Yea I dont understand attacking the GOP on gays anymore... outside of a few religious folks (and even then its mostly related to not forcing religious people to perform lgbt services), nobody cares anymore... its a non-issue.
Well, I do also care about the integrity of marriage. And I don't want Catholic orphanages forced to adopt out to gays or Catholic or other religious schools forced to hire either gay or openly adulterous teachers.
Frankly, though, I think no-fault divorce has been a lot worse for the country (and for the integrity of marriage) than gay marriage ever will be, simply because it affects vastly more people.
Is no fault-divorce the real issue? I think the main problem is what is causing these divorces.
Too few children? Bigger families certainly divorce less.
Getting married too late? It does mean more sexual partners.
Birth control? Women on birth control have an increased preference for beta males.
I recall a guy mentioning years ago that if your woman isn't pregnant in her fertile years (because of "family planning"), she'll naturally have thoughts of finding someone that will, it's simple evolution.
If marriage is really something holy then it shouldn't affect the marriage of straight people if gay marriage exists. Should be strong enough to withstand something like that right? Also remember few people believe god will smite everyone just because gay marriage exists.
I'm gay, was planning to go full blue in 2016 after feeling disenfranchised with the GOP (was raised in a Christian conservative household) on a variety of issues. Bernie was my guy and I shilled for him. Hillary faked LGBT support and we got the emails to prove it. Couldn't vote for her.
Jumped on the Trump train. Felt welcomed, energized, supported, and defended. I'm not the property of the Confederates. I'm an American who loves America, and our POTUS loves us too. Trump indeed showed the GOP how to win again. And win we will.
Some are, but Trump has shown them the obvious: you can't run a party and campaign on that alone. The GOP was waiting for another Ronald Reagan when they should have realized that not only was such a candidate nowhere to be found, but that it just didn't attract the electorate in like it used to.
Trump upgraded the game. Added LGBT, minority outreach, and union workers. Suddenly he's taking the "blue vote guarantees" away from the DNC. Despite not getting another Reagan, we got something similar: an ex-Democrat.
The problem with a lot of the Christian conservatives in the GOP is they were neither. They were uniparty establishment all the way. The fact is, Trump has done more for Christian conservatives than all the christian conservative establishment politicians in my lifetime. Trump's presidency put a lie to what I had heard so often in GOP circles, that is, "if we only got rid of all these Christians, and focused on economics, we'd win every election" and that was the start of the GOP establishment's betrayal. I don't like the word marriage for same sex unions and would prefer everything of that nature (including heterosexual legal marriages) be called civil unions but we are where we are. That being said, my concern about legalizing it had nothing to do with denying LGBTQIA+ rights. It had entirely to do with the way I thought LGBTQIA+ activists would seek out Christians who disagreed and try to hurt them any way they could and immediately move into schools to push an agenda. Oh and I was right by the way. LGBTQIA+ activists went on a lawsuit spree targeting as many Christians as they could and dissenting from transgender gender queer ideology in any public space including schools, has become an anathema. So don't give any of this "oh Christians are so mean to us" (I am not denying that some christians are total jerks), but the problem is most certainly the other way around and has been for a while now.
Yeah, it's gotten so much better now. They stopped saying things that hurt feefees and started selling out America instead!
EDIT hello downvoters, have you met the GOP? Romney? McStain? Did you see the shit they pulled with the debates and the moderators they agreed to? Apart from about five people other than Trump the GOP is just as much sellouts as the Dems and you know it.
The Dems are rabid ideologues of the Left and they brand Trump as a right-wing ideologue because they see everything through that narrow lens. The fact is that Trump is the least ideological President we've had in my lifetime. He wants Americans to have (as you say) jobs and security and prosperity and a bright future for their children. What sane American DOESN'T want those things?
Anti-globalist and strong border policies--everything that seems "ideological" in his platform--stems from this basic humanity.
I'm a Christian and I have my own personal religious beliefs, but that is between ME AND GOD. It is not my place to judge other people because how they live their lives is between them and God. It is none of my business and frankly I don't care lol. It is such a non issue to me. Consenting adults have every legal right to do whatever they want and trying to stop it is unAmerican in my opinion regardless of my personal beliefs. Live and let live.
I believe in what the Bible says regarding the act of homosexuality being sexually immoral (Not the desire/attraction or temptation. Jesus was tempted, so temptation is not the same thing as acting on it). However, so is adultery, fornication, etc. and it irks me when ppl try to elevate homosexuality as a "worse" sin. Sin is sin and it all causes separation between us and God. I have my own struggles, temptations, and shortcomings, and sexual purity is VERY difficult in our current world. Ultimately, I don't believe in judging anyone else because I don't know their life, what their relationship with God is or isn't, or what their personal beliefs are. So I hold what the Bible says as applicable to me. God says not to commit adultery, so I don't. He says not to lay with a woman the way a man lays with her, so I don't, but I am FAR from perfect. I do my best, but I fall short every day, but Jesus is my savior and His mercy and grace is sufficient. I hope I explained that well enough and didn't hurt anyone's feelings. I really do just look at it as what God wants for ME, and I follow His teachings and commandments out of my faithfulness to Him, but the greatest two commandments are to love God and to love one another. So I do my best to show love, kindness and compassion and not judgment. "Let He who is without sin cast the first stone."
