A WILD KAREN APPROACHES! Was told to remove my MAGA gear in Burnsville Minnesota. I busted out MNVA v. MANSKY 2018. It was super effective.
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If you need the court case, here’s the link!! https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-1435_2co3.pdf
In Minnesota the Supreme Court held that prohibiting political apparel at the polls violates the free speech clause of the First Amendment!!!!
just to be clear this is not what the case says. Don't want to give Pedes incorrect info. This ruling says that the state has a compelling interest in keeping poling places apolitical, which includes reasonable and clearly defined bans of political speech within the polling place, but that the MN law did not sufficiently define what "political" speech is and it was too broad to enforce, thus the MN law was invalid, but such laws that strike the balance of the state's interest with the individual right, are valid in principle.
It says both:
Held: Minnesota’s political apparel ban violates the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment. Pp. 7–19.
That’s the ultimate conclusion based on how vague the law was and citing precedent with Burnson v. Freeman
yes but your summary is incorrect. There is no absolute right to wear political messages at the polling place. The Court specifically says that as long as the law clearly defines what is banned, and if what is banned is reasonable in enforcing an apolitical environment, then the law is valid. So without studying the 49 other state laws on poll place campaigning, it is an over simplification to say that a poll worker cannot tell you to change your clothing. In MN, if they are enforcing the law which was invalidated based on the SCOTUS decision, yes, (because it was poorly written, not because you have a right to wear campaign material at the poll) but in the other 49 states, not really.
Yes. That’s why we are talking about Minnesota. I never stated the whole nation.
Also great work looking out for other pedes by mentioning this is just for Minnesota.
I understand, but you are saying that the case says you have a 1st amendment right to wear political attire at the poll. And being a SCOTUS case, that would apply to all the states. The ruling never said you have a right to wear whatever you want at the polls, the ruling is about your right to have clearly defined laws, not your right to clothing choices. So yes, you are correct in the ruling's effect on MN, but not on what it establishes. It is nuanced, but important. Not trying to argue, just trying to clarify to people reading this what the ruling means.
So he’s correct in practice and you’re just being pedantic? K
The law is the epitome of pedantry
There is a distinct difference, actually. If you don't get it that's fine, but he is right and it's worth clarifying why.
No. There are implications for other TD members not in MN who wrongfully interpret the SCOTUS ruling.
I won’t down vote you Jimmy! You are concerned for Pedes outside the state of MN.
This is very interesting thanks
blank stare
Yep,, I'm just a poor fellow from Scranton...
A somewhat frustrating fact. Legalese becomes a fence, surrounding and isolating normal "common sense" folks, from the government and justice system that controls them. They end up frustrated when something happens to them that doesn't pass their smell test, and yet that action is very much legal.
SCOTUS: We aren't saying gay marriage is legal. We are saying bans on it are illegal.
Public: Okay so gay marriage is legal. Thanks Scrotus fags!
SCOTUS: We aren't saying that states may not ban political apparel. It depends what "apparel" is.
Public: Okay so political messages are legal. Thanks Scrotus fags!
This guy does lawfulness!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I would just not risk shit like this. There is no reason to give people an excuse to kick you out just so you can "trigger the libs" or whatever.
even under the invalidated MN law, they can't kick you out, they can simply warn you that your info is being forwarded to the authorities who can then impose a fine on you.
Last time I voted shirtless.
This time, Pepe to the rescue
This is a /r link. Stop giving /r clicks.
Then just walk back in. Put it in your jacket.
They can't ban you from voting.
Yes. A Make America Great Again hat does not say TRUMP on it
I would just worry about my ballot "disappearing" if I were you. Gotta go stealth in these battleground states.
It will be funny if he swappedit to a klan or a nazi hat then. Those are not political parties
LOL WUT???
To troll them.
They will lose your ballot. I like your style but today is a day to go navy seal team 6 zero dark thirty, " BRAVO TEAM, GOING DARK."
Seriously. I don't get why you would want to advertise that your ballot is the ballot they should make extra sure to fuck with. Are we trying to save America or what?
Exactly, they don't need to know you support Trump
Same. It's not accomplishing anything, the polling place is not a rally. Go in, be polite to people, vote, and get out. Antagonizing people only increases the likelihood of backlash and fuckery.
