before, it doesn't make it's popularity any less. I'm taking the fight to them and I'm sharing this for anyone who is doing the same. If not, get your concern trolling out of here please.
I'm not concern trolling. You are using a "service" that records everything you do and sells your data to third parties. Why would you want to use a service that violates your privacy and sells your information to others without giving you a single penny. Usually when the service is free YOU are the product.
All those apps on your $1000 smart phone that you think you got for free.... you are the product.
No, we take the battle to them. I don't play that defeatist shit. Eventually they'll come for safe havens like thedonald.win too. Stop being so pussified and passive.
It's not defeatist shit. You're trying to control a company that you cannot control. They're going to increase the censorship while you continue to give them views, which translates into add revenue. That's like continuing to buy from Nike while denouncing their BLM support and expecting them to somehow change.
You want to truly defeat these left wing companies? Starve them of revenue as best as you can. There are competitors to Facebook, even conservative ones.
Repealing section 230 controls them properly and makes them choose whether they can edit things like this or not. They can't be a fact checking service and a social media service. What you are doing is defeatist especially when GEOTUS talks about section 230 during every rally this week.
You're expecting Section 230 to be repealed when that may or may not happen. And even then, they'll continue to do this shit until court rulings get handed down preventing them from doing it.
The NBA recently pulled this BLM and social justice bullshit on everyone and the fans responded by boycotting the games. They stopped watching. The NBA then shit its pants and quickly responded by announcing that it would drop all the social justice messaging next season.
Your plan is the exact opposite of what NBA fans did. Your plan is to essentially keep watching the NBA and then expect regulation (or deregulation, actually) to occur down the line forcing a private company to stop this.
The NBA isn't actively censoring messaging. This is false equivalency. T-Mobile was just caught censoring these stories in SMS. If you give them one inch, they will take a mile. Also, I don't watch the NBA anymore and fuck LeBron James and his BLM virtue signalling bullshit. He talks about systemic racism when there is literally millions of people enslaved and some of those people make his shoes. Don't try to tell me the correct way to think, I've clearly thought about this more than you. Don't stop fighting back, in every way.
Sure you have. That's why you're continuing to give views (and in turn, ad revenue) to a company that is actively censoring you, and expecting them to change. Then you're surprised when they don't, and come here and bitch about them censoring you.
Are you familiar with the colloquial definition of insanity?
No, but people can be woken up by it. My girlfriend was by this exact experiment I showed her. I'm spreading that same message that helped change her mind. Is that such a terrible idea?
Hint: actually read the terms of service next time. Facebook told you they reserve every right to do whatever they want with user submitted data. It’s right there in black and white.
No, we change our laws to serve us. Repeal section 230. We need to take back the internet. It can be used for some amazing things, we just need to make it work for us. There is an actual political argument going on in the lower courts on whether these sites can be considered something of a town square. You aren't allowed to stifle free speech at the actual square and you shouldn't be able to silence the person doing it on the online version.
The internet is just fine, look at the service you just used to post the comment.
The enemy is Facebook, Twitter et al, and the continued Stockholm Syndrome behavior from their user base, who clamors for just one more chance to reconcile, hoping that somehow, just somehow, suddenly the abuser will stop abusing, if only we try really really hard this time.
Just stop. The people behind these big tech services will never tolerate you or treat you fairly. You need to disassociate from them and build healthier communities elsewhere.
The only reason these evil services are considered town squares in the first place is exactly the problem I have mentioned: dumb consumers. Stop being a sheep. You’ll just be led to the edge of the next cliff a year from now once Uncle Sam uses the power of the government to “fix” the current crop of evil companies.
Nothing gets better till consumers pull their heads out of their rear ends and learn to make better choices of which services they support.
Let Facebook wither and die on the vine, in irrelevant silence.
I already use voat, Parker, Bitchute, thedonald.win, etc. You're telling me to go to places I already know exist. I was around for the inception of the_donald on reddit and was around during the final days. They will label wherever we go as an echo chamber. The fight must be taken to them every single time. At this point I believe liberalism is a mental disorder, not even joking. Don't embolden them anymore. Their outrage needs to be met by ours.
Just realize that by patronizing evil services, you give them power. The power they already told you they'd wield, in their terms of service. It is up to you to determine which services are just, and which are abusive.
The moment you all leave, their power disappears. Any other method of curtailing their power, especially government oversight, is problematic at best and probably a fools errand.
For fuck's sake, stop chatting through facebook. The only reason you were doing this in the first place is because it is slightly more convenient than other platforms. Is it still more convenient?
Tiny URL or Google translate will ~mask~ link sources
I know, my girlfriend and I were doing it as a test. I want people to see this because it is blatant censorship.
pastebin.com or self destruct messaging works too
We shouldn't have to be using anything to get around this. This should just be allowed to happen. Sharing happens naturally in human contact, except for during a "pandemic" like this one. They've turned off every way to communicate, now ask yourselves why someone would want to do that.
Because our representatives allowed every little incremental step along the way and gave the enemy the keys to the house. Patriot Act, NDAA, Sec 230, etc.
