I agree but you do have to prove intent
I don’t want some ID theft to cause me to be presumed guilty
I moved out of OC California and it took me two tries to tell them I moved and was not a resident
I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent me a ballot to my old address and if someone voted it then a problem for me? Typical democratic bullshit.
But if proven to vote twice then yes jail time and pernaban from future voting
Yeah, gotta be careful. I have moved from my home state a few years back and have emailed, called, and filled out forms after my parents received voter registration info after two years of not living there. I've done this twice, it's now 5 years since changing residence and I'm still active in my home state.
I understand. That’s why we need to put into place methods, processes and structure that makes it easy for people to properly and quickly manage their details, correct issues and other things.
Aside from making it easy and secure to change your election details, I’m talking wholesale changes to the system - obviously things like voter ID, transparency, etc, but also make it easy to fire government employees, mandate immediate changes to the system, change a shit ton of voting procedures and laws - make them national. Mandate election education in schools for a system designed to be hardened and unchanging across the country effective at all levels of government. Establish actual voting and election centers with town halls and other amenities so voters can interact with the process and politicians.
Your point stands and is valid, we’d need to figure that out, but I’d hope we could make it much easier to determine intent and minimize false prosecution. But there should be a wide range of penalties and punishments for all the variety of fraud.
I bet plenty of double votes we not by the same person. Stolen identity and the pedocrats are real, real things we do nothing to stop. Real things we talk big about but never stand up against
Sounds good and all, but what if somebody's ID got stolen -- a friend of my son and first time voter (so first time registering to vote) got a message about their mail-in ballot, that it had been invalidated because the signature didn't line up with the voter registration signature...now, if he was already "registered", they should have informed him before he registered "again", and it should have been looked into before a ballot was even cast.
Lots of stinky shit has been going on -- I don't want to go after somebody who might be innocent. Let's go after the grand poobahs first.
Yeah, if you physically go to the polls twice to vote, sure, jail time. Absolutely.
But I don't want some poll worker to be able to submit a duplicate ballot to mine because he doesn't like the way I look and have me sent to jail that easily.
Agree but not. Watched OANN where a lady moved and found out someone voted for her in another state. She was complaining as a Trump support. Obviously, we don't want her thrown in jail.
I agree but you do have to prove intent I don’t want some ID theft to cause me to be presumed guilty I moved out of OC California and it took me two tries to tell them I moved and was not a resident I wouldn’t be surprised if they sent me a ballot to my old address and if someone voted it then a problem for me? Typical democratic bullshit.
But if proven to vote twice then yes jail time and pernaban from future voting
Agreed, but we need hardening processes to make it much easier to prove intent.
Yeah, gotta be careful. I have moved from my home state a few years back and have emailed, called, and filled out forms after my parents received voter registration info after two years of not living there. I've done this twice, it's now 5 years since changing residence and I'm still active in my home state.
I understand. That’s why we need to put into place methods, processes and structure that makes it easy for people to properly and quickly manage their details, correct issues and other things.
Aside from making it easy and secure to change your election details, I’m talking wholesale changes to the system - obviously things like voter ID, transparency, etc, but also make it easy to fire government employees, mandate immediate changes to the system, change a shit ton of voting procedures and laws - make them national. Mandate election education in schools for a system designed to be hardened and unchanging across the country effective at all levels of government. Establish actual voting and election centers with town halls and other amenities so voters can interact with the process and politicians.
Your point stands and is valid, we’d need to figure that out, but I’d hope we could make it much easier to determine intent and minimize false prosecution. But there should be a wide range of penalties and punishments for all the variety of fraud.
I bet plenty of double votes we not by the same person. Stolen identity and the pedocrats are real, real things we do nothing to stop. Real things we talk big about but never stand up against
Sounds good and all, but what if somebody's ID got stolen -- a friend of my son and first time voter (so first time registering to vote) got a message about their mail-in ballot, that it had been invalidated because the signature didn't line up with the voter registration signature...now, if he was already "registered", they should have informed him before he registered "again", and it should have been looked into before a ballot was even cast.
Lots of stinky shit has been going on -- I don't want to go after somebody who might be innocent. Let's go after the grand poobahs first.
Good point.
I do not consider this a double vote. This could easily be corrected/verified, and then all his votes could be invalidated and his real one cast.
My statement is for known, provable double votes. And I believe this would rely on the state to prove it. So, signature matching, for example.
If we have proper voter id, this all goes away.
Yeah, if you physically go to the polls twice to vote, sure, jail time. Absolutely.
But I don't want some poll worker to be able to submit a duplicate ballot to mine because he doesn't like the way I look and have me sent to jail that easily.
Agree but not. Watched OANN where a lady moved and found out someone voted for her in another state. She was complaining as a Trump support. Obviously, we don't want her thrown in jail.
Of course not.
In order to institute this, we need strong voter ID.
Exactly. Make it BURN.