I just realized I never answered your question about gay marriage. I actually don't like that the government has anything to do with marriage at all. Signing a piece of paper did not make me married. Taking vows before God and witnesses and later physically consummating our union is what made my husband and I married. If the government isn't involved at all, then everyone is free to do whatever they want with whatever ceremony they want and the whole debate is moot. And for me that goes back to we live in America and consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to do. Same with plural marriage. If everyone is a consenting adult, I don't see the problem from a free society point of view. Child brides/adults being forced into that life is a whole other matter.
Identity politics are ALWAYS divisive by their very nature. Gays are starting to learn this. Friends at work voted Obama twice, Hillary once, and are voting Trump now.
Gays turned a Masculine Christian athletics club into a place to cruise for “young men”. Then they made it a gay anthem called YMCA by The Village People
The president's LGBT policy is that nobody cares about if you're LGB. People in Islamic shitholes should probably stop killing people over it and if you're a T it also doesn't matter. Just stay away from the kids and don't ask the military to pay for your medication.
Yea I dont understand attacking the GOP on gays anymore... outside of a few religious folks (and even then its mostly related to not forcing religious people to perform lgbt services), nobody cares anymore... its a non-issue.
It’s a losing issue. Practically everyone knows someone who’s gay. I literally couldn’t give a shit, as long as they’re a patriotic American.
My barber is gay and amazing at his job. I don’t care that he has a husband, they’re both MAGA.
Well, I do also care about the integrity of marriage. And I don't want Catholic orphanages forced to adopt out to gays or Catholic or other religious schools forced to hire either gay or openly adulterous teachers.
Frankly, though, I think no-fault divorce has been a lot worse for the country (and for the integrity of marriage) than gay marriage ever will be, simply because it affects vastly more people.
Is no fault-divorce the real issue? I think the main problem is what is causing these divorces.
Too few children? Bigger families certainly divorce less.
Getting married too late? It does mean more sexual partners.
Birth control? Women on birth control have an increased preference for beta males.
I recall a guy mentioning years ago that if your woman isn't pregnant in her fertile years (because of "family planning"), she'll naturally have thoughts of finding someone that will, it's simple evolution.
If marriage is really something holy then it shouldn't affect the marriage of straight people if gay marriage exists. Should be strong enough to withstand something like that right? Also remember few people believe god will smite everyone just because gay marriage exists.
Same sex “marriage” was dreamed up by divorce lawyers.
If there’s one lawyer in a small town he’s starving. If there’s two they’re both rich. (I kid, but you know it’s true)
I care about the overlap of gay men and pedophiles
My barber is gay and MAGA as F!
They have no energy to actually think of complaints. They just bitch from their 40 year old playbook.
I'm gay, was planning to go full blue in 2016 after feeling disenfranchised with the GOP (was raised in a Christian conservative household) on a variety of issues. Bernie was my guy and I shilled for him. Hillary faked LGBT support and we got the emails to prove it. Couldn't vote for her.
Jumped on the Trump train. Felt welcomed, energized, supported, and defended. I'm not the property of the Confederates. I'm an American who loves America, and our POTUS loves us too. Trump indeed showed the GOP how to win again. And win we will.
As long as all of us benefit as united Americans, I will toast to that!
I am so happy those weirdos ain't in charge of GOP no more.
Some are, but Trump has shown them the obvious: you can't run a party and campaign on that alone. The GOP was waiting for another Ronald Reagan when they should have realized that not only was such a candidate nowhere to be found, but that it just didn't attract the electorate in like it used to.
Trump upgraded the game. Added LGBT, minority outreach, and union workers. Suddenly he's taking the "blue vote guarantees" away from the DNC. Despite not getting another Reagan, we got something similar: an ex-Democrat.
The problem with a lot of the Christian conservatives in the GOP is they were neither. They were uniparty establishment all the way. The fact is, Trump has done more for Christian conservatives than all the christian conservative establishment politicians in my lifetime. Trump's presidency put a lie to what I had heard so often in GOP circles, that is, "if we only got rid of all these Christians, and focused on economics, we'd win every election" and that was the start of the GOP establishment's betrayal. I don't like the word marriage for same sex unions and would prefer everything of that nature (including heterosexual legal marriages) be called civil unions but we are where we are. That being said, my concern about legalizing it had nothing to do with denying LGBTQIA+ rights. It had entirely to do with the way I thought LGBTQIA+ activists would seek out Christians who disagreed and try to hurt them any way they could and immediately move into schools to push an agenda. Oh and I was right by the way. LGBTQIA+ activists went on a lawsuit spree targeting as many Christians as they could and dissenting from transgender gender queer ideology in any public space including schools, has become an anathema. So don't give any of this "oh Christians are so mean to us" (I am not denying that some christians are total jerks), but the problem is most certainly the other way around and has been for a while now.