I'm pulling my MAGA hat out after I walk away from the ballot box. Fuckers can't do shit after that.
Why? That gives exit pollsters accurate data that they shouldn't have.
Also, they can "lose" your ballot in the transition to the counting center.
Best if nobody knows. Red tsunami.
Additionally, nobody is going to think they're cool for it. Just vote, keep your politics to yourself in line. In red areas, you don't have to worry, but it's still not appropriate. In blue areas, you're just vastly increasing your chances of fuckery.
The people at the box couldn't see me when I left. My town is pretty red, I didn't get any reactions walking out other than positive ones. No exit pollsters either.
Now you are a slick operator.
I did it! No problems.
exactly, i speak out and don't wear my mask and never wear it over my nose if i just want to get done with shit. it's amazing how no one says shit to me without the nose covered and barely a squabble outside of door checkers. Just take it off inside, never on nose. Most stores i can just walk in...
but today i just put my mask in like a ninja, still not overt my nose and got my vote in. That said i was impressed with lots of elder pedes not wearing there's outside in line. Where i come from that's a good sign.
Great job. We have the smartest voters.
No. As much as I admire this pede, and I do. In Minnesota, anyone showing up with MAGA gear is going to get challenged and it's we'll lose more cases than win because the entirety of Ellison's bureaucracy is against us. Tell Minnesota Pedes to leave the MAGA gear at home.
I disagree. I think you should be able to wear whatever you want to the polls. I should be able to wear my trump gear, someone else should be allowed to wear their biden gear. You should be able to wear what you want and I think any laws trying to steal your freedom no matter where you are in the usa are illegal. That goes for polling places too. I will not be controlled lmao.
Of course places might have laws saying you can't do that but then I could just claim youre tshirt is political even if its blank. Thats why I think all those laws are illegal. You have freedom everywhere. People who say you shouldn't be able to wear a trump hat to the polls are the same people telling you there is such thing as "common sense gun control" when all gun control is the opposite of common sense lmao.
Don't let anyone tell you that you have freedom EXCEPT WHEREEVER THEY DEEM NESSESSARY. Thats not how it works. You have freedom of speech always all the time this is what Twitter and reddit and instagram don't get. We all grew up knowing we are all free as long as our freedom doesn't infringe on someone else's. So why does Facebook freedom of speech have priority over my own? We each get to have an opinion by the Consitution of the United States. You should be allowed to wear your trump hat, someone else should be able to where their biden hat. In a perfect undemocrat controlled world there wouldn't even be rules like that on the books or even be a concern. Freedom, man..
Id just wear a flag shirt. Its as lethal as a crucifix.
Stand your ground!
Absolutely not. Although I wish the practices in Minnesota would see MAGA gear as apolitical as the see BLM gear, the fact is, anyone with MAGA gear will challenged and the election judges will gang up and throw the Trump supporter out, most likely. Do not give election judges in Minnesota a reason to challenge a voter.
I don't know what it's like where you live but Minnesota Trump supporters are fighting an uphill battle in some areas and Keith Ellison is our DA. The election judges are mostly DFL activist types. Don't give them a reason to throw a Trump supporter out.
Karens should always be leashed and muzzled.
Ugh. Why are the women on the left always shaped like a sack of potatoes and insist on have a 15 year old boy haircut.
To appeal to the typical Democratic male of course.
because they are a sack of potatoes.
I'd eat an actual sack of potatoes, though.
I know exactly what you mean! :)
This is a USSC decision. Maybe legal Pede has time to summarize 8n layspeach the court's finding and what it means for wearing apparel at polling places.
Court found that the law was too vague and did not apply to voters. In Burnson v. Freeman, Scalia upheld that in Tennessee a 100 campaigning free zone was permissible to ensure secrecy of personal ballots and the process. This was cited as presidence and did not apply to individual voters as it violates the Free Speech clause of the 1st Amendment.
So, the common thought process in the country is: You cannot wear anything that shows support for one candidate over the other.
Are you saying this was completely overturned in the USSC decision.
Meaning: Regardless of which State I live in, I may go vote wearing a MAGA Hat?