Our ship was the Titanic basically, the captain was a traitor and steered us for the iceberg. Trump staged a populist mutiny, but there are still traitors on board.
Judgment is coming. Precautions in the meantime.
Trump is fixing it all as he said he would. Thank God he got into office, seriously.
we know all that, we are guerrilla now homie use screenshots or space out url links, just share it
You say we know it, but there isn't another post identifying that this happening. Most of the people in here aren't aware of what's going on with section 230. Again, this was a test. I already sent a ton of messages at 4am this morning to a bunch of the liberal extremists in my local community. One person converted early this morning. Praise PEDE, glory be to GEOTUS.
the best is yet to come
yup, although its such a shit filter you can just add a few spaces in the link, well that worked for the links to the videos
If this tweet is deleted, the archive is here:
https://archive.is/8hvzJ
Thank you!
We had this problem with a forum that had blocked messages by keywords in PMs so that we could not provide a new forum's address we were migrating to. We just spaced the individual letters so we got around it. BTW, the owners of the site were revealed to be leftist.
Concerned about privacy/censorship while using Facebook?
Pay the toll.
No, don't accept censorship in any form. Repeal section 230 and make them own their censorship. The argument you give is wrong, period. It's similar to the "if you don't have anything to hide then why worry about the government invading your privacy" group. That attitude of yours is what got us into this position in the first place. I served ten years in the military, not to be told by some nerds in suits what to think and who I can share it with.
It isn’t censorship when the service provider told you in no uncertain terms within the very user agreement you agreed to, that they reserve the right to do whatever they want with user submitted data.
It is only censorship if you continue to be blind to the agreement you agreed to. Stop pretending you haven’t been warned about this for years.
Leave the service.
Read on section 230, without that law that we gave them, then it doesn't exist. It will be repealed soon and we can send the liberal extreme packing. Do not cede any ground.
230 wont matter. These companies can not be rehabilitated. There is no scenario where Uncle Sam moderates the service back to fairness that isn’t a worse cure than the problem.
The only reason these companies have power is dumb consumers who ignored all the warning signs and failed to understand the agreements they approved. Smart consumers steered clear of these services from their inception and have none of the problems being complained about now as a result.
The solution is simple: mass exodus from any service that abuses its user base. Only patronize services that treat the customer fairly. Stop giving power to the bad guys by blind allegiance.
This very website is proof of the power of the invisible hand.
We're not getting a mass exodus yet and there are plenty of good people still trapped in the matrix. I learned in the military to never leave a man behind and that's what I am still focused on now. I woke my girlfriend up this morning on all of this finally, so it is working whether you believe my method is or not.
Wake them all up pede, that much is worth the effort indeed.
But don't stick around in an abusive relationship with the false hope that the abuser will somehow become your friend. They will never be your friend because they hate you and your kind. Hatred is in their nature, and prevents them from ever tolerating you.
All services need some kind of moderation. Without any moderation, we end up with depraved, immoral, illegal content. The type of moderation matters. We all agree on this.
The mistake a great many people are making is to put their emotional attachment to the service ahead of principles. Sure, you have all your photos there and have sunk enormous amounts of time into the service. It is hard to leave. Sunk cost fallacy rearing its ugly head.
But the principles are all too real and present now. These services are amoral, and harmful. It is therefore your duty to do your due diligence and have no part of them. Do not support them.
If Uncle Sam wants to bust them up, fine them, regulate them, or any combination of that or more, that is OK with me I guess. I just see that as a mostly pointless exercise and have written more about why in older posts that I can share if you are truly curious.
But if we go in that direction, are we really asking for a government controlled service? Because let us be real: free speech only applies to your relationship with the government. It does not apply to your relationship with a private business. This is clear to anyone who read the EULAs.
If we want an actual "free speech platform" what you are asking for is Uncle Sam's Social Media Service™. Where the terms of service are the US Constitution. It sounds kind of cool, sort of, in theory. But how would it play out, practically? And how soon before it was compromised by ideologues?
Round and round we go, and end up right back at the conundrum: are people smart enough to chose their tech providers wisely? Will they follow the herd off of the cliff, or will they fight to support and create better, fairer services?
Love this whole last comment, by the way. This is how we should think. Glad to know others think the same! No disagreements with anything you said here. You should write for a living.
They did that to me two months ago
Why do you people keep using facebook. STOP USING IT.
I'm American and I'll use whatever service I please, how does that sound?
You can down vote me all you want. Facebook will still censor you no matter how many times you down vote me and they will continue to censor you into oblivion. We all know facebook started out as a military/darpa initiative called lifelog. We've all read the stories or maybe you haven't?
https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project/
I have read this before, it doesn't make it's popularity any less. I'm taking the fight to them and I'm sharing this for anyone who is doing the same. If not, get your concern trolling out of here please.
I'm not concern trolling. You are using a "service" that records everything you do and sells your data to third parties. Why would you want to use a service that violates your privacy and sells your information to others without giving you a single penny. Usually when the service is free YOU are the product.
