Majored in it dipshit. Oh, and I'm not Hispanic either but keep talking out of your angry ass. Remind me the part of the constitution where it says you must be Christian to live here. Also, I am Christian but many people who MAGA with us are not.
Well if you want to get technical, it was founded by Christians who were persecuted by other Christians and recognized the importance of religious freedom
Not true. We get our moral compass from Jesus and the New Testament not the Old Testament (Torah) and Moses. In Jesus' time, the jews did not agree with what he said, and he changed many of the laws and punishments for sins and crimes. (Abolishment of Kosher, Abolishment of stoning, Mixed cloths allowed, sacrifices etc.) Perhaps, the Jews and Christians have similar values now, but that would mean that the Jews adopted Christian values not the other way around.
Yes, that is true, but fulfilling the law and scripture meant that many of the previous laws of Moses were twisted and perverted, and they were to be fixed by Jesus. I guess he didn't change the law as much as clarified the law, sorry for the confusion.
This is not exactly correct. the old Jewish law wasn't twisted or perverted...it was what a perfect God required of man to be with Him i.e. perfection. And then, because no one was perfect it required sacrifice after sacrifice to pay for their sins thus an imperfect sacrifice. The giving of this law was to show man that on their own due to their depravity they could never fulfill it Individually or as a nation and therefore there was nothing that man could do to be with God. Thus why God sends Jesus to live out the entire Jewish law (thus fulfilling it) and slain as a sacrifice in our place to pay for our sins. So its not that the old law is no longer in place (and Jesus most certainly presented new ways of thinking about the old laws), its just that we dont have to worry that if we break it we will be unable to be with God because Jesus has lived the perfect life that we couldnt and paid the price in our place so that if we acknowledge that and accept him as our savior we can be with God despite us being law breakers.
In other words, it's not so much that kosher was and stoning was abolished, just that we don't have to do that anymore because we have a perfect sacrifice.
Not the same thing. Nowhere in the ten commandments does it mention sacrifices or stoning or kosher. The ten commandments are not laws, they are commandments. The ten commandments teach how to worship god properly and how to act, the laws of Moses were a code of laws. Although Moses' laws were based on the ten commandments, they are not the same, Moses' laws are not applicable to modern christians. Not being rude, but you might want to do some more research.
dude you have no idea what you are talking about. Read some Thomas Aquinas, the nature of the moral law is that by definition it cannot change over time. The ceremonial and judicial laws were fulfilled by Christ and do not apply anymore. The moral law is forever.
You should refrain from posting on theological matters until you do a little more studying. The Christian religion does not refute the Old Testament (what you are calling the laws of Moses) or claim it was twisted. All 613 commandments are in the Old Testament.
Christian Ideology believes they no longer have to all be adhered to, but not because it was "twisted"
You are missing the picture of what people mean when they say Judeo/ Christian values. There are a few mistakes you are making.
You are focusing on the differences between Christianity and Judaism, without looking at the bigger picture of the world and society that predated Judaism. Yes their are differences between Judaism and Christianity, but they are a world away from society that predated them, and have influenced civilization so heavily, that you have a hard time picturing a society without them.
In Judaism, there is a difference between commandments given to Jews, and Jewish values that are considered fundamental to all of society.
In the Jewish belief, a non-Jew, can be a righteous person even without adhering to all of the commandments. Those additional commandments were not about morality, and where only intended for Jews to adhere to.
The examples you cited, Kosher, Mixed Clothes were never required of society at large. Stoning, is a punishment, not a commandment (not unlike the death penalty), it was only meant to be used during the time of the temple, and even then, very sparingly (based on different interpretations in the Talmud, it averaged either once every 7 years, or once every 70 years).
To summarize, their is a significant difference (at least in Judaism), between the commandments given to the Jewish People, and the moral values of the religion
Dude, as a fellow pede your theology is really messed up and off base from the scripture. Have you read your Bible from front to back and researched Biblical history as well as early Christian church history? As someone who is reading my Bible from cover to cover for the 3rd time, there are so many things you’ve written that are completely off base and it makes you sound dumb (I don’t think you are dumb but you just sound like it). It also might be an age thing, you could be a 15 year old, who knows? I would study some more and understand the context, don’t just listen to what your pastor says, take some time to read and study the entire Bible for yourself.
Christianity is Judeo. Read the book again.
America wasnt founded for jews. It was founded for Christians
It was founded for all who will MAGA.
Majored in it dipshit. Oh, and I'm not Hispanic either but keep talking out of your angry ass. Remind me the part of the constitution where it says you must be Christian to live here. Also, I am Christian but many people who MAGA with us are not.
