I don't buy it. Gary Johnson pulled in record votes for the Libertarians in an unsure election. Many voters that lean conservative or have libertarian leanings voted for Johnson in an unsure election. I don't see how they don't vote for Trump with his record and that Johnson isn't on the ballot. That's why New Mexico will go for Trump this time around.
Also, this line from the article..."Joe Biden leads the president by 32 points among likely voters who supported “someone else” in 2016". Talk about pure fucking nonsense. They pulled that number out of their ass.
Edit: I'd like to add the things that Libertarians should be happy about with Trump.
And I wrote in McMullin and definitely voting Trump enthusiastically this time. I probably would've voted for Trump last time if the RNC hadn't pushed McCain through in 2008. I'll be bitter about that forever.
The LP this year is for protest voters that want to be holier than thou. Given Jo Jorgenson's feckless weakness on SJW crap like BLM and now tech censorship, the LP is useless.
Plus the libertarians have been pussies forever. You wont hear them running on abolishing welfare or affirmative, which have destroyed the free market and the republic. They'll run on legalizing heroine and CP because 'laws are lame, man.'
I was also a McMullin write-in voter, as a protest against who I thought Trump was compared to only six months in office and I took a close look at what he did / was doing.
Was thinking Trump was in it for himself, and he proved himself otherwise.
Gary Johnson had a shitty foreign policy position from what I recall. It was either a write in or just completely leaving that blank for me back then. Gotta keep in mind that I live in a deep blue shithole and I didn't know that the dims were going to use the popular vote difference as an excuse to try serious efforts to emasculate the Electoral College. It's a much different story these days thanks to those assholes. Trump needs popular vote desperately to squash those Constitution-hating assholes once and for all. (None of that is to imply that I'm not completely sold on Trump this time. Saw the light in early 2017.
They are pied piper candidates, and I don't get how anyone can fall for it. They know what they are doing, and they should be tried for treason and executed.
I don't buy it. I am a first time poster here, been lurking for about a month. Anyway, I am a "Big L" libertarian (hardcore) and I voting for Donald Trump. My wife is also voting for the first time and she can't wait to vote for Trump. I think most libertarians understand who the establishment candidate is and I can't imagine them voting for Biden.
Ah, the new so-called “libertarians.” I can speak for myself when I say that Ron Paul libertarians loathe these poser pieces of shit that have invaded the movement. They are literally not libertarians, assuming words still have meaning. Trump 2020.
Sounds like you are talking about people who say libertarian but really mean some form of Anarcho-whateverism. No one in their right mind believes our country can thrive as a Night Watchman State anymore, most libertarians mean some form of Constitutionalist. Someone who claims they are a libertarian because they want weed to be legal, but also vote for the party that wants to strip away all of your civil liberties are not libertarian. They are retarded.
Yes, exactly. That's exactly the problem, because libertarianism doesn't work when you have a party like the Communists who are trying to use the freedoms we have to destroy the country. Libertarianism has no defense against that: it's like a body without an immune system. It doesn't work as a policy and should be thrown in the trash.
Jorgenson's gun policy is literally wet dream level shit and Trump should adopt it verbatim, but you'd have to be pretty damn stupid to throw away your vote when the left is more evil than ever.
If were in a deep blue state, you might have said my vote doesn't count, may as well help the Libertarians. Some election rules require a party get a certain percentage of the vote to keep their status.
But this year, there is a greater realization that ever vote counts, even in deep blue areas, so Trump wins the Electoral College and the Job, but also the popular to shut up the "Not My President" talking point.
Joe wouldn't be Hiding' Biden if his presence could change the vote. Trump is on the road because it is where his energy comes from AND it helps down the ticket. We haven't seen our last Trump Rally because he'll be out there for the midterms in 2022.
I voted for Johnson because I legitimately thought he'd be better than Mitt "The RINO" Romney and I thought Barack Hussein Obama was a traitor who hated America. Still do too. I voted Trump in 2016 though, and I am ecstatic to do it again.
She won't do as well as Gary Johnson, but she'll pick up a lot of the lefties who can't stomach voting for Biden after their beloved socialist Bernie was kicked to the curb by the establishment.
Ick, I heard her interview on Rubin Report and she spews bullshit about "system racism". Its' funny because some of the points she was making that I liked were basically things Trump is already doing (i.e. cutting regulation, not being other countries' police, removing troops from overseas).
I heard about how there is the 56% saying their lives are better off than 4 years ago and then more than 50% saying Trump doesn't deserve a second term as well. Um, WTF???
There are people so brainwashed they think the economy was doing well because of lingering effects of Obama policies. These same people will justify the economy tanking under the next president as lingering effects of Trumps presidency.
The democrats claiming economic credit for things happening well outside of their terms, and ‘the great party switch’, are up there with the biggest loads of BS that anyone ever bought. You can point to key things Trump did that would bolster the economy, alongside the fact that he’s a successful business man so of course he’s going to be better on economic issues.
You can’t point to a single thing like that with Obama. Obamacare itself is one of the biggest taxes on the middle class in American history. At best you’d be claiming that illegal aliens pay more taxes despite trying to live off the grid and not having to, alongside the imaginary belief that somehow your workforce looking more like the Captain Planet crew will somehow increase GDP. Even black unemployment is lower under Trump.
“Experts say that it takes 8 years to see economic effects, which is why we said that it sucked under Bush, and sucked under Obama, but is great under Trump.” Then you look at the expert and it’s a vagina hat wearing leftist weirdo.
Would you all be clicking these links if you knew it was a Team Biden psyop? It's Cuties all over again. Outrage, curiosity, infection. It's literally a virus.
My theory is that Biden is a sacrificial lamb.. everything about their campaign screams that the DNC never wanted them to win. Picked the least likeable candidates that scored the worst with their core demos (youth and minorities).
I believe they're playing the long game. They realized they haven't perverted a critical mass of people yet, so they got Obama on the board of Netflix, tanked their value by releasing Cuties, and now are using the failed Biden campaign as a vessel to taint the public consciousness with evil perversion.
Even if it were 84%, that would probably be higher than a similar 2016 poll. Trump was an unknown quantity then. Now, he has the overwhelming support of the base.
Even Never Trumpers and RINOs are being insulted by left on a daily basis. Never Trumpers and RINOs have a deep fear of wealth taxes.