In California (of all places) I was told I must remove / turn inside out my DILLY DILLY trump shirt: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0824/6367/products/trump_dilly_-_girls_tees--black.png?v=1517848572 because it's "electioneering" to campaign for a candidate at a polling place... But I was allowed to keep my red KEEP AMERICA GREAT hat since it does not prominently show or mention a candidate.
I'm going to run for office and my politics apparel is going to be blank tshirts and blue jeans so everyone has to show up to the polls nude lmao
Pede, I'm really glad you did this but Minnesota pedes, do not wear any MAGA gear. It is almost certain you'll be challenged and they'll try to kick you off the grounds. Avoid the challenge and just leave the MAGA gear at home. If you see anyone being challenged and know how to argue their case by bringing up the lawsuit, and by know, I mean you have a background in law, help a pede out. However, I'm telling your right now, they are trying to throw us out if we were MAGA gear. I know the lefties are all wearing BLM gear but to most election judges, BLM gear is non political but MAGA gear is. Avoid the challenge and leave the MAGA gear at home.
just for anyone reading this not taking your advice, even if they try to enforce the law, the law does not allow for them to kick you out, only take your information down.
You're right but don't count on election judges actually following the law in certain counties. Remember, Hennepin County found ballots in a car trunk days after the election and that's how Franken got in. So please, for today, just for today, pedes in Minnesota, especially in Ramsey, Dakota and Hennepin Counties need to just leave it all at home.
Here's how you'll know it's fraud if fraud happens in Minnesota. This is based on my many years of working in MN politics. Usually the last region called is the Iron Range...if the Iron Range is called before Hennepin County and Hennepin County is hours late (or even days like 2016), Hennepin County "found" ballots. So please, please, don't encourage people especially in those counties to do anything that could spoil their ballot or get them removed, even if the removal isn't legal. The DFL doesn't care. They'd rather be illegal and win than follow the law and lose. Like I said, it's an uphill battle in certain places in Minnesota.
MAGA doesn't promote any specific candidate.
Trump's name isn't specifically stamped on that.
Biden could've used it, but he and his party place America at spots other than #1 on their priority list.
I know what you're saying is true, but this is in Minnesota. The election judges are all heavily DFL and they will challenge any Trump supporter who comes in with MAGA gear. We need out pedes to get ballots to vote and they won't give a ballot to someone who has MAGA gear. For today, and only today, in Minnesota, leave the MAGA Gear at home and go in stealth.
Submarine time!
Run silent, run deep.
Good for you but I don't think that maga hats belong in the voting place. Also why would you want to advertise your vote so publicly you will get specifically targeted for them to throw your ballot out the second you turn around.
Put it on when you're walking out.
Lmao
It's sad that Making America Great isn't a common goal for both parties. I mean, it doesn't SAY Trump, why are they assuming? Does wearing Black Lives Matter shit get you harassed as well? Not many Trump voters wearing that shit.
Because they clearly want to burn America to the ground to the tune of 6 billion in damages and countless in injuries
My voting mask has a picture of Trump and the white house. All I got was compliments! PA voters can wear whatever they want to. Go ahead commies, FAFO!
Don’t go with MAGA gear!!!! This is how they find tour ballot and toss it out!!!
Go stealth, today, Pedes! MAGA gear can stay home. Don't give the Commies a clue as to how you're going to vote.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I really see no need to push the rules in this way. We have enough shit to contend with without creating controversy at polling locations.
Is this only applicable in your state or will it work everywhere?
Just Minnesota. Tennessee already had theirs with Burnson v. Freeman.
don't do what retarded OP did. OP is armchair lawyer. Don't wear political gear to polls, anywhere. Stay neutral, vote and leave.
Real talk. Does an american flag on my shirt count as campaigning for Trump?
In Minnesota, at a lot of polling stations, yes, it does. Minnesota Pedes, especially ones in Ramsey, Dakota and Hennepin counties need to go in stealth and avoid being challenged.
Agree. I stealthed in with a white hoodie on. No need to draw attention to my ballot in any way.
Good for you, HockeyMom! Better safe than sorry and I really, really, really hope we go red today.
I would love to see MN red for once! It would be HUGE!