All those apps on your $1000 smart phone that you think you got for free.... you are the product.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/most-android-flashlight-apps-request-an-absurd-number-of-permissions/
https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/consumer/android-flashlight-app-steals-data
If you want to be free you have to stop using services that enslave you.
Then don't complain when they censor you.
Bingo.
Get off Facebook.
No, we take the battle to them. I don't play that defeatist shit. Eventually they'll come for safe havens like thedonald.win too. Stop being so pussified and passive.
It's not defeatist shit. You're trying to control a company that you cannot control. They're going to increase the censorship while you continue to give them views, which translates into add revenue. That's like continuing to buy from Nike while denouncing their BLM support and expecting them to somehow change.
You want to truly defeat these left wing companies? Starve them of revenue as best as you can. There are competitors to Facebook, even conservative ones.
Repealing section 230 controls them properly and makes them choose whether they can edit things like this or not. They can't be a fact checking service and a social media service. What you are doing is defeatist especially when GEOTUS talks about section 230 during every rally this week.
You're expecting Section 230 to be repealed when that may or may not happen. And even then, they'll continue to do this shit until court rulings get handed down preventing them from doing it.
The NBA recently pulled this BLM and social justice bullshit on everyone and the fans responded by boycotting the games. They stopped watching. The NBA then shit its pants and quickly responded by announcing that it would drop all the social justice messaging next season.
Your plan is the exact opposite of what NBA fans did. Your plan is to essentially keep watching the NBA and then expect regulation (or deregulation, actually) to occur down the line forcing a private company to stop this.
The NBA fans had a better plan than you.
The NBA isn't actively censoring messaging. This is false equivalency. T-Mobile was just caught censoring these stories in SMS. If you give them one inch, they will take a mile. Also, I don't watch the NBA anymore and fuck LeBron James and his BLM virtue signalling bullshit. He talks about systemic racism when there is literally millions of people enslaved and some of those people make his shoes. Don't try to tell me the correct way to think, I've clearly thought about this more than you. Don't stop fighting back, in every way.
"I've clearly thought about this more than you."
Sure you have. That's why you're continuing to give views (and in turn, ad revenue) to a company that is actively censoring you, and expecting them to change. Then you're surprised when they don't, and come here and bitch about them censoring you.
Are you familiar with the colloquial definition of insanity?
No, but people can be woken up by it. My girlfriend was by this exact experiment I showed her. I'm spreading that same message that helped change her mind. Is that such a terrible idea?
In a heartbeat if 50% of my business did not come from there. It's a very real issue I am working on changing.
I can certainly understand if you are making money from them.
I'm in a band and need it for our band page as well. Maybe I should have stated that earlier.
That would have helped.
Either way, no hard feelings. I just fight differently than most. Thank you for even paying attention and having an opinion. You are a patriot.
No problem. Same to you.
This right here folks.
Hint: actually read the terms of service next time. Facebook told you they reserve every right to do whatever they want with user submitted data. It’s right there in black and white.
Stop giving your business to abusive companies.
No, we change our laws to serve us. Repeal section 230. We need to take back the internet. It can be used for some amazing things, we just need to make it work for us. There is an actual political argument going on in the lower courts on whether these sites can be considered something of a town square. You aren't allowed to stifle free speech at the actual square and you shouldn't be able to silence the person doing it on the online version.
The internet is just fine, look at the service you just used to post the comment.
The enemy is Facebook, Twitter et al, and the continued Stockholm Syndrome behavior from their user base, who clamors for just one more chance to reconcile, hoping that somehow, just somehow, suddenly the abuser will stop abusing, if only we try really really hard this time.
Just stop. The people behind these big tech services will never tolerate you or treat you fairly. You need to disassociate from them and build healthier communities elsewhere.
The only reason these evil services are considered town squares in the first place is exactly the problem I have mentioned: dumb consumers. Stop being a sheep. You’ll just be led to the edge of the next cliff a year from now once Uncle Sam uses the power of the government to “fix” the current crop of evil companies.
Nothing gets better till consumers pull their heads out of their rear ends and learn to make better choices of which services they support.
Let Facebook wither and die on the vine, in irrelevant silence.
I already use voat, Parker, Bitchute, thedonald.win, etc. You're telling me to go to places I already know exist. I was around for the inception of the_donald on reddit and was around during the final days. They will label wherever we go as an echo chamber. The fight must be taken to them every single time. At this point I believe liberalism is a mental disorder, not even joking. Don't embolden them anymore. Their outrage needs to be met by ours.
OK, that sounds pretty good to me.
Just realize that by patronizing evil services, you give them power. The power they already told you they'd wield, in their terms of service. It is up to you to determine which services are just, and which are abusive.
The moment you all leave, their power disappears. Any other method of curtailing their power, especially government oversight, is problematic at best and probably a fools errand.
Yep. This is why I no longer use it. I have the wrong think too.
For fuck's sake, stop chatting through facebook. The only reason you were doing this in the first place is because it is slightly more convenient than other platforms. Is it still more convenient?