As an actual musician who's toured nationally for a living playing 'real' instruments, and who now also makes completely electronic music - the latter is a thousand times harder, and requires infinitely more knowledge and skill to master.
Whatever sound people put their soul into is music, and you'll never convince anyone otherwise with that pathetic attitude.
That's just hyperbole. I've seen people put out passable electronic music after a few months of watching Youtube videos. Very little electronic music is rhythmically or melodically interesting, and when little earbuds and streaming lofi files is replaced by higher quality systems, these last couple decades will be seen as a joke.
A thousand times hyperbole? Yes. Invalid point? No.
Your argument was 'passable', not quality. The first 80% of making anything is easy, the last 20% is where the difference is. Same for playing guitar. Anyone can get good enough to passably say they play in a pretty short space of time. Would you call them not a musician though?
If someone creates something they enjoy listening to, who are you to judge whether it is music or not?
I agree that the vast majority of mainstream electronic music is shallow and weak.
Rhythmic and melodic complexity does not a good song make, however. They are useless metrics in defining how a song makes you feel, which one could argue is the entire purpose of music - to elicit feelings.
Timbral diversity on the other hand is flourishing within electronic music, an area basically unchanged in traditional music since the 60s at this point.
People are exploring uncharted territory in sound design, and it's a wonderful thing for those paying attention.
Outside of our argument here, just as with anything there is a far deeper well of quality stuff out there you're very unlikely to be exposed to unless you're part of the 'scene' for lack of a better term. Everything I've ever delved that has seemed simple on the surface is far more interesting than it appears to a layman. Drag racing for example - I thought it was vroom go fast in a straight line. Cool, boring. Turns out it's a crazy complicated science of tuning machines to the edge of performance and playing mindgames with competitors. Same goes to electronic music - it's not just trash pop, but a deep and vibrant ocean of exciting new sounds to explore.
Because we keep smiling and nodding along with all the changes other people make to our culture?
I don't think we're losing in the long run, though. Leftism is anathema to culture, it always ends up collapsing in on itself. All we have to do is take care of ours.
Wrong, wrong, and no.
As an actual musician who's toured nationally for a living playing 'real' instruments, and who now also makes completely electronic music - the latter is a thousand times harder, and requires infinitely more knowledge and skill to master.
Whatever sound people put their soul into is music, and you'll never convince anyone otherwise with that pathetic attitude.
That's just hyperbole. I've seen people put out passable electronic music after a few months of watching Youtube videos. Very little electronic music is rhythmically or melodically interesting, and when little earbuds and streaming lofi files is replaced by higher quality systems, these last couple decades will be seen as a joke.
A thousand times hyperbole? Yes. Invalid point? No.
Your argument was 'passable', not quality. The first 80% of making anything is easy, the last 20% is where the difference is. Same for playing guitar. Anyone can get good enough to passably say they play in a pretty short space of time. Would you call them not a musician though? If someone creates something they enjoy listening to, who are you to judge whether it is music or not?
I agree that the vast majority of mainstream electronic music is shallow and weak. Rhythmic and melodic complexity does not a good song make, however. They are useless metrics in defining how a song makes you feel, which one could argue is the entire purpose of music - to elicit feelings.
Timbral diversity on the other hand is flourishing within electronic music, an area basically unchanged in traditional music since the 60s at this point. People are exploring uncharted territory in sound design, and it's a wonderful thing for those paying attention.
Outside of our argument here, just as with anything there is a far deeper well of quality stuff out there you're very unlikely to be exposed to unless you're part of the 'scene' for lack of a better term. Everything I've ever delved that has seemed simple on the surface is far more interesting than it appears to a layman. Drag racing for example - I thought it was vroom go fast in a straight line. Cool, boring. Turns out it's a crazy complicated science of tuning machines to the edge of performance and playing mindgames with competitors. Same goes to electronic music - it's not just trash pop, but a deep and vibrant ocean of exciting new sounds to explore.
You sound like Yoko Ono.
And what reason is that? Do tell.
Because we keep smiling and nodding along with all the changes other people make to our culture?
I don't think we're losing in the long run, though. Leftism is anathema to culture, it always ends up collapsing in on itself. All we have to do is take care of ours.