Agree, we must keep them from doing what FDR did in order to get his "alphabet agencies" situated into law. If we would have had a fixed number of justices back then, we wouldn't have the FBI (yes it was Hoover that created them), ATF, IRS, etc. It was the only way they could get those unconstitutional agencies in place.
Roberts' extortion will eventually come to light. Kagan's role in it too. Sotomayor has diabetes. Breyer is old. Thomas is young enough to enjoy retirement if he wants it.
The best possible outcome is Trump nominates eight Justices. Well, not a very likely outcome, I'll say. But four is pretty likely. And if Roberts' extortion comes out...
Let's be clear because the DEMONkkRATS don't understand.
PACKING THE COURT means adding new positions. DEMONkkkRATS are claiming that FILLING VACANT SEATS is packing the lower courts. They are ignorant or deceiving their own backers. Neither is honorable.
Filling the SCOTUS position is not ILLEGITIMATE. It might be impolitic, it might be unwise, (though I would disagree with both positions), but it is the CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS at work. The President nominates after a vacancy 100% of the time. If the Senate is of the same party, it is approved ALMOST every time. If it is of a different party, it has been rejected almost every time since it has become politicized.
I don't think we should...it would be a political loser for us.
However, the threat should absolutely be on the table.
Trump and Mcconnell need to put it on the table right now that we are ready to eliminate the filibuster and pack the court should we win this election unless they are willing to back off their rhetoric and make an agreement to protect the courts, the fillibuster, and the electoral college.
In the early 1800s after a wave election the Congress eliminated HALF the Federal judges -- they remained judges for life, yes, but of non-existent courts. There was a suit by the canceled judges, but the remaining judges threw it out because they understood what might happen to them if they didn't.
I believe the Founders did not require an amendment to change the number of Supreme Court Justices precisely because they felt that Congress should be able to reform the courts if they got out of control. This was a feature to them, and it was essentially how it was (and is) in the UK system.
Nowadays, however, packing the top court is really a power play to keep power forever. It must not be allowed. The rule should be that if you increase the number of justices on the court, then one presidential election must pass, maybe two even, before the new seats can be filled. That will make it so the only reason to increase the number of seats is to cope with the amount of work the court has. In any case, the maximum number should be capped.
Congress would have to decide to add more and the president has the power to veto. So that's the separation of power. You still would need a majority in both houses + president to pull it off... or at least enough defectors to go along with it. When they're the same party, that makes things a lot easier.
They should pull the biggest troll of all time. They should announce that they’re either going to pack or cap the court. Make Dems come out against one of those stances, then do the other and watch the media play catch up. I would make them vote in the house AND senate on which ever bill we didn’t want, then have President Trump veto it. Flip the bill 180, repeat and sign. It would be glorious.
They should create an amendment to cap the court a 9 seats and let all the Democrats vote against it.
Agree, we must keep them from doing what FDR did in order to get his "alphabet agencies" situated into law. If we would have had a fixed number of justices back then, we wouldn't have the FBI (yes it was Hoover that created them), ATF, IRS, etc. It was the only way they could get those unconstitutional agencies in place.
Tell the dems that if the amendment fails, Rs will immediately bring a court packing bill to a vote, nuke the filibuster, and pass it.
Absolutely not. Breyer is really old anyway so Trump could very likely get another pick in the next few years.
Roberts' extortion will eventually come to light. Kagan's role in it too. Sotomayor has diabetes. Breyer is old. Thomas is young enough to enjoy retirement if he wants it.
The best possible outcome is Trump nominates eight Justices. Well, not a very likely outcome, I'll say. But four is pretty likely. And if Roberts' extortion comes out...
And Kennedy and Thomas.
Kennedy already retired. Kavanaugh replaced him.
My bad I’m a stupid ass lol I was thinking of Breyer you’re totally right
Let's be clear because the DEMONkkRATS don't understand.
PACKING THE COURT means adding new positions. DEMONkkkRATS are claiming that FILLING VACANT SEATS is packing the lower courts. They are ignorant or deceiving their own backers. Neither is honorable.
Filling the SCOTUS position is not ILLEGITIMATE. It might be impolitic, it might be unwise, (though I would disagree with both positions), but it is the CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS at work. The President nominates after a vacancy 100% of the time. If the Senate is of the same party, it is approved ALMOST every time. If it is of a different party, it has been rejected almost every time since it has become politicized.
I don't think we should...it would be a political loser for us.
However, the threat should absolutely be on the table.
Trump and Mcconnell need to put it on the table right now that we are ready to eliminate the filibuster and pack the court should we win this election unless they are willing to back off their rhetoric and make an agreement to protect the courts, the fillibuster, and the electoral college.
Makes sense. Either make an amendment or we'll pack the court.
It makes no sense that 1 branch of our 3 branch system can up and decide to change another branch to their liking, separation of power and all that.
In the early 1800s after a wave election the Congress eliminated HALF the Federal judges -- they remained judges for life, yes, but of non-existent courts. There was a suit by the canceled judges, but the remaining judges threw it out because they understood what might happen to them if they didn't.
I believe the Founders did not require an amendment to change the number of Supreme Court Justices precisely because they felt that Congress should be able to reform the courts if they got out of control. This was a feature to them, and it was essentially how it was (and is) in the UK system.
Nowadays, however, packing the top court is really a power play to keep power forever. It must not be allowed. The rule should be that if you increase the number of justices on the court, then one presidential election must pass, maybe two even, before the new seats can be filled. That will make it so the only reason to increase the number of seats is to cope with the amount of work the court has. In any case, the maximum number should be capped.
Congress would have to decide to add more and the president has the power to veto. So that's the separation of power. You still would need a majority in both houses + president to pull it off... or at least enough defectors to go along with it. When they're the same party, that makes things a lot easier.
They should pull the biggest troll of all time. They should announce that they’re either going to pack or cap the court. Make Dems come out against one of those stances, then do the other and watch the media play catch up. I would make them vote in the house AND senate on which ever bill we didn’t want, then have President Trump veto it. Flip the bill 180, repeat and sign. It would be glorious.
no, they should not
Yes!
No,to many people like Roberts.
We should raise it to 21 justices and clone Clarence Thomas 12 times.
To quote Andrew Breitbart: "War."
Yes. Do it now. Next time they have the Senate they will 100% do it. Does anyone have any doubt?
Voter ID laws and regulations not this insane ballot harvesting no ID nonsensical candyland BS
no
but we need to make it harder for leftists to do so in the future
and FFS, let's work on election integrity
Yes
No--they should pack Guantanamo Bay with corrupt politicians and deep staters.