It was never the Christian conservatives, that was a boogeyman invented by the left. it was the fundamentalist nutbags; the Jerry Fucking Falwells.
Yeah, it's gotten so much better now. They stopped saying things that hurt feefees and started selling out America instead!
EDIT hello downvoters, have you met the GOP? Romney? McStain? Did you see the shit they pulled with the debates and the moderators they agreed to? Apart from about five people other than Trump the GOP is just as much sellouts as the Dems and you know it.
They can't win without division. Sensible people don't vote for the shit they shovel.
They dehumanize. Then it's like they're not really hurting other people.
The Dems are rabid ideologues of the Left and they brand Trump as a right-wing ideologue because they see everything through that narrow lens. The fact is that Trump is the least ideological President we've had in my lifetime. He wants Americans to have (as you say) jobs and security and prosperity and a bright future for their children. What sane American DOESN'T want those things?
Anti-globalist and strong border policies--everything that seems "ideological" in his platform--stems from this basic humanity.
Drop the T and Q. Trannies have nothing to do with gays and "queer" is a meaningless label for retards who want to be a special snowflake.
Let's shove it down their throats, Grenell 2024
I'm happy for this shift. We're all just people who want the absolute best for everyone involved no who you fuck.
If being yourself involves having sex with minors, then I am 500% against you being yourself.
I'm a Christian and I have my own personal religious beliefs, but that is between ME AND GOD. It is not my place to judge other people because how they live their lives is between them and God. It is none of my business and frankly I don't care lol. It is such a non issue to me. Consenting adults have every legal right to do whatever they want and trying to stop it is unAmerican in my opinion regardless of my personal beliefs. Live and let live.
Well said.
What personal religious beliefs specifically? In regards to gay marriage. Lgbt etc? Homosexuality etc. Just curious.
I believe in what the Bible says regarding the act of homosexuality being sexually immoral (Not the desire/attraction or temptation. Jesus was tempted, so temptation is not the same thing as acting on it). However, so is adultery, fornication, etc. and it irks me when ppl try to elevate homosexuality as a "worse" sin. Sin is sin and it all causes separation between us and God. I have my own struggles, temptations, and shortcomings, and sexual purity is VERY difficult in our current world. Ultimately, I don't believe in judging anyone else because I don't know their life, what their relationship with God is or isn't, or what their personal beliefs are. So I hold what the Bible says as applicable to me. God says not to commit adultery, so I don't. He says not to lay with a woman the way a man lays with her, so I don't, but I am FAR from perfect. I do my best, but I fall short every day, but Jesus is my savior and His mercy and grace is sufficient. I hope I explained that well enough and didn't hurt anyone's feelings. I really do just look at it as what God wants for ME, and I follow His teachings and commandments out of my faithfulness to Him, but the greatest two commandments are to love God and to love one another. So I do my best to show love, kindness and compassion and not judgment. "Let He who is without sin cast the first stone."
I just realized I never answered your question about gay marriage. I actually don't like that the government has anything to do with marriage at all. Signing a piece of paper did not make me married. Taking vows before God and witnesses and later physically consummating our union is what made my husband and I married. If the government isn't involved at all, then everyone is free to do whatever they want with whatever ceremony they want and the whole debate is moot. And for me that goes back to we live in America and consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want to do. Same with plural marriage. If everyone is a consenting adult, I don't see the problem from a free society point of view. Child brides/adults being forced into that life is a whole other matter.
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If the left loses identify politics, they have nothing left.
Boom!
Identity politics are ALWAYS divisive by their very nature. Gays are starting to learn this. Friends at work voted Obama twice, Hillary once, and are voting Trump now.
I disagree with Joel. I think most LGBT want an ideology.
Gays turned a Masculine Christian athletics club into a place to cruise for “young men”. Then they made it a gay anthem called YMCA by The Village People
Trump loves YMCA. Who cares.
“You can do whatever you feel”
A lot of people care about degeneracy and the molestation of young people.
If you’re tracing back that one lyric to imply pedophilia, you’re reaching big time.
Also Trump dances to that song every rally, clearly he doesn’t believe that.
The president's LGBT policy is that nobody cares about if you're LGB. People in Islamic shitholes should probably stop killing people over it and if you're a T it also doesn't matter. Just stay away from the kids and don't ask the military to pay for your medication.