And they were REALLY last minute about making such a statement too. How convenient that over 100 million people had already done early voting and who knows how many mail-in ballots were already sent by then.
Nope. Either invalidate the votes in the areas where the votes are contested for voter fraud and they cannot verify, or the state legislature can declare the vote tainted and chose to give the electors to Trump.
State legislatures in AZ, GA, MI, PA, and WI are controlled by the GOP. The Constitution gives the state legislation the power to assign the electors. I don't even think the Governor can even veto it as the US Constitution omits the governors involvement.
They'll just advance their cheating tactics, ramp up their propaganda campaign, silence all opposition, and possibly deploy a real virus to worry about. Party of crime
Election security and following the law are far more important than feelings of unity. Fraud needs to be exposed for what it is, not swept under the rug to start over.
Good point. A strictly monitored do-over would provide a control dataset against which the fraudulent one can be compared. As an added bonus, it would be valid and compelling evidence in court when these criminals are tried.
A completely honest repeat election would provide a solid point of comparison to the fraudulent one. There could be no doubt or wiggle room that the first election was fraudulent on an epic scale, and it would help to convict the fraudsters.
There is no way to correct fraud on this scale. Hundreds of thousands of fake ballots have been mixed in, no tracing available, they would have to not only recount but actually verify each vote to check if the person really voted or if it was a late-night addition.
No way for the courts resolve it without pretty much everyone in those states being unsure of whether their vote counted.
i keep seeing this - but I don't see how this is feasible. Ballots are printed all over the place by 100's of different printers, where can I find information on the DHS role here - I haven't been able to find anything obvious so far.
if that watergate2020 thing is real, than sure we won't need any second election because DHS will be arresting all the election officials across like 5 states.
but come on, things that cool don't happen in real life. I bet it was a troll idea that went viral.
Not just a national do-over but a temporary nullification of sec 230 and an EO ordering all broadcast, print and internet media outlets to accurately and fairly cover Trump and his accomplishments for once or face getting seized and shut down and to report the Biden corruption. After all that then we hold a new election Jan 3 with military oversight.
So? The ones trying to steal the election are the real fascists and they have been screaming for 5 years. Our entire Republic is at stake so fuck them.
Cancel all registrations. Re-register in person with ID, and utility bill, etc. Give two weeks to do this.
Then, new election, in person and verified absentees only. If not voted by poll close, it does not count. Period.
No rest breaks, must be counted asap.
Secret/anonymous ballets means anyone can fill out a stack of ballots and stuff them in the box, and there's no way to prove the real from the fraud. Even checking every name on the roles wouldn't stop this type of cheating.
So your options for tampered elections with secret ballots is to A) do nothing or B) throw them all out and try again.
the main argument is the cost - a NA-only-travel passport is roughly 50 dollars, which is about 49.95 dollars more than just printing out voter ids for people. international passport runs up to 100+ depending on where you are at.
No taxes to vote.
Honestly, i think we should just have federal pay for every citizens voter id
the purpose of the serial numbers are to ensure the quantity of ballots produced match the quantity of ballots used & leftover. there is no personal information on the actual ballot that would identify someone.
I would agree if every single citizen who votes is video recorded signing with a a valid ID. And the voting is done by hand, NO computers, and then a real bipartisan panel chosen by the community does the counting and reporting.
We need this. We need observers in every leftist stronghold. We get a fair election and we can get the House back as well thanks to red districts in CA, WA, and OR that get fucked by local politics.
We need to take people out of the voting experience as much as possible. People just cannot be trusted anymore.
All of the systems we have pretty much assume an honest and impartial person involved in the system. There isn't enough verification possibilities to truly ensure that there are one person one ballot. Also no way to control mail in ballots wrt other people filling them out, coercion, bribery, etc. It would be so easy to sell a vote in our current system with almost no chance to ever be caught.
The system is broken - because the country is broken. The flesh is weak - people, given the opportunity, will too easily fall to the lure of power. Think about it - these people think they are heros if they can get the result of beating Trump.
If we could get turnout, in person with ID, of course, up into the 90 percentile range, it would be much harder to cheat. We've been leaving 30-50% of the vote on the table to be stolen. It's pretty obvious with this one, dems are cheating as normal, but there was a much higher turnout on our side, and so we're seeing insane numbers like 200% turnout in places.
But taking the vote out of the hands of the people is non option to me. We need to get better at turnout,l and educating voters, which means removing dems and MSM from the equation.
I won’t believe any election going forward with the cheating Democrats in charge of the voting and the counting.
The entire voting process needs to be re-configured. Right down to the local polling places.