When you are middle class and your 2200 sq ft house is an uncomfortable 1 hr mass transit commute from Manhattan, Philly city center, the Loop, or Boston Harbor and costs $1.5 million, and there is $250k in 401k while staring at $400k in college costs for 2 kids, a wealth on that makes you realize how screwed you would be.
If MSM believed what they were saying, like even the slightest bit, we would be inundated with articles talking about the post-Trump world coming shortly.
They had only 76% of Republicans voting for Trump in the poll where Biden was ahead by 12 points. I actually do think there was some sort of coordinated pollster attack that week. Had it not been for Rasmussen giving only 76% of Republican support to Trump, I might have let it slide as a bad poll or an anomaly for a given day, but they should have corrected for that 76% number, that is ridiculous.
This is why trump has started mentioning CA/NY/IL in recent tweets...starting to pad the popular vote side. There’s absolutely no way he wins those states, but if he loses CA by 2 mil not 4 mil, then basically landslide.
Make the margin even more "thundering" by voting no matter what.
Treat your vote like a smug dab over the corpse of your shattered communist enemy, who is drifting off into the abyss after his long fall from a helicopter.
Trends among <X> group don't matter much because when you start breaking it down into stuff like that you're talking about tenths of a point and what matters in those cases is location.
Trump is losing suburban women!
Okay, but is he losing them in the suburbs of Philadelphia or in the suburbs of Tulsa?
Well, you gotta look at their strategy. They’re still fighting for WI, PA, and MI but they’ve gone full assault on TX, FL and the south. They have all those CA/NY transplants and since 2016 we have the largest swarm ever of anchor babies to become voter age.
I saw an ad on TV for John Cornyn’s opponent the other day here in Texas. I was like - Jesus what are you guys smoking...that seems borderline irresponsible unless they are just trying to gin up local votes.
I think this fourm here vastly underestimated the amount of registered millennial lefties that would normally never vote or they had to show up to a poll and stand in line. They’re trying to get the last push to drop off ballots or mail them in.
I'm guessing because Trump won by just a small amount in 3 states that a little more fraud in those 3 states plus all the other ones they got in 2016 pushes them to victory.
Vote by fraud is going to be a disaster. States like NC that Trump won in 2016 could go to Biden due to overwhelming support via mail in ballots.
I think Biden's campaign appearances possibly hurt his campaign more than they help. The more people see Biden, the more he looks feeble. But also, not very many crowds appear so he looks bad in comparison to Trump. They think they have a lead and are hoping to run out the clock.
I doubt there will be more than a handful of TDW users who will somehow or for some reason not vote. Instead of telling pedes to vote, I tell pedes to think of that one person whom they’re unsure is going to go vote. Call that one person who “doesn’t care much about politics.”
It’s over already if it is this close. Biden needs about a 3-5% lead over trump nationally at the very least to have any shot at an electoral college victory.
If the poll is accurate, which Rasmussen was right last time, then yes. Trump doesn't need the popular vote to win, which happened last time. If he wins the popular vote this time, that means he is winning even more states and it will be a big landslide.
I give political polls in 2020 about the same weight as I'd give a Twitter poll. We know they've historically been manipulated to get the desired narrative, but even if they were honest and really wanted the truth I do not believe they have any reasonably reliable method of getting it.
I think your falling for the fake news about Trump not having money. Its not True. As trump said he could get millions from rich investors if he felt he needed it.
Their ground game is massive. Ive checked every poll and honestly i think its looking good for Trump.
Everything im seeing shows Trump winning the election.
Im worrief about the senate but hope the trump enthusiam carries the senators over the line
Polls reported by the media reports are not to inform.
They are to keep their audience glued to the tube, watching ads and clicking links. Informed? Look at his they string out the weather report on the local evening news. Look at now the national news teases a breaking story on the hour then doesn't cover it until 80% of the show is over.
Campaign internal polliing isn't made public except for tactical purposes.
Biden is Hidin' because their internal polling suggests he can't move the needle. Otherwise he'd be on the road.
There was the 3rd debate OIl question, the "Joe, you have to talk them into it" moment for Trump, and Joe's fiasco in Pennsylvania the day after. They got new polling results after that and pulled the lid.
Biden may have quit, but the Democratic party hasn't, so the internal polls will probably stay internal until someone does a post-election story on "How Trump Won Again."
Trump gets energy from rallies I don't think he'd stop, ever, if he didn't have a country to run.
The polls that you see are bullshit. The polls commissioned by campaigns are not, or at least they weren't until the past couple of years.
If you collect enough samples, you can make a reasonable prediction, within the margin of error. But, the Presidential election poses a significant challenge: it's 51 separate elections, rather than a single one. Pollsters try to compensate by proportionally dividing their polling among the various states either by population or electoral votes. But a poll of only 1,500 people results in a very small sample in some states, and if a candidate overperforms in a large state like NY or CA, it throws the whole thing off.
The biggest problem this year is the "shy voter". Given the public consequences for supporting Trump, many voters are refusing to answer truthfully because they don't know who is actually conducting the poll. Some pollsters are attempting to compensate, after finding that an automated poll (talking to a recording) yields different results than a live person.
One pollster has noticed that they get different answers by asking questions like: "do you know someone who is voting for Trump?" and "who do you think will win the election?" Even in the face of contrary "push polls", they consistently find a significant majority believe Trump will win. That particular pollster was one of the few that called Trump's 2016 victory.
How can Biden even be close when the enthusiasm gap favors Trump by at least a factor of 10x? Trump made an unscheduled stop in Maine yesterday and thousands showed up to see him, and there are more Trump supporters than Biden supporters at a Biden "rally".
The fact they're even saying it's close means they're pushing an agenda.
This is how I knew he'd win 2016. The enthusiasm is just off the charts for Trump - not so for Hillary or now Biden. Without that enthusiasm, people will find a way to not vote (lines are too long, etc.). Trump voters on the other hand ARE going to the polls, as we're seeing with the massive gains in early voting for the president.
Normally, I’d agree. But that’s why they invented mass vote by mail. Now, the voting period is weeks long. Enthusiasm no longer matters, if Facebook and Twitter and Google mass remind you to vote every single day. Eventually, these losers will work up they courage, after being assaulted, to send their free ballot in via mail.
Really hope Trump wins North Carolina against all odds all by himself and with zero help from the useless state Republican Party in North Carolina which had completely betrayed him and abandoned him.