Nonsense.
Sounds like you need a history lesson low iq wizard
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Israel-was-created-by-the-Rothschilds-not-God-Labour-members-post-reads-470013
https://www.shiftfrequency.com/american-history-rothschilds-8-families/
Child, please. The adults are talking.
Well if you want to get technical, it was founded by Christians who were persecuted by other Christians and recognized the importance of religious freedom
Nope wrong
I do remember something about the synagogue of Satan
Yes! There are no more Jews- only the synagogue of Satan.
Not true. We get our moral compass from Jesus and the New Testament not the Old Testament (Torah) and Moses. In Jesus' time, the jews did not agree with what he said, and he changed many of the laws and punishments for sins and crimes. (Abolishment of Kosher, Abolishment of stoning, Mixed cloths allowed, sacrifices etc.) Perhaps, the Jews and Christians have similar values now, but that would mean that the Jews adopted Christian values not the other way around.
Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
Yes, that is true, but fulfilling the law and scripture meant that many of the previous laws of Moses were twisted and perverted, and they were to be fixed by Jesus. I guess he didn't change the law as much as clarified the law, sorry for the confusion.
This is not exactly correct. the old Jewish law wasn't twisted or perverted...it was what a perfect God required of man to be with Him i.e. perfection. And then, because no one was perfect it required sacrifice after sacrifice to pay for their sins thus an imperfect sacrifice. The giving of this law was to show man that on their own due to their depravity they could never fulfill it Individually or as a nation and therefore there was nothing that man could do to be with God. Thus why God sends Jesus to live out the entire Jewish law (thus fulfilling it) and slain as a sacrifice in our place to pay for our sins. So its not that the old law is no longer in place (and Jesus most certainly presented new ways of thinking about the old laws), its just that we dont have to worry that if we break it we will be unable to be with God because Jesus has lived the perfect life that we couldnt and paid the price in our place so that if we acknowledge that and accept him as our savior we can be with God despite us being law breakers.
Not at all!
In other words, it's not so much that kosher was and stoning was abolished, just that we don't have to do that anymore because we have a perfect sacrifice.
ever heard of the 10 commandments?
Not the same thing. Nowhere in the ten commandments does it mention sacrifices or stoning or kosher. The ten commandments are not laws, they are commandments. The ten commandments teach how to worship god properly and how to act, the laws of Moses were a code of laws. Although Moses' laws were based on the ten commandments, they are not the same, Moses' laws are not applicable to modern christians. Not being rude, but you might want to do some more research.
dude you have no idea what you are talking about. Read some Thomas Aquinas, the nature of the moral law is that by definition it cannot change over time. The ceremonial and judicial laws were fulfilled by Christ and do not apply anymore. The moral law is forever.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2100.htm
You should refrain from posting on theological matters until you do a little more studying. The Christian religion does not refute the Old Testament (what you are calling the laws of Moses) or claim it was twisted. All 613 commandments are in the Old Testament.
Christian Ideology believes they no longer have to all be adhered to, but not because it was "twisted"
You are missing the picture of what people mean when they say Judeo/ Christian values. There are a few mistakes you are making.
You are focusing on the differences between Christianity and Judaism, without looking at the bigger picture of the world and society that predated Judaism. Yes their are differences between Judaism and Christianity, but they are a world away from society that predated them, and have influenced civilization so heavily, that you have a hard time picturing a society without them.
In Judaism, there is a difference between commandments given to Jews, and Jewish values that are considered fundamental to all of society.
In the Jewish belief, a non-Jew, can be a righteous person even without adhering to all of the commandments. Those additional commandments were not about morality, and where only intended for Jews to adhere to.
The examples you cited, Kosher, Mixed Clothes were never required of society at large. Stoning, is a punishment, not a commandment (not unlike the death penalty), it was only meant to be used during the time of the temple, and even then, very sparingly (based on different interpretations in the Talmud, it averaged either once every 7 years, or once every 70 years).
To summarize, their is a significant difference (at least in Judaism), between the commandments given to the Jewish People, and the moral values of the religion
Which the Jews still live in unto this day.
Dude, as a fellow pede your theology is really messed up and off base from the scripture. Have you read your Bible from front to back and researched Biblical history as well as early Christian church history? As someone who is reading my Bible from cover to cover for the 3rd time, there are so many things you’ve written that are completely off base and it makes you sound dumb (I don’t think you are dumb but you just sound like it). It also might be an age thing, you could be a 15 year old, who knows? I would study some more and understand the context, don’t just listen to what your pastor says, take some time to read and study the entire Bible for yourself.
I do remember something about the synagogue of Satan