As an actual musician who's toured nationally for a living playing 'real' instruments, and who now also makes completely electronic music - the latter is a thousand times harder, and requires infinitely more knowledge and skill to master.
Whatever sound people put their soul into is music, and you'll never convince anyone otherwise with that pathetic attitude.
That's just hyperbole. I've seen people put out passable electronic music after a few months of watching Youtube videos. Very little electronic music is rhythmically or melodically interesting, and when little earbuds and streaming lofi files is replaced by higher quality systems, these last couple decades will be seen as a joke.
Because we keep smiling and nodding along with all the changes other people make to our culture?
I don't think we're losing in the long run, though. Leftism is anathema to culture, it always ends up collapsing in on itself. All we have to do is take care of ours.
As both an 'actual' and 'pretend' musician, this is absolutely correct. Some of the best musicians I know couldn't play a physical instrument to save their life.
Edit: Lol you pathetic salty cucks downvoting me. Hit me with a response argument so you can get told. I've got nigh on two decades behind a piano, and ten more years behind half a dozen other instruments. Come at me.
Semantics again, but a conductor is more akin to a DJ manipulating an existing work, a producer is more like the guy who wrote the piece for the entire orchestra to play, and for the conductor to lead.
I completely agree with you though, calling some musicians and others not, when both produce structured noises that make people feel good at the end of it is indeed a retarded argument.
Who said anything about being a DJ? Literally took me 4 weeks of cramming before I played my first club set - very easy to learn, hard to master. I picked up guitar in a little under 3 years and was playing 3 shows a week professionally via several groups as well as doing session work. Also easy to learn, little harder to master, but certainly not some impossible task.
Producing a fully fledged track from scratch however - composing every element of the piece, designing synth patches, creating unique drums, arranging everything, mixing, mastering it to any remotely professional sounding standard... That all takes FAR longer than learning a traditional instrument. Yeah, you can knock up some run of the mill trash in no time by playing lego with some sample packs, but that's not what we're talking about here.
To argue that composing something on a computer makes you not a musician is completely asinine. Mushing some metal strings onto some wood is nowhere near as complex as lovingly crafting each element of a full track in a DAW.
As an actual musician, I hate that shit with a fiery passion.
Wrong, wrong, and no.
As an actual musician who's toured nationally for a living playing 'real' instruments, and who now also makes completely electronic music - the latter is a thousand times harder, and requires infinitely more knowledge and skill to master.
Whatever sound people put their soul into is music, and you'll never convince anyone otherwise with that pathetic attitude.
That's just hyperbole. I've seen people put out passable electronic music after a few months of watching Youtube videos. Very little electronic music is rhythmically or melodically interesting, and when little earbuds and streaming lofi files is replaced by higher quality systems, these last couple decades will be seen as a joke.
You sound like Yoko Ono.
And what reason is that? Do tell.
Because we keep smiling and nodding along with all the changes other people make to our culture?
I don't think we're losing in the long run, though. Leftism is anathema to culture, it always ends up collapsing in on itself. All we have to do is take care of ours.
Haha this is why kids are fucking retarded these days.
Name checks out...
As both an 'actual' and 'pretend' musician, this is absolutely correct. Some of the best musicians I know couldn't play a physical instrument to save their life.
Edit: Lol you pathetic salty cucks downvoting me. Hit me with a response argument so you can get told. I've got nigh on two decades behind a piano, and ten more years behind half a dozen other instruments. Come at me.
It's kind of semantic, but some artists are more aptly described as music producers, more akin to conductors of an orchestra.
I listen to mostly electronic shit, and love everyone who makes music. Do your thing. The debate over who is and isn't a musician is retarded tho.
Like, do I get music at the end? Yes? You're a music artist. Most would call that a musician.
Semantics again, but a conductor is more akin to a DJ manipulating an existing work, a producer is more like the guy who wrote the piece for the entire orchestra to play, and for the conductor to lead.
I completely agree with you though, calling some musicians and others not, when both produce structured noises that make people feel good at the end of it is indeed a retarded argument.
It takes like 2 years to become a DJ and like 10 to become a decent guitar player.
Who said anything about being a DJ? Literally took me 4 weeks of cramming before I played my first club set - very easy to learn, hard to master. I picked up guitar in a little under 3 years and was playing 3 shows a week professionally via several groups as well as doing session work. Also easy to learn, little harder to master, but certainly not some impossible task.
Producing a fully fledged track from scratch however - composing every element of the piece, designing synth patches, creating unique drums, arranging everything, mixing, mastering it to any remotely professional sounding standard... That all takes FAR longer than learning a traditional instrument. Yeah, you can knock up some run of the mill trash in no time by playing lego with some sample packs, but that's not what we're talking about here.
To argue that composing something on a computer makes you not a musician is completely asinine. Mushing some metal strings onto some wood is nowhere near as complex as lovingly crafting each element of a full track in a DAW.
Like John Lennon. Kek.