He should. There is no enthusiasm for Biden. I see some support for Biden in Wake County. But most of the state is for Trump. Black and Hispanic working class are for Trump. The liberal elite wannabes and illiterates they want validation from are all they have.
Was on a group call after Asheville passed some measure regarding beginning something along the lines of reparations, and they were practically cheering it. Was honestly terrible to see live and from family/friends.
The numbers are misleading there. A 10% VBM advantage this year could mean many more votes than 18% 4 years ago. There will also be less voting in person so the gap is harder to make up
That 10% number includes VBM, absentee and early in person voting.....
There will be less Dems voting in person. Won’t be much of a drop for GOP. GOP voters do not trust vote by mail and are not that afraid of COVID.
Plus, NC GOP always votes on Election Day mostly. Go look through NC early vote history. GOP always looks like shit there in the Early vote.
Of course, I could be wrong. I’m just looking at the data and saying what I think will happen. Everyone’s has to vote like it’s their last election ever!
Where do you get this data? I've seen it for states here and there, but I have nowhere to look if I want to see all the individual states, on one site.
Poll says Trump gets only 84% of the Republican vote. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say at least half of the remaining 16% are lying to the pollsters.
Nah, there are some RINOs out there that for some reason unknown to a rational person that are voting for Biden because Trump isn't "presidential". They are the same people gunning for low energy Jeb! in 2016.
*Spez: Just saw you said half of the remaining. Could definitely be true on that, but I will always count in some RINOs that want to go back to the days where the Republicans were the Loveable Losers.
On this issue, 2016 maybe. Trump has been Trump for 47 months and people have gotten used to it. "I don't like him on twitter so I'm going to vote for the guy who will jack my income taxes to 62%" happened never.
They may bitch about Trump's very direct style, but most will vote their wallets.
voting for Biden because Trump isn't "presidential"
I sincerely doubt that sentiment's anywhere near as prevalent as 2016. I mean, he's literally been the president, there's not much to imagine anymore. And a lot prominent never Trump conservatives are voting Trump this time around. Shit like the Lincoln Project is just last-minute smoke and mirrors.
I've shared that graph with a few lefties this last week on fuckbook who said the election is already over, Biden won
... They didn't like the reminder.
LMAO and the live stream of the Young Turks watching that needle slowly make it's way from Hillary to MAGA was possibly the greatest slow motion train wreck ever captured on camera.
So many people had already voted before last week. I hope that didn't (potentially) provide Biden with enough of a cushion if some of those people regret their choice.
I like CNNs "polls of polls" in which they say they call 500 people by phone! Lolll. As if 500 ppl is a good sample size for hundreds of millions of a populace and plus no one can say they they are voting for trump without a rock thrown at their window
Similar to AP-NORC polls of "Americans". Once you dive deep into the methodology, which they keep hidden in the footnotes of multiple PDF files, you discover that many of those polled are "students". They don't define "students" either, so they could be of any age and possibly from other countries here on a student visa.
Dems called me asking to commit to vote for Joe. I just plainly stated that I did not commit and I already voted. But they acted like that meant I voted for Joe lmao
Yeah, it hurts to say but I literally like humanity less than before because of how many people have been manipulated into believing the dems are the right choice now.
I know that Rasmussen has been relatively reliable in predicting previous elections, and I used to trust them compared to the MSM polls. However, Rasmussen's polls lately have been just as schizophrenic and unbelievable as the MSM polls that I have zero trust in them anymore. How the hell can Biden be leading by double digits one week and then Trump leading by 1 point the next week. It makes NO sense. Also, in this most recent poll, Trump has only 84 percent of the Republican vote and Biden has an even smaller share of the Democratic vote at 77 percent. Yet, somehow Biden leads with independents by 7 points. There is absolutely no sense it that at all.
Bottom line, i don't believe that there are any polls in this day and age (regardless of whether they show Trump ahead or behind) that are anywhere near accurate. The only poll that matters is November 3.
If you’re referring to Ras’ daily polls, as many mistakenly do, daily polls often vary 1-3 points, hence their margin of error. That’s normal. What a normal poll will do is exactly what Ras daily does, except instead of averaging three days worth of results they post daily.
These polls are absolute crap. There is no way Biden is FDR after WW2 or is Nixon vs McGovern. And there is now way Biden is Reagan vs Carter, Carter was so unliked it wasnt funny. You wouldnt see anybody with Trump stickers or going to rallies. There wouldnt be a TheDonald for those numbers. Remember when they all praise Carter, Carter was one term fluke that almost got beat by Ford but because of Nixon lost. They don't tell you that.
This poll is skewed. It doesn’t include the 25% of Trump most definitely voters that are showing up on Election Day and saying fuck you media, duck you Biden, fuck your Covid and BLM and everything else you stand for.
Vote people I feel this is going to be the second most important day in the history of this great nation.
After that buckle up the deep state is coming, but under no circumstances will we let this coup succeed We are Americans!!!! Free and Brave!
Fuck Joe Biden and Fuck Harris.
Total bullshit. You have to have a "platinum" membership in order to see their methodology. Guarantee they sampled democrats way more than republicans or independents.
This might be to scare dems into making sure they vote since they are admitting how close it is now. Either that or it really will be a huge landslide for us
God what a fucking joke. We've been saying since July to ignore the polls because whatever "lead" Joe has is fake. they will tighten to neck and neck the week before the election. This blatant manipulation should be illegal.
They lost all credibility in 2016 and people are still hanging on their every data point, I believe nothing from any pollster regardless of positive or negative
Look man, my mental fil- my physical as well as my mental fil-fitness is unquestionable. We can’t rebuild our economy and meet this crimate clisis. We exacerbate the need to exotic medical environmental justice, ok? So we need to work again with Canada and Mexico as neighbors not as advertaries. Donald Trump does pose an excellent to this, the – its not a hypothetical. What makes his wild claims and hopes, he now hopes we don’t notice what he said or what remember. And when he does follow through, or doesn’t, do, when follow through, the exact opposite. So what? Cause if you could take care, if you were a cornpop, you can sure in hell take care running an uh, department store, thing, uh, you know, second floor in the ladies department - 1.2 billion, so you go ahead and stack spaghetti sauce at a store at a supermarket and you control the guy or woman who brings out the carts on a forklift. What happened?
