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aparition42 13 points ago +14 / -1

It's a LARP. The people pushing it have no idea how our elections actually work.

Each state holds open bids for contracts for a printing company to make ballots. Those ballots are made with industrial printing presses, not printers.

Every state makes way more ballots than they actually need to make sure no one runs out.

In most states, there's no difference between mail-in and in person, but even where there is a difference, they print way more mail in than they need as well.

The ballots have to be filled in with a pen, they can't be printed already filled in or it would be painfully obvious. Also, if they printed extra ballots, than there would be too many unused ballots after the election.

The fraudulent votes are on real, official ballots that were stolen months ago by the same dem local governments that are now "finding" them at 4 in the morning.

If they can sneak in boxes of filled out boxes at 4 in the morning after election night with the whole country paying attention, then they can easily steal several boxes of official blank ballots while they're pre-staging the polling places and mailing out absentee and mail in ballots in the several months before the election when there are no opposition party observers anywhere around.

The watermark LARP accomplishes two things for the dems.

  1. it makes our side look like crazy RWNJ conspiracy theorists spouting an easily debunked lie

  2. it subliminally primes people to accept that votes on real official ballots must be real votes.

Together, these two points will be used to claim that all the found votes were completely legit and even the Pro-Trump nutjobs have to admit that the fake printed ballots don't exist.

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aparition42 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hidden markers" are irrelevant because the fake votes are on real ballots. There's no reason to make counterfeit ballots when they can easily grab real official ballots months in advance.

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magamagashii 1 point ago +2 / -1

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JcO72tW4scA&t=335s

This video the ballot printing company put together disagrees with you on key points. Specifically, for the mail-in ballots they only print one per voter and the printer even labels it and handles the data.

The mail-in votes are the ones that are stupidly pro-Biden, so those are the ones to watch out for.

YES, if the ballot was stolen out of the mailbox, is a dead guy, or was a nice nurse "assisting" patients in her assisted living facility then this stuff won't help. HOWEVER, it looks like that won't matter as they are doing tens of thousands of votes in a way this method WILL detect.

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aparition42 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is a link to an advertisement for a printer. Each state has its own contract with an independent printing contractor. The state orders a certain number of ballots, and they all get printed off at once.

Ballots in most states have no identifying marks on the actual ballot in order to preserve voter anonymity. What he's talking about labelling is the ballot envelope and other paperwork such as affidavits. In most states the actual ballot itself is identical to the in-person election day ballot.

He actually says they print 20,000 at a time and then box them up. They are not printed on-demand one per customer.

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magamagashii 1 point ago +2 / -1

...I just clicked it again and was brought to the correct video.

Just in case, it's titled "Building of a ballot at Runbeck Election Services"

Watch the video again, you either missed the important parts or are working for Shareblue. They are put in larger boxes because it's all presort mail. The printers basically do the postal services job of sorting the mail into the individual mail routes to save on shipping....

That's how ALL mass mail is done. Presorted by zip code at a minimum, but large companies like catalog printers actually do it by individual mail routes

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aparition42 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah, that video is an AD for that printer. Each election different printing companies compete for each of the states' contract to print ballots. This is one of many such companies.

But even in this ad where a ballot printer brags about how their ballots can't be faked, it doesn't contradict anything I'm saying. The dems' aren't printing fake ballots. They just take a bunch of real blank ballots and fill them out.

Think of it like dollars. No embedded counterfeit prevention is relevant if they're stolen rather than counterfeited.

The same dem local governments that are defrauding the votes were in charge of ordering the number of ballots they needed and staging them at the polling places before the election. They've had access to the real blank ballots for months now. The fake votes are on real ballots.

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magamagashii 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's an informational video--and this company apparently does 70 million ballots. Which means there's a damn good chance these states are using this printer, and I'm thinking that each state only contracts with a single printer for simplicity.

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aparition42 3 points ago +3 / -0

Do you also think the "ask your doctor about" informational videos made by pharmaceutical companies aren't ads?