That's a good way to have your vote discarded. If I was voting in person I'd go as incognito as possible, just look at all the libtards that steal trump signs, they are motivated and have no integrity.
Especially in Minnesota.
bro you might get your ballot tossed
I’m good. They are scanned into a sealed metal box that none of the poll workers there can access. It was pretty secure. I got to verify it was accepted and secured.
They can still put your name aside and hand over a list of ballots that the official counters should "lose" in the counting center.
The lock box is not secure.
I wouldn't try this in a blue jurisdiction unless I was an activist trying to litigate a specific outcome. Don't give them an excuse to mess with you. Just go in, do the needful, and enjoy the saltworks tonight.
Outside the polling place, feel free.
Still better to leave that in the car.
Wearing your MAGA gear to the polls might seem like a good idea.
But it'll just encourage them to declare your ballot damaged, lose it or help 'correct' it for you after you leave.
Your vote is more important than any hat. Wear a plain red shirt and vote if you want to make a statement.
I know some states you absolutely can't come in with any political signs or apparel.
Awesome. Good job.
In Texas, you cant wear candidate apparel in the polling station. Outside, its ok.
In short it states "suck on deez cuck."
Greeting from southern Minnesota. Haven't been up to Burnsville since Baker Square closed. MAGA fellow pede!
WE ARE TURNING MINNESOTA RED.
Haha, how hilarious. Good for you for being prepared, and having a helper take the photo! (and sharing here, high energy)
Please tell me that wild Karen didn't wear a mask & you called them a "Wild Karen" to their face lol
LMAO
Yep, MN here...lots of MAGA hats at polling stations. We don't care, we are done with this liberal BS
do you not know what happens in Hennepin County? If you want your vote to count and you want Trump to win Minnesota, GO STEALTH! The entire apparatus of the state is set up to disadvantage Trump voters. The DA is Ellison and the Governor is Walz, why would you have a "I don't care" attitude. Have that attitude after we win, not today.
You do as you want to do...I didn't wear my gear, I'm just telling you what I saw. I live on thedonald so I headed the warning of no gear being worn. But I don't talk down to those who do wear their gear, isn't illegal and shouldn't be frowned upon. So I appreciate your comment but I think it is falling on the wrong ears.
I know I ruffled feathers. I will not live in fear. Also, Burnsville MN, pretty secury. No fuckery, ballots box worked, and they cant fish it out. You are required to stay and make sure it is accepted. Mine was and I was on my way.
Same Same Pede
Know this everyone!
she was actually timid and I was polite to her. She let it go quickly.
I won’t live in fear. Fuck commies.
I paid attention and my ballot info was never marked down, I got to see the screen for checking registration, signed my receipt which I read and the poll checker. No fuckery. I’m confident my vote won’t be tampered with.
I have read the entirety of the decision and understand how it affects MINNESOTA only. I’m not an armchair lawyer, I am a court expert in explosives and forensic scientist. I am very familiar with the law. I will not claim to be a lawyer though.
Still love everyone here! GO MAGA PEDES!!!!!! So thank you for kind words and also making sure others don’t fuck around. I was confident I what I was doing and I merely wanted to share what went down!
I'd advise pedes not to show their power levels here. You may be targeted for harassment, and at worst you may get your ballot tampered with or lost.
But there's no need to do this, and no need to tell them you're a target for disappearing your vote or whatever.
i hope you told that fat bitch to get steppin and smirked big right in her face :)
She was timid and I was polite. I made a joke of the whole thing, but if I can kill them with kidness, Ill do that before I start the whirly bird blades.
I love pictures of pedes out winning!!
you can always tell a liberal woman just by looking at them
Well done pede, well done 👏..👏..👏..
And aren't all these poll workers volunteers? You made your point but was it really worth it? I tucked mine in my sweat shirt until I got back outside and then just smiled, knowing I did the right thing. Still get out and VOTE.
Factual information is a helluva weapon. Well done!
Go stealth. Even if it's legal, they can make things difficult or target your ballot for spoiling. Don't take a chance.
I had all my maga gear on and a mask with an image of Trump and the white house. No problem in PA.
Haha. Just look at that fucking goblin.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/401099-man-incorrectly-turned-away-from-polling-location-over-maga-hat