I've been saying this and keep getting shot down with stupid, " then they'll know how much to steal ! " bullshit. They'll know anyway if they are going to try that ! Everyone needs to vote early in my opinion, because I'm worried about a " 2020 grand finale " on election day designed to keep people who were going to vote in person home. An attack, some huge news event. Something is going to happen I fear. Just a feeling
Is this the same poll that had Joe + 12 2 weeks ago? I know they were both Rasmussen, but they have a plethora of polls.
iirc Rasmussen is on of the last few to do a Daily poll.
They also nailed the Scott Brown race, which eventually Warren would oust.
I don’t understand how Trump could have 53% in Rasmussen and not have a majority vote. I’m guessing Jorgensen is polling well?
What Morning Consult is claiming, "Most Voters Who Went Third Party in 2016 Are Backing Biden Over Trump This Year"
I don't buy it. Gary Johnson pulled in record votes for the Libertarians in an unsure election. Many voters that lean conservative or have libertarian leanings voted for Johnson in an unsure election. I don't see how they don't vote for Trump with his record and that Johnson isn't on the ballot. That's why New Mexico will go for Trump this time around.
Also, this line from the article..."Joe Biden leads the president by 32 points among likely voters who supported “someone else” in 2016". Talk about pure fucking nonsense. They pulled that number out of their ass.
Edit: I'd like to add the things that Libertarians should be happy about with Trump.
And I wrote in McMullin and definitely voting Trump enthusiastically this time. I probably would've voted for Trump last time if the RNC hadn't pushed McCain through in 2008. I'll be bitter about that forever.
You just described my thought process to a T.
The LP this year is for protest voters that want to be holier than thou. Given Jo Jorgenson's feckless weakness on SJW crap like BLM and now tech censorship, the LP is useless.
Plus the libertarians have been pussies forever. You wont hear them running on abolishing welfare or affirmative, which have destroyed the free market and the republic. They'll run on legalizing heroine and CP because 'laws are lame, man.'
Can confirm.
Voted Libertarian 2016. Trump has won me over. Trump 2020.
What's Aleppo?
You should probably keep that McMuffin vote to yourself bro.
I'm a sis. LOL.
Lmao that was my exact reaction. The guy got votes so some people voted for him. Just wow.
Fuck yeah I admit it! LOL.
Wow. An actual Mcmuffin voter? Lol what were u thinking? Glad to have you on board fren
I was also a McMullin write-in voter, as a protest against who I thought Trump was compared to only six months in office and I took a close look at what he did / was doing.
Was thinking Trump was in it for himself, and he proved himself otherwise.
Gary Johnson had a shitty foreign policy position from what I recall. It was either a write in or just completely leaving that blank for me back then. Gotta keep in mind that I live in a deep blue shithole and I didn't know that the dims were going to use the popular vote difference as an excuse to try serious efforts to emasculate the Electoral College. It's a much different story these days thanks to those assholes. Trump needs popular vote desperately to squash those Constitution-hating assholes once and for all. (None of that is to imply that I'm not completely sold on Trump this time. Saw the light in early 2017.
eww
Gary Johnson isn't even close to a textbook libertarian and now they trot out BLM-loving Jorgensen? What a clown ass party.
They are pied piper candidates, and I don't get how anyone can fall for it. They know what they are doing, and they should be tried for treason and executed.
Same
+1
Same.
Ditto
I don't buy it. I am a first time poster here, been lurking for about a month. Anyway, I am a "Big L" libertarian (hardcore) and I voting for Donald Trump. My wife is also voting for the first time and she can't wait to vote for Trump. I think most libertarians understand who the establishment candidate is and I can't imagine them voting for Biden.
Most Libertarians I know are idiots who aren't voting Trump cause all they care about is smoking weed while having an abortion and shooting a gun.
Fucking wack really, Rothbard is rolling in his grave.
Here in California it's a somewhat pathetic attempt to separate yourself from the Democrats without being a Nzi.
I did it for years. Now I have a big Trump flag in my driveway.
Brave and beautiful
Based
This is exactly right. You'll get beat up if you say you're for Trump, but not if you say you're a libertarian
Ah, the new so-called “libertarians.” I can speak for myself when I say that Ron Paul libertarians loathe these poser pieces of shit that have invaded the movement. They are literally not libertarians, assuming words still have meaning. Trump 2020.
The movement is intact. The Party is trashed. Has been for awhile.
Sounds like you are talking about people who say libertarian but really mean some form of Anarcho-whateverism. No one in their right mind believes our country can thrive as a Night Watchman State anymore, most libertarians mean some form of Constitutionalist. Someone who claims they are a libertarian because they want weed to be legal, but also vote for the party that wants to strip away all of your civil liberties are not libertarian. They are retarded.
Yes, exactly. That's exactly the problem, because libertarianism doesn't work when you have a party like the Communists who are trying to use the freedoms we have to destroy the country. Libertarianism has no defense against that: it's like a body without an immune system. It doesn't work as a policy and should be thrown in the trash.
Jorgenson's gun policy is literally wet dream level shit and Trump should adopt it verbatim, but you'd have to be pretty damn stupid to throw away your vote when the left is more evil than ever.
Plus she supports Black Lives Matter.
If were in a deep blue state, you might have said my vote doesn't count, may as well help the Libertarians. Some election rules require a party get a certain percentage of the vote to keep their status.
But this year, there is a greater realization that ever vote counts, even in deep blue areas, so Trump wins the Electoral College and the Job, but also the popular to shut up the "Not My President" talking point.
Joe wouldn't be Hiding' Biden if his presence could change the vote. Trump is on the road because it is where his energy comes from AND it helps down the ticket. We haven't seen our last Trump Rally because he'll be out there for the midterms in 2022.
Yep. That's why every conservative here in CA needs to vote for Trump. Get off your ass and vote!
Registered Libertarian, I voted for Johnson in 2016. Already turned in my ballot for Trump.
I voted for Johnson because I legitimately thought he'd be better than Mitt "The RINO" Romney and I thought Barack Hussein Obama was a traitor who hated America. Still do too. I voted Trump in 2016 though, and I am ecstatic to do it again.
Same here. I saw how big a POS Romney was back then and it's only been proven out. So glad I didn't vote for that guy in 2012.
That was me in 2016
Jorgensen is hated by the majority of Libertarians due to her embracing critical race theory and supporting BLM.