The “do-over” election needs to be run by the military.
A do over is truly the only way that anyone will have any confidence in this election. If Biden is pronounced the winner Trump supporters will not accept it due to the massive evidence of voter fraud. If Trump is announced the winner then Democrats will say he stole it.
Either way we will have two people who claim to be President and chaos will ensue.
Do over! No mail in ballots! Time is of the essence!
Why not? CDC made it CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR that "muh Covid" isn't an issue. This whole thing is a shitshow.
Exactly. A Revote without mail-in ballots. Election results have to come in the same night.
Landslide and House majority incoming.
And they were REALLY last minute about making such a statement too. How convenient that over 100 million people had already done early voting and who knows how many mail-in ballots were already sent by then.
Nope. Either invalidate the votes in the areas where the votes are contested for voter fraud and they cannot verify, or the state legislature can declare the vote tainted and chose to give the electors to Trump.
State legislatures in AZ, GA, MI, PA, and WI are controlled by the GOP. The Constitution gives the state legislation the power to assign the electors. I don't even think the Governor can even veto it as the US Constitution omits the governors involvement.
Nah, Trump won election day and this will be even clearer when the fraudulent ballots added are removed.
A re-do is still a concession to the cheating side.
They'll just advance their cheating tactics, ramp up their propaganda campaign, silence all opposition, and possibly deploy a real virus to worry about. Party of crime
A do-over is probably the best thing for reuniting the country. It also means we get to beat them one more time.
Election security and following the law are far more important than feelings of unity. Fraud needs to be exposed for what it is, not swept under the rug to start over.
A do-over with proper oversight would eliminate a lot of fraudent ballots definitively.
Plus we would probably get back a ton of other stolen seats in the house & senate.
And it would be plain as day how much fraud was committed when you compare the Nov 3 election with the do over.
I say why not both? Do over and investigate the fraud.
Good point. A strictly monitored do-over would provide a control dataset against which the fraudulent one can be compared. As an added bonus, it would be valid and compelling evidence in court when these criminals are tried.
in person only - purple thumbs - i dont trust these fuckers
No way in hell. They cheated so they lost. They're lucky to not be losing their lives
We would probably flip the house if we have a fair do over
We may still flip the house if we have a thorough recount...
A completely honest repeat election would provide a solid point of comparison to the fraudulent one. There could be no doubt or wiggle room that the first election was fraudulent on an epic scale, and it would help to convict the fraudsters.
Agreed
been saying this since last morning.
There is no way to correct fraud on this scale. Hundreds of thousands of fake ballots have been mixed in, no tracing available, they would have to not only recount but actually verify each vote to check if the person really voted or if it was a late-night addition.
No way for the courts resolve it without pretty much everyone in those states being unsure of whether their vote counted.
May be ultraviolet markers on all the ballots. DHS was in charge of producing ballots.
i keep seeing this - but I don't see how this is feasible. Ballots are printed all over the place by 100's of different printers, where can I find information on the DHS role here - I haven't been able to find anything obvious so far.
if that watergate2020 thing is real, than sure we won't need any second election because DHS will be arresting all the election officials across like 5 states.
but come on, things that cool don't happen in real life. I bet it was a troll idea that went viral.
Could be. All I've seen about it has been on here.
Yes- December 1.
Not just a national do-over but a temporary nullification of sec 230 and an EO ordering all broadcast, print and internet media outlets to accurately and fairly cover Trump and his accomplishments for once or face getting seized and shut down and to report the Biden corruption. After all that then we hold a new election Jan 3 with military oversight.
lol the cries of "fascist" would be heard on mars.
So? The ones trying to steal the election are the real fascists and they have been screaming for 5 years. Our entire Republic is at stake so fuck them.
Could they be any louder than they are already?
Cancel all registrations. Re-register in person with ID, and utility bill, etc. Give two weeks to do this. Then, new election, in person and verified absentees only. If not voted by poll close, it does not count. Period. No rest breaks, must be counted asap.
GEOTUS won. its now about punishing the corrupt traitors
Secret/anonymous ballets means anyone can fill out a stack of ballots and stuff them in the box, and there's no way to prove the real from the fraud. Even checking every name on the roles wouldn't stop this type of cheating.
So your options for tampered elections with secret ballots is to A) do nothing or B) throw them all out and try again.
Suspend the election do-over until Covid is "officially" over. That will motivate the Democrats to stop pretending that Covid is a real thing
IN PERSON.
WITH A PASSPORT.
INKED FINGER.
FIXED NUMBER OF BALLOTS WITH SERIAL NUMBERS.
