So what happens to the house and senate seats in this scenario? There were plenty of things voted on state by state besides the presidency. I wonder what will happen to them if the election is declared fubard.
Good question. Maybe only the presidential election is called into question. I'm not aware that there are any mechanics installed to apply to House or Senate races. But there is this process for the POTUS determination. So my guess is they won't be affected, as the contested status only applies to the electoral college process.
The most likely scenario is that Pennsylvania would directly appoint electors. The better question is what happen to Senate and House races that are impacted by ballots being thrown out.
This. Admittedly I have no legal education, but I would think that if the court looked at enough information and saw the results were just obviously fucked (i.e. mixed up ballots, no proven chains of custody, etc.) they just say, "We're throwing all this trash out cause there's no way to know what's real and what isn't it."
They can’t backdate the total ballot counts though - if the SOS office was saying there were 3 million ballots cast at 8pm on election night but they try to claim there was 4 million via backdating then that obviously isn’t going to fly.
“Wow! How coincidental! All the ballots that arrived late were for trump! Good thing we totally segregated them ahead of time and we had the stack ready to go!”
Exactly. Proof it never had integrity isn't justification to accept polluted results. It's the exact opposite. That's why they did it, they want people to get upset that integrity will be maintained.
I hadn't thought of it that way. If we prove the Democrats cheated, it's unreasonable to assume they didn't need to to win the election. SCOTUS should rule that we automatically win, if they can find any legal reasoning along these lines.
If they were mixed, that election is now tainted
Poisoning the well.
Democrats: [poison the well]
Conservatives: “hey this well has been poisoned!”
Democrats: “This is republican voter suppression!”
"Why would Republicans do this?"
Why would Trump do this?
Excellent.
As a legal 'pede, this pleases me
Could mean that due to inability to determine the winner, PA electors might cast no vote in the electoral college.
Or the election as a whole could be considered contested and it would go to the state representatives in the House to elect the president, IIRC.
Anyway, we need such an order for Georgia as well, as it seems they might steal the Senate there, which would be a catastrophe.
So what happens to the house and senate seats in this scenario? There were plenty of things voted on state by state besides the presidency. I wonder what will happen to them if the election is declared fubard.
Good question. Maybe only the presidential election is called into question. I'm not aware that there are any mechanics installed to apply to House or Senate races. But there is this process for the POTUS determination. So my guess is they won't be affected, as the contested status only applies to the electoral college process.
Run-off special elections for seats, a few months from now.
Would probably have to go to the state supreme court to decide.
PA still casts same day votes via voting machine. They would be able to keep and recount those.
The most likely scenario is that Pennsylvania would directly appoint electors. The better question is what happen to Senate and House races that are impacted by ballots being thrown out.
This. Admittedly I have no legal education, but I would think that if the court looked at enough information and saw the results were just obviously fucked (i.e. mixed up ballots, no proven chains of custody, etc.) they just say, "We're throwing all this trash out cause there's no way to know what's real and what isn't it."
Pour a cup of sewage into a barrel of wine, and you now have a barrel of sewage.
The issue is they have been backdating their post marks too.
They can’t backdate the total ballot counts though - if the SOS office was saying there were 3 million ballots cast at 8pm on election night but they try to claim there was 4 million via backdating then that obviously isn’t going to fly.
Fine, once that's proven then the entire pool is poisoned. Audit, investigate, revote if needed
More reason to throw out all the mail-ins, especially those received after the deadline
Probably will be a little segregated
Exactly what they want to do to society. One goes to Gulags.
“Wow! How coincidental! All the ballots that arrived late were for trump! Good thing we totally segregated them ahead of time and we had the stack ready to go!”
Sounds like we need to do another vote. In-person only, for 24 hours, everyone line up.
Yeah then watch how many democrats fly there to vote from across the nation
Must prove residency.
bring your ID
No idea, I’m not a poll worker.
We dont.
So we get to throw them all out.
Yup. The inability to ensure compliance with the order cuts against them, not in their favor.
My thinking exactly pede. Indeed
Only risk is if they 4d chess move and add fraud ballots to piles of trump votes.
I dont think they have IQ above 80 tho so i think wed be safe
They don't know how to play 4D chess, if they did they wouldn't have gotten caught
i mean if they show both sides "cheated" guess we have to have a redo that's fair?
Courts are generally not favorable to people who refuse to or claim they can not follow a court order, regardless of politics.
Exactly. Proof it never had integrity isn't justification to accept polluted results. It's the exact opposite. That's why they did it, they want people to get upset that integrity will be maintained.
I hadn't thought of it that way. If we prove the Democrats cheated, it's unreasonable to assume they didn't need to to win the election. SCOTUS should rule that we automatically win, if they can find any legal reasoning along these lines.
We'd have to go by the reported number from late that night.
Which had Trump 800K votes ahead HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA
After the ballots are out of the envelope and tossed in a bin, you can't tell them apart.
This sounds right
Although , would drop boxes?
Although, I suppose there's a way to track down pickup info on those to.
Yes. This will play a large role in finding out when ballots were backdated and finding the criminals.
I believe all mail is photographed now. If it wasn't photographed, it must not have been sent through the mail.