She is not gonna do well
She won't do as well as Gary Johnson, but she'll pick up a lot of the lefties who can't stomach voting for Biden after their beloved socialist Bernie was kicked to the curb by the establishment.
Ick, I heard her interview on Rubin Report and she spews bullshit about "system racism". Its' funny because some of the points she was making that I liked were basically things Trump is already doing (i.e. cutting regulation, not being other countries' police, removing troops from overseas).
Imagine being so cucked that your approve of the job Trump is doing but you don't vote for him
I jUsT dOnT lIke hIs pErSonAliTy
He’S sO hATeFUL ANd nEeDs tO StOp TWitTer
CaN hE deNOuNce WhiTE SUpReaMacY FOr thE 50tH TiMe PLeaSE?!?!
I heard about how there is the 56% saying their lives are better off than 4 years ago and then more than 50% saying Trump doesn't deserve a second term as well. Um, WTF???
There are people so brainwashed they think the economy was doing well because of lingering effects of Obama policies. These same people will justify the economy tanking under the next president as lingering effects of Trumps presidency.
The democrats claiming economic credit for things happening well outside of their terms, and ‘the great party switch’, are up there with the biggest loads of BS that anyone ever bought. You can point to key things Trump did that would bolster the economy, alongside the fact that he’s a successful business man so of course he’s going to be better on economic issues.
You can’t point to a single thing like that with Obama. Obamacare itself is one of the biggest taxes on the middle class in American history. At best you’d be claiming that illegal aliens pay more taxes despite trying to live off the grid and not having to, alongside the imaginary belief that somehow your workforce looking more like the Captain Planet crew will somehow increase GDP. Even black unemployment is lower under Trump.
“Experts say that it takes 8 years to see economic effects, which is why we said that it sucked under Bush, and sucked under Obama, but is great under Trump.” Then you look at the expert and it’s a vagina hat wearing leftist weirdo.
I can imagine it in theory. You can think someone's doing a good job but think someone else could be even better.
I can't actually comprehend that anyone could think Joe Fucking Biden is that guy, but the concept is sound.
She's not.
Jorgensen lost lots of Ls when she got woke.
And the Dems would ignore The Brown win, change the Senate rules, then jam through Obamacare.
TO BE FAIR, I'D RATHER LOOK AT ANY POLL THAN HUNTER'S POLE AGAIN.
I will never unsee what I saw when I clicked on one of those links.
Would you all be clicking these links if you knew it was a Team Biden psyop? It's Cuties all over again. Outrage, curiosity, infection. It's literally a virus.
What the hell are you talking about?
My theory is that Biden is a sacrificial lamb.. everything about their campaign screams that the DNC never wanted them to win. Picked the least likeable candidates that scored the worst with their core demos (youth and minorities).
I believe they're playing the long game. They realized they haven't perverted a critical mass of people yet, so they got Obama on the board of Netflix, tanked their value by releasing Cuties, and now are using the failed Biden campaign as a vessel to taint the public consciousness with evil perversion.
So the plan is to win by losing?
Sounds... complicated.
Passing out M&Ms for Halloween?
No one talks about the HD vag, they only talk about the blurred out weiner. :(
Yeah not going to lie, that was a fine looking view.
My daughter asked for some M&M's yesterday and I just paused a moment and said..."No..just..No"
Don't trust the polls and don't "trust the pnuss"
Came here to say this. the 84% number is pure crap.
Even if it were 84%, that would probably be higher than a similar 2016 poll. Trump was an unknown quantity then. Now, he has the overwhelming support of the base.
Last time POTUS mentioned that he has 96% approval in the R party.
Even Never Trumpers and RINOs are being insulted by left on a daily basis. Never Trumpers and RINOs have a deep fear of wealth taxes.
When you are middle class and your 2200 sq ft house is an uncomfortable 1 hr mass transit commute from Manhattan, Philly city center, the Loop, or Boston Harbor and costs $1.5 million, and there is $250k in 401k while staring at $400k in college costs for 2 kids, a wealth on that makes you realize how screwed you would be.
If trump is desperate, why is he starting to tweet specifically towards three unwinnable states (CA/NY/IL)?
Dude is in position for an epic landslide, both electoral and popular.
I think calling out those three states is just politicking. GW Bush claimed he was going to win CA in his campaign events.
My point being, focus on the vital states: FL, NC, PA, MI, AZ.
Wisconsin too, that's the tipping point state this cycle
My guess is Trump wins the popular vote by between 2 and 4 points. That will equate to a landslide in the electoral.
I love reading those politico articles for the lolz....they so desperately want to believe in a Biden landslide.
Imagine simping for Biden. My lord
Morals.
If MSM believed what they were saying, like even the slightest bit, we would be inundated with articles talking about the post-Trump world coming shortly.
None of them want to be laughed at next week.
Yeah. I can't believe Rasmussen published that. I would have scrapped it because it was obviously way way off.
Biden ain't no FDR after WW2.
They had only 76% of Republicans voting for Trump in the poll where Biden was ahead by 12 points. I actually do think there was some sort of coordinated pollster attack that week. Had it not been for Rasmussen giving only 76% of Republican support to Trump, I might have let it slide as a bad poll or an anomaly for a given day, but they should have corrected for that 76% number, that is ridiculous.
He’s not. My whole family are Democrats and voting for Trump. They are going to get a big fucking surprise on Election Day.
Half did but everyone is this time around. No one wants Creepy Joe 2020
TDS
Dems always march in lockstep. There's no critical thinking just the party line.
It raises two questions: will every eligible dem vote? If so, will they really pull the lever for Biden?
VOTE! They’re trying to make us complacent
Even if Trump is up 20% in my state, nothing would stop me
A hurricane with tornadoes and lightning and hail wouldn’t stop me from voting for Trump. Literally nothing will stop me.
To be fair, even death doesn't stop democrats from voting.
It's not enough that we win. We need a massive landslide to prevent the Demonrats from undermining Trump's second term, popular vote and all.
Absolutely correct. We not only need to win, we need to demoralIze and cripple their way of thinking, and prove they are vastly outnumbered
This is why trump has started mentioning CA/NY/IL in recent tweets...starting to pad the popular vote side. There’s absolutely no way he wins those states, but if he loses CA by 2 mil not 4 mil, then basically landslide.