2X PERSON FROM EACH PARTY WITNESSING EACH BALLOT COUNT.
IF THE MIDDLE EAST CAN DO IT, AMERICA CAN DO IT.
FUCK THAT I DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT.
or gov't issued ID with a photo and proof of residence.Scratch that. GET ONE. You had 4 years to prepare and it's not like you didn't know when the election was.
you must not be from the US the majority of americans do not have/need passports.
Nope, Canada. But it’s a 99.99% guaranteed way to eliminate any doubt about citizenship and proof of residency.. people should get them
the main argument is the cost - a NA-only-travel passport is roughly 50 dollars, which is about 49.95 dollars more than just printing out voter ids for people. international passport runs up to 100+ depending on where you are at.
No taxes to vote.
Honestly, i think we should just have federal pay for every citizens voter id
Serial numbers would compromise anonymity. The ballot may no longer be secret.
the purpose of the serial numbers are to ensure the quantity of ballots produced match the quantity of ballots used & leftover. there is no personal information on the actual ballot that would identify someone.
FUCK DO OVERS. If you cheat you lose. PERIOD. Fuck that! Automatic disqualification NO REFUNDS GET THE FUCK OUT.
Watch them censor that for some reason. There's not even any context, lol.
Can you provide a link or a citation to that please? That is important information.
I would agree if every single citizen who votes is video recorded signing with a a valid ID. And the voting is done by hand, NO computers, and then a real bipartisan panel chosen by the community does the counting and reporting.
We need this. We need observers in every leftist stronghold. We get a fair election and we can get the House back as well thanks to red districts in CA, WA, and OR that get fucked by local politics.
Lmao the Left will fight a do over with every fiber in their being, not happening
We need to take people out of the voting experience as much as possible. People just cannot be trusted anymore.
All of the systems we have pretty much assume an honest and impartial person involved in the system. There isn't enough verification possibilities to truly ensure that there are one person one ballot. Also no way to control mail in ballots wrt other people filling them out, coercion, bribery, etc. It would be so easy to sell a vote in our current system with almost no chance to ever be caught.
The system is broken - because the country is broken. The flesh is weak - people, given the opportunity, will too easily fall to the lure of power. Think about it - these people think they are heros if they can get the result of beating Trump.
If we could get turnout, in person with ID, of course, up into the 90 percentile range, it would be much harder to cheat. We've been leaving 30-50% of the vote on the table to be stolen. It's pretty obvious with this one, dems are cheating as normal, but there was a much higher turnout on our side, and so we're seeing insane numbers like 200% turnout in places.
But taking the vote out of the hands of the people is non option to me. We need to get better at turnout,l and educating voters, which means removing dems and MSM from the equation.
Trump needs to invoke the MAGA MULLIGAN.
In person!
No need. Disqualify the states that couldn't handle their elections, leave it to their state legislature.
Yes but what about disabled immigrants who can't drive? reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
What I said yesterday. Whatever it costs in time and money, it's better than whatever is going to happen if Biden is declared the winner.
It’s not a do over. It’s 51 do overs. Who orders 51 do overs? Legal authority? Feasibility before constitutional deadlines?
We won in fact on 11/3. Focus on demonstrating that by count or recount or judicial order on a state by state basis.
Is a do over even possible constitutionally?
Do over with NO mail-in ballots allowed (except overseas military).
If Trump had delayed, that would have made HIM look bad. This is make THEM look bad. This is better.
Not everyone lives in a city - In some parts of Texas, you'd have to drive 6 hours each way to reach a stadium qualified enough for this.
I won’t believe any election going forward with the cheating Democrats in charge of the voting and the counting. The entire voting process needs to be re-configured. Right down to the local polling places. The “do-over” election needs to be run by the military.
Oh I'd easily go out and vote again. It took me 15 minutes.
We at least need to do over the contested States
NO. NO "DO OVER". WE FUCKING WON.
So he will win three elections 👍👍😂
No do over.
We won, and every blue district must be under strict scrutiny especially those districts that have held the same corrupt ghouls for 25+ years.
For sure.
A do over is truly the only way that anyone will have any confidence in this election. If Biden is pronounced the winner Trump supporters will not accept it due to the massive evidence of voter fraud. If Trump is announced the winner then Democrats will say he stole it.
Either way we will have two people who claim to be President and chaos will ensue.
Do over! No mail in ballots! Time is of the essence!
Only if every state accepts photo ID laws and no mail voting.
Do over with teams from the states that reported in on Election Night running the elections for states that can't finish their counts.
With rules this time.
I'm 100% behind Tom except now we won this.
We can win it again.