Who tells the printer how many to print and where to send them? The same dem local governments that are filling out the fraudulent votes and sneaking them in with the real ones.

The security of the printing company is irrelevant.

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magamagashii 1 point ago +1 / -0

Okay, watch the video. After the cutoff date for mail-in voting the database is uploaded to the printer. The printer also gets thousands of PDFs for each district, but that's all they need, the voter roll and a ballot design for that district.

As I said, the ballots are PRESORTED. Based on street address their machines sort them into individual mail routes, which are bundled together into boxes and then pallets for an individual post office.

The point is, THOSE printers only printed the required number of ballots for mail-in voting only (NOT in-person which is done multiple ways).

Mail-in ballots are how they are cheating...so that's what we are interested in. EVERY mail-in ballot in a district was printed on ONE printer in ONE batch.

The ballots are mailed, filled out, returned, scanned in, and then removed from the envelopes (Which are saved) and then UNIDENTIFIABLE BALLOTS are scanned into the machines and saved separately. I didn't do mail-in voting but I believe the signature is on the envelope---not the ballot.

The way to cheat would be print up your own blank ballots, fill them out in advance and have boxes and boxes of them in a back room. At some point a cart of ballots already removed from the envelopes is pushed into the back room, Trump votes are pulled out and an equal number of Biden ballots are swapped in...you push the cart back to the scanner, scan it and file the ballots. You now have cheated but it can't be proven....

EXCEPT that the ballots you swapped in weren't printed on the original printer. If THAT is examined then you are busted....which is the whole point.

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SwedishCrusader 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's speculation at best.

We shouldn't talk about it, cuz if it happens it happens no matter what we say. If it doesn't happen then we give them credibility and look like morons.

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SirDonaldJTrump 4 points ago +5 / -1

Its a hoax or nothing burger. Ballots are sent by states, not by DHS. Each state prints their own ballots . Some weak shit is being played, dont fall for it. This hoax is probably created by Democrats to waste conservatives time

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Scalpmaster 2 points ago +2 / -0

The ballots have watermarks. Liberals probably didn’t know.

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44gms 1 point ago +2 / -1

Just seen a video showing what appears to be a watermark on a ballot strip. 4D chess

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webthing 0 points ago +2 / -2

Ballots, like money, are printed on special fraud-resistant paper, with particular size, thickness, weight, texture, color, and formats made to exact specifications. Furthermore, the paper is impressed with unique identifiers, such as watermarks, that certify it as an official ballot.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/10346-ballots-are-secure-knowledge-on-vote-by-mail-is

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aparition42 4 points ago +4 / -0

And none of that matters because the dems just took home boxes and boxes of real ballots to fill out their fake votes over the last few months since the ballots were printed and distributed to the districts.

Every election each state prints way more ballots than are necessary. They didn't hit their officemax inkjet and print several hundred ballots and fill them out in a few hours on election night.

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FuccBoiii 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's just a theory for now, not confirmed: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpBIG1uS/cisa-dhs-sent-the-ballots-blockc/

Here's a post from a pede trying to prove that it could be true: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpBIG1Vk/please-look-at-this-i-think-the-/c/

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magamagashii -1 points ago +1 / -2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

People are saying the ballots have a secret watermark as very few companies do the printing...one major one in particular did 200 million ballots. If the ballots have been replaced by fakes, they would be missing the watermark and could be identified.

As an IT guy I realized that ALL printers today leave their own watermark....so really, the real ballots wouldn't have it while fake ballots certainly would....even if they looked PRETTY real it's doubtful they are perfect.

If they replaced tens of thousands of ballots and this is true, Trump was just waiting for election day so they would actually perform the cheat and destroy the real ballots so they have no way out.

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webthing 0 points ago +2 / -2

Ballots, like money, are printed on special fraud-resistant paper, with particular size, thickness, weight, texture, color, and formats made to exact specifications. Furthermore, the paper is impressed with unique identifiers, such as watermarks, that certify it as an official ballot.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/10346-ballots-are-secure-knowledge-on-vote-by-mail-is