President Trump mentioning CA also helps draw attention to the many rallies in former democrat CA strongholds, for example Beverley Hills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJqGlwyLbk0&t=5m47s
Make the margin even more "thundering" by voting no matter what.
Treat your vote like a smug dab over the corpse of your shattered communist enemy, who is drifting off into the abyss after his long fall from a helicopter.
Yep, nothing left to do now but to do it.
Get out and vote for the big man.
Why even trust any polls?
Can't even trust trends. Polls align closer to reality as we get closer to the election to save pollster and msm credibility.
can't save something that doesn't exist any more
Idk man, all the normies I know are just as gullible as 2016
"Yay Drump is going to lose in a landslide!"
They align closer to reality to make sure candidates keep spending money on advertising.
Trends among <X> group don't matter much because when you start breaking it down into stuff like that you're talking about tenths of a point and what matters in those cases is location.
Okay, but is he losing them in the suburbs of Philadelphia or in the suburbs of Tulsa?
One of those matters, the other doesn't.
Gotta make sure trump keeps spending.
I have never received a single call from a pollster.
I agree, which is why averages are stupid. It should all be about trends.
How can a candidate that doesn't even campaign win an election from his basement? When Trump is pulling crowds that haven't been seen since Reagan?
It's the same fucking thing as 2016. Trump campaigned hard in the rust belt and won. Hillary completely ignored the rust belt and lost it.
Well, you gotta look at their strategy. They’re still fighting for WI, PA, and MI but they’ve gone full assault on TX, FL and the south. They have all those CA/NY transplants and since 2016 we have the largest swarm ever of anchor babies to become voter age.
I saw an ad on TV for John Cornyn’s opponent the other day here in Texas. I was like - Jesus what are you guys smoking...that seems borderline irresponsible unless they are just trying to gin up local votes.
I think this fourm here vastly underestimated the amount of registered millennial lefties that would normally never vote or they had to show up to a poll and stand in line. They’re trying to get the last push to drop off ballots or mail them in.
I'm guessing because Trump won by just a small amount in 3 states that a little more fraud in those 3 states plus all the other ones they got in 2016 pushes them to victory.
Vote by fraud is going to be a disaster. States like NC that Trump won in 2016 could go to Biden due to overwhelming support via mail in ballots.
I think Biden's campaign appearances possibly hurt his campaign more than they help. The more people see Biden, the more he looks feeble. But also, not very many crowds appear so he looks bad in comparison to Trump. They think they have a lead and are hoping to run out the clock.
If Trump is ahead nationally it's over.
It's not over until you vote, pede!
VOTE!!!
I doubt there will be more than a handful of TDW users who will somehow or for some reason not vote. Instead of telling pedes to vote, I tell pedes to think of that one person whom they’re unsure is going to go vote. Call that one person who “doesn’t care much about politics.”
Get THAT person to go vote.
It’s over already if it is this close. Biden needs about a 3-5% lead over trump nationally at the very least to have any shot at an electoral college victory.
That being said everyone needs to vote!
America! Fuck yeah!
If the poll is accurate, which Rasmussen was right last time, then yes. Trump doesn't need the popular vote to win, which happened last time. If he wins the popular vote this time, that means he is winning even more states and it will be a big landslide.
He will, and it will be, but everyone still needs to go and vote!
No that's not how the compact worjs
Even if that compact was in effect this year (it's not) they would find a loophole to not give him the votes.
Interstate compacts are explicitly unconstitutional.
Pffft, when did the dems ever care about the constitution?
Not over until you vote
I already voted.
I give political polls in 2020 about the same weight as I'd give a Twitter poll. We know they've historically been manipulated to get the desired narrative, but even if they were honest and really wanted the truth I do not believe they have any reasonably reliable method of getting it.
Why do you think the gop are acting like their right?
Any poll ive seen in swing states have oversampled dems by 5 to 7%.
The numbers at trump rallies of first time voters and registered dems is massive.
The republicans are way closer than 2016 in early voting that should heavily favor dems.
Every law enforcement officer will vote trump. Hes got every republican.
Trump campaign contacted 156 million people i expect he gets like 72 million votes.
I think your falling for the fake news about Trump not having money. Its not True. As trump said he could get millions from rich investors if he felt he needed it.
Their ground game is massive. Ive checked every poll and honestly i think its looking good for Trump.
Everything im seeing shows Trump winning the election.
Im worrief about the senate but hope the trump enthusiam carries the senators over the line
Im not saying the dems dont have more money. Im saying the trump campaign have more than what they need. Hilary outspent them too.
They have a strat that they are sure will work
Polls reported by the media reports are not to inform.
They are to keep their audience glued to the tube, watching ads and clicking links. Informed? Look at his they string out the weather report on the local evening news. Look at now the national news teases a breaking story on the hour then doesn't cover it until 80% of the show is over.
Campaign internal polliing isn't made public except for tactical purposes.
Biden is Hidin' because their internal polling suggests he can't move the needle. Otherwise he'd be on the road.
There was the 3rd debate OIl question, the "Joe, you have to talk them into it" moment for Trump, and Joe's fiasco in Pennsylvania the day after. They got new polling results after that and pulled the lid.
Did that happen in 2016? No. Just because hes not showing internal polls does not mean hes losing.
Also i went back and checked the 2016 polls trump was down way more in 2016 polls than he is now.
Biden may have quit, but the Democratic party hasn't, so the internal polls will probably stay internal until someone does a post-election story on "How Trump Won Again."
Trump gets energy from rallies I don't think he'd stop, ever, if he didn't have a country to run.
Also, the slow drip of news by Giuliani kept the msm from spinning the story.
The polls that you see are bullshit. The polls commissioned by campaigns are not, or at least they weren't until the past couple of years.
If you collect enough samples, you can make a reasonable prediction, within the margin of error. But, the Presidential election poses a significant challenge: it's 51 separate elections, rather than a single one. Pollsters try to compensate by proportionally dividing their polling among the various states either by population or electoral votes. But a poll of only 1,500 people results in a very small sample in some states, and if a candidate overperforms in a large state like NY or CA, it throws the whole thing off.
The biggest problem this year is the "shy voter". Given the public consequences for supporting Trump, many voters are refusing to answer truthfully because they don't know who is actually conducting the poll. Some pollsters are attempting to compensate, after finding that an automated poll (talking to a recording) yields different results than a live person.
