As both an 'actual' and 'pretend' musician, this is absolutely correct. Some of the best musicians I know couldn't play a physical instrument to save their life.
Edit: Lol you pathetic salty cucks downvoting me. Hit me with a response argument so you can get told. I've got nigh on two decades behind a piano, and ten more years behind half a dozen other instruments. Come at me.
Semantics again, but a conductor is more akin to a DJ manipulating an existing work, a producer is more like the guy who wrote the piece for the entire orchestra to play, and for the conductor to lead.
I completely agree with you though, calling some musicians and others not, when both produce structured noises that make people feel good at the end of it is indeed a retarded argument.
Who said anything about being a DJ? Literally took me 4 weeks of cramming before I played my first club set - very easy to learn, hard to master. I picked up guitar in a little under 3 years and was playing 3 shows a week professionally via several groups as well as doing session work. Also easy to learn, little harder to master, but certainly not some impossible task.
Producing a fully fledged track from scratch however - composing every element of the piece, designing synth patches, creating unique drums, arranging everything, mixing, mastering it to any remotely professional sounding standard... That all takes FAR longer than learning a traditional instrument. Yeah, you can knock up some run of the mill trash in no time by playing lego with some sample packs, but that's not what we're talking about here.
To argue that composing something on a computer makes you not a musician is completely asinine. Mushing some metal strings onto some wood is nowhere near as complex as lovingly crafting each element of a full track in a DAW.
As both an 'actual' and 'pretend' musician, this is absolutely correct. Some of the best musicians I know couldn't play a physical instrument to save their life.
Edit: Lol you pathetic salty cucks downvoting me. Hit me with a response argument so you can get told. I've got nigh on two decades behind a piano, and ten more years behind half a dozen other instruments. Come at me.
It's kind of semantic, but some artists are more aptly described as music producers, more akin to conductors of an orchestra.
I listen to mostly electronic shit, and love everyone who makes music. Do your thing. The debate over who is and isn't a musician is retarded tho.
Like, do I get music at the end? Yes? You're a music artist. Most would call that a musician.
Semantics again, but a conductor is more akin to a DJ manipulating an existing work, a producer is more like the guy who wrote the piece for the entire orchestra to play, and for the conductor to lead.
I completely agree with you though, calling some musicians and others not, when both produce structured noises that make people feel good at the end of it is indeed a retarded argument.
It takes like 2 years to become a DJ and like 10 to become a decent guitar player.
Who said anything about being a DJ? Literally took me 4 weeks of cramming before I played my first club set - very easy to learn, hard to master. I picked up guitar in a little under 3 years and was playing 3 shows a week professionally via several groups as well as doing session work. Also easy to learn, little harder to master, but certainly not some impossible task.
Producing a fully fledged track from scratch however - composing every element of the piece, designing synth patches, creating unique drums, arranging everything, mixing, mastering it to any remotely professional sounding standard... That all takes FAR longer than learning a traditional instrument. Yeah, you can knock up some run of the mill trash in no time by playing lego with some sample packs, but that's not what we're talking about here.
To argue that composing something on a computer makes you not a musician is completely asinine. Mushing some metal strings onto some wood is nowhere near as complex as lovingly crafting each element of a full track in a DAW.
Like John Lennon. Kek.