Agreed on Bergoglio - can't stand the heretic, truth be told.
Then again, I'm blessed with our parish having a based priest (he even holds traditional Tridentine High Mass on occasion - Latin, incense, six candles, the works.)
Before he showed up, I was in the same boat as you - didn't care if I went or not. Now? I make it a point to insure we go.
"even the possibility of their being forces at work beyond what science can explain "
This is what kills me about smooth brain leftists. Everything we have learned about scientific method since we came out of the trees teaches us that there is ALWAYS a possibility, a probability even, of there being forces at work beyond what science can explain.
Not sure if you saw my other comments but I've been an atheist as long as I can remember. I never felt the need to be evangelical about it, nor to denigrate anyone for their faith.
Nothing wrong with that. You can have a personal relationship with God without the church. I left the church back in 2010 and have not stepped foot in one other than for weddings/baptisms. I have a great relationship with God, read scripture, and pray.
Don't step in unless you feel an overwhelming need or could use the fellowship.
I am with u/Guins95 here. I was born Catholic and wandered in and out of practicing going on a half century now. I will not practice while Bergoglio heads the Church, and I likely will never practice again because I believe the Church to be in grave error in its teachings.
My specific beef with the Church's teachings is their obfuscation of the idea of the Holy Spirit. I always saw their inchoate representation of the Holy Spirit as mumbo-jumbo hand-waving about completely subjective emotions and abstract concepts like love, charity, peace, hope and tranquility. I can see the value of these things, but I could never buy into the idea that the message could not be further refined nor better explained.
I have concluded that the Holy Spirit is the Scientific Method, backed with logic, that finally elevated our minds beyond our frankly horrific natural, animal nature. That was God's gift to us to help guide us in exploring the intricate beauty of His Creation.
Read this: John 14 from after the Last Supper on the night before our Lord's crucifixion. It's short and shouldn't take more than three minutes to read. Imagine yourself in Jesus' place, trying to explain the Enlightenment that would be coming fifteen-hundred years in the future to your pre-Enlightenment followers.
I'm stepping back up to the church. I'm not ready to step in yet
TLM is worth investigating. I'd be happy if that were the norm again.
Fuck those preachers most of them don't believe and are telling the devils message
Read the bible yourself or with trustd partner / friends. You don't need someone else to decode the message for you. You know whats true
This. Me too exactly.
Agreed on Bergoglio - can't stand the heretic, truth be told.
Then again, I'm blessed with our parish having a based priest (he even holds traditional Tridentine High Mass on occasion - Latin, incense, six candles, the works.)
Before he showed up, I was in the same boat as you - didn't care if I went or not. Now? I make it a point to insure we go.
Maybe ditch the Catholic Church all together? I’m a Presbyterian goer now, and I greatly prefer it! No fancy formalities, just teaching the Bible.
I’m a fellow atheist as well. Cant believe in the churches teachings myself, but I can respect them.
Yep.
concur (see my comment)
"even the possibility of their being forces at work beyond what science can explain "
This is what kills me about smooth brain leftists. Everything we have learned about scientific method since we came out of the trees teaches us that there is ALWAYS a possibility, a probability even, of there being forces at work beyond what science can explain.
Not sure if you saw my other comments but I've been an atheist as long as I can remember. I never felt the need to be evangelical about it, nor to denigrate anyone for their faith.
Nothing wrong with that. You can have a personal relationship with God without the church. I left the church back in 2010 and have not stepped foot in one other than for weddings/baptisms. I have a great relationship with God, read scripture, and pray.
Don't step in unless you feel an overwhelming need or could use the fellowship.
I am with u/Guins95 here. I was born Catholic and wandered in and out of practicing going on a half century now. I will not practice while Bergoglio heads the Church, and I likely will never practice again because I believe the Church to be in grave error in its teachings.
My specific beef with the Church's teachings is their obfuscation of the idea of the Holy Spirit. I always saw their inchoate representation of the Holy Spirit as mumbo-jumbo hand-waving about completely subjective emotions and abstract concepts like love, charity, peace, hope and tranquility. I can see the value of these things, but I could never buy into the idea that the message could not be further refined nor better explained.
I have concluded that the Holy Spirit is the Scientific Method, backed with logic, that finally elevated our minds beyond our frankly horrific natural, animal nature. That was God's gift to us to help guide us in exploring the intricate beauty of His Creation.
Read this: John 14 from after the Last Supper on the night before our Lord's crucifixion. It's short and shouldn't take more than three minutes to read. Imagine yourself in Jesus' place, trying to explain the Enlightenment that would be coming fifteen-hundred years in the future to your pre-Enlightenment followers.