One pollster has noticed that they get different answers by asking questions like: "do you know someone who is voting for Trump?" and "who do you think will win the election?" Even in the face of contrary "push polls", they consistently find a significant majority believe Trump will win. That particular pollster was one of the few that called Trump's 2016 victory.
Even the editor to the Daily Beast is saying that lol
Polls aren't intended to inform people, they are intended to influence people.
Absolutely, I've been saying this for years.
How can Biden even be close when the enthusiasm gap favors Trump by at least a factor of 10x? Trump made an unscheduled stop in Maine yesterday and thousands showed up to see him, and there are more Trump supporters than Biden supporters at a Biden "rally".
The fact they're even saying it's close means they're pushing an agenda.
This is how I knew he'd win 2016. The enthusiasm is just off the charts for Trump - not so for Hillary or now Biden. Without that enthusiasm, people will find a way to not vote (lines are too long, etc.). Trump voters on the other hand ARE going to the polls, as we're seeing with the massive gains in early voting for the president.
100% this.
There cannot be a win without enthusiasm.
Never underestimate the power of cheating when you know the press will turn a blind eye.
Normally, I’d agree. But that’s why they invented mass vote by mail. Now, the voting period is weeks long. Enthusiasm no longer matters, if Facebook and Twitter and Google mass remind you to vote every single day. Eventually, these losers will work up they courage, after being assaulted, to send their free ballot in via mail.
Enthusiasm gap is covered by broadcasting mail-in ballots. :(
And influence campaign spending.
There is no advantage of a campaign saying they’re losing. It scares away donors and keeps people from voting.
Really hope Trump wins North Carolina against all odds all by himself and with zero help from the useless state Republican Party in North Carolina which had completely betrayed him and abandoned him.
He should. There is no enthusiasm for Biden. I see some support for Biden in Wake County. But most of the state is for Trump. Black and Hispanic working class are for Trump. The liberal elite wannabes and illiterates they want validation from are all they have.
I got some relatives around Ashville, NC. They are very very liberal. I'm sorry.
That’s Asheville though. Liberal town overrun by hipsters and bums. A lot of NC are based.
Was on a group call after Asheville passed some measure regarding beginning something along the lines of reparations, and they were practically cheering it. Was honestly terrible to see live and from family/friends.
He will. Hillary had a 16% early vote advantage over Trump before Election Day in North Carolina and trump won by 3.8 points.
Biden only has a 10% early vote lead right now and that is with VBM inflation.
The numbers are misleading there. A 10% VBM advantage this year could mean many more votes than 18% 4 years ago. There will also be less voting in person so the gap is harder to make up
That 10% number includes VBM, absentee and early in person voting.....
There will be less Dems voting in person. Won’t be much of a drop for GOP. GOP voters do not trust vote by mail and are not that afraid of COVID.
Plus, NC GOP always votes on Election Day mostly. Go look through NC early vote history. GOP always looks like shit there in the Early vote.
Of course, I could be wrong. I’m just looking at the data and saying what I think will happen. Everyone’s has to vote like it’s their last election ever!
Hmm first ive seen this data. Thx
Where do you get this data? I've seen it for states here and there, but I have nowhere to look if I want to see all the individual states, on one site.
Pretty sure my small Yadkin county is 98 perc Trump votes. Nothing but trump signs, on every yard, everywhere you go.
I wish I lived in a based neighborhood like that instead of cuckifornia
I hope he wins every state just to make the salt flow, lol
They were. Final poll from them was hill dawg up 2 and the popular vote turned out to be hill dawg +2.1
And trafalgar was most accurate in 2018. Both lying dirty fascist pollsters obviously.
I thought Trafalgar was the most accurate?
Poll says Trump gets only 84% of the Republican vote. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say at least half of the remaining 16% are lying to the pollsters.
Nah, there are some RINOs out there that for some reason unknown to a rational person that are voting for Biden because Trump isn't "presidential". They are the same people gunning for low energy Jeb! in 2016.
*Spez: Just saw you said half of the remaining. Could definitely be true on that, but I will always count in some RINOs that want to go back to the days where the Republicans were the Loveable Losers.
On this issue, 2016 maybe. Trump has been Trump for 47 months and people have gotten used to it. "I don't like him on twitter so I'm going to vote for the guy who will jack my income taxes to 62%" happened never.
They may bitch about Trump's very direct style, but most will vote their wallets.
Most people are idiots and don't know a thing about Biden's policy. They vote on demeanor
I don’t see Trump making registered R’s run towards Biden. People who voted for Trump in 2016 are voting for him again.
Why do people romanticize a polished personality taking that space when just about everybody has a blight in their lives?
I sincerely doubt that sentiment's anywhere near as prevalent as 2016. I mean, he's literally been the president, there's not much to imagine anymore. And a lot prominent never Trump conservatives are voting Trump this time around. Shit like the Lincoln Project is just last-minute smoke and mirrors.
I'm one of them.
One of my favorite moments of the 2016 election was watching the NYT real-time probability graph swap from 96% Hillary to 96% Trump.
It’s going to be that way again.
I've shared that graph with a few lefties this last week on fuckbook who said the election is already over, Biden won ... They didn't like the reminder.
I bet not
LMAO and the live stream of the Young Turks watching that needle slowly make it's way from Hillary to MAGA was possibly the greatest slow motion train wreck ever captured on camera.
If you have a link I'd love to see it
https://youtu.be/jpyKuzoFW40 Here’s a highlights reel
If the election looks to be going bad I'll probably go to bed early and sleep poorly.
If the election looks to be going TRUMP then I'll have difficulty choosing which fake news outlet to watch and laugh at.
Quantitative measurement is white privilege! /s
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Dont trust polls at all. Not when they are down and not when they are up. VOTE.
Well you’re in some bad luck because according to these numbers Trump is only up in Texas by 15.3 points.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/10/mailin_voting_will_not_prevent_a_trump_victory.html
So many people had already voted before last week. I hope that didn't (potentially) provide Biden with enough of a cushion if some of those people regret their choice.
I like CNNs "polls of polls" in which they say they call 500 people by phone! Lolll. As if 500 ppl is a good sample size for hundreds of millions of a populace and plus no one can say they they are voting for trump without a rock thrown at their window
Similar to AP-NORC polls of "Americans". Once you dive deep into the methodology, which they keep hidden in the footnotes of multiple PDF files, you discover that many of those polled are "students". They don't define "students" either, so they could be of any age and possibly from other countries here on a student visa.
They probably call 500 people in New England.
I doubt there are 500 people who would even answer a call from CNN
Dems called me asking to commit to vote for Joe. I just plainly stated that I did not commit and I already voted. But they acted like that meant I voted for Joe lmao
America deserves to collapse if Joe Biden wins. Trump going everywhere everyday while Biden goes to sleep for 9 days, kidding me?
Yeah, it hurts to say but I literally like humanity less than before because of how many people have been manipulated into believing the dems are the right choice now.
While we all know not to trust polls, funny that these are "the numbers" and Biden will remain in his basement for the 8 days 🤣
Let's see what happens.
I know that Rasmussen has been relatively reliable in predicting previous elections, and I used to trust them compared to the MSM polls. However, Rasmussen's polls lately have been just as schizophrenic and unbelievable as the MSM polls that I have zero trust in them anymore. How the hell can Biden be leading by double digits one week and then Trump leading by 1 point the next week. It makes NO sense. Also, in this most recent poll, Trump has only 84 percent of the Republican vote and Biden has an even smaller share of the Democratic vote at 77 percent. Yet, somehow Biden leads with independents by 7 points. There is absolutely no sense it that at all.
Bottom line, i don't believe that there are any polls in this day and age (regardless of whether they show Trump ahead or behind) that are anywhere near accurate. The only poll that matters is November 3.
Yeah, in 2016 Ras was steady. This year, all over the map.
Me, too. Companies and politicians. And universities and all the rest.
If you’re referring to Ras’ daily polls, as many mistakenly do, daily polls often vary 1-3 points, hence their margin of error. That’s normal. What a normal poll will do is exactly what Ras daily does, except instead of averaging three days worth of results they post daily.
These polls are absolute crap. There is no way Biden is FDR after WW2 or is Nixon vs McGovern. And there is now way Biden is Reagan vs Carter, Carter was so unliked it wasnt funny. You wouldnt see anybody with Trump stickers or going to rallies. There wouldnt be a TheDonald for those numbers. Remember when they all praise Carter, Carter was one term fluke that almost got beat by Ford but because of Nixon lost. They don't tell you that.
oh no, how could this happen, no one could have seen this coming again exactly the same as last time, what a shocker, how will the liberals cope?
well, we've already seen how they coped the last time. i imagine "by escalating" will be the answer... again.
This poll is skewed. It doesn’t include the 25% of Trump most definitely voters that are showing up on Election Day and saying fuck you media, duck you Biden, fuck your Covid and BLM and everything else you stand for. Vote people I feel this is going to be the second most important day in the history of this great nation. After that buckle up the deep state is coming, but under no circumstances will we let this coup succeed We are Americans!!!! Free and Brave! Fuck Joe Biden and Fuck Harris.
Total bullshit. You have to have a "platinum" membership in order to see their methodology. Guarantee they sampled democrats way more than republicans or independents.
As I said before. If it's even close, it'll make me sick.
No reason this shouldn't be a landslide.
They can’t hide it anymore. Trump is killing the early vote, something they weren’t expecting
So more like Trump 70% | Biden 30%, got it.
Wouldn't trust that number.
It's closer to 40%
I'm in my 40's, have voted each time, I have never been polled.
Trump by 1%... please.
Who at Rasmussen will lose their job when they find how JUST how wrong they are on the 4th?
A victory by 1% is still a victory — what's the problem with that?
Also remember that this is only a poll of the popular vote. Trump still won by over 70 electoral votes in 2016.
It would be amazing to have honest polling. You are right that a win is a win.
This might be to scare dems into making sure they vote since they are admitting how close it is now. Either that or it really will be a huge landslide for us
It's like this every time. "So far ahead she/he doesn't have to campaign" down to "nailbiter" in like four days.
If he's got 48% nationally then he's got the swing states locked.
Vote for a landslide! We owe him a landslide victory!
God what a fucking joke. We've been saying since July to ignore the polls because whatever "lead" Joe has is fake. they will tighten to neck and neck the week before the election. This blatant manipulation should be illegal.
Biden chose the least popular D to primary as his running mate - and that have him a double digit lead over Trump?
BS.
They lost all credibility in 2016 and people are still hanging on their every data point, I believe nothing from any pollster regardless of positive or negative
Somebody do the meme where the guy is looking at the other girl--where the other girl is VOTE TRUMP and the pissed-off girlfriend is POLLS.
Is this just trying to represent the popular vote, or the electoral vote?
Because if it's the former, then the result would be even better. (And that's even ignoring shy Trump voters)
Look man, my mental fil- my physical as well as my mental fil-fitness is unquestionable. We can’t rebuild our economy and meet this crimate clisis. We exacerbate the need to exotic medical environmental justice, ok? So we need to work again with Canada and Mexico as neighbors not as advertaries. Donald Trump does pose an excellent to this, the – its not a hypothetical. What makes his wild claims and hopes, he now hopes we don’t notice what he said or what remember. And when he does follow through, or doesn’t, do, when follow through, the exact opposite. So what? Cause if you could take care, if you were a cornpop, you can sure in hell take care running an uh, department store, thing, uh, you know, second floor in the ladies department - 1.2 billion, so you go ahead and stack spaghetti sauce at a store at a supermarket and you control the guy or woman who brings out the carts on a forklift. What happened?
I don't even think it's this close
A couple of days before the election, the polls are going to suddenly swing massively for Trump.
"See! We weren't wrong at all! We totally accurately called it!"
It will do that to turn out the dems .
Fuck polls, go vote. Get your friends and family to vote Trump! Put out that yard sign. Momentum!
I've been saying this and keep getting shot down with stupid, " then they'll know how much to steal ! " bullshit. They'll know anyway if they are going to try that ! Everyone needs to vote early in my opinion, because I'm worried about a " 2020 grand finale " on election day designed to keep people who were going to vote in person home. An attack, some huge news event. Something is going to happen I fear. Just a feeling
They like to shut down voting locations at the last minute without warning in my area.
I never doubted Trump. Now we need ACB in the court so we can file challenges to the lefts cheating!
I thought Trump was polling +5 in OH?
GET THIS FAKE NEWS OUT OF HERE