Remember guys Trump was too far ahead for Joe to catch up. There will be nothing obvious and Trump will need to be clever in finding all the little steals. Software is one. Dead voting Democrats, ballots stamped after election day, counties voting over the amount of people in their district, and the big one chain of custody for the mail envelopes where they should be able to see where they originated from.
Get all of these and it will not only sell a picture to the courts but it will allow them to audit and pick apart all of these inconsistencies the ballot tallies will drop bit by bit.
Late day ballots illegally counted may only make up a 50% of what you need but dead voters may make up another 10%, but software glitches may make up another 20% and so it goes. It will throttle back what is provable. By the time they do all this and then a vote recount, I have no reason to think that Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia will all come up Trump (or at least enough to make it a win)
All we need to do is to restore some integrity. I trust Trump and his team to do this. I think his strategy seems correct. Dispute it, slow it down, question, get hard evidence in enough instances, get the courts audit hell out of these anomalies and then do recounts.
Now should be when we collectively do what we can to help send anything we find to their examples and evidence. They have their own. We can help and we should. They need our support now more than ever.
Look, I think you are not being stupid. I will say that. I think it is entirely rational to say "Even IF they have cheated it ONLY matters what we can prove because even if the ballots that were dropped off and were fraudulently done by DNC operatives and post stamped after the election and dropped them into the general ballots and now inseparable, how is that truly provable?"
That is a fine point and I respect that.
There are also people running around saying this is a sting by the President and that he is playing 4D chess and has them set up. He has hard proof that we are not privy to and Trump will bring it in.
I also respect that. It is not ultimately provable or disprovable and they may be proved to be right. If it gives them the confidence they may not otherwise have, I am down with that.
I am not down with either position. I think that it is something in between. I think that the DNC in these states was obviously co-ordinating and therefore the joint stoppage in votes when Trump was ahead and having to stop counts.
I think most people have seen 800 000 lead in one state disappear and a major return of ballots in the 90-100% Biden positive results, in multiple states, know something is fishy.
I think Trump DID know something like this was possibly going to happen. I do not think he had a sting operation to catch them. I DO think that Democrats employed a number of things prior to the ballot dumps. I think that they did these so blatantly and so egregiously because they had already employed a number of other things to tighten the polls and had severely underestimated how much better he performed and then their missing ballots found everywhere became more and more blatant and not credible.
Trump needs to identify the elements, in general, they used to tighten the races in each state and expose them. The dead voting Democrats. The dodgy signators, the after election day post stamps, and so on. They should absolutely try to determine the source of the dumps and all of that and question the lot.
My thought is that the harder stuff to expose will take longer and if it is able to be done will require more to be able to do this.
It is the smaller incidences that WE collectively should crowdsource and fund. WE should try to expose these anomalies and forward them to the trump team. We should give the team enough to go to the courts to say "Hey we have found that x county had 120% of their constituents voted, this is obviously fraud" or "We have found 500 people in this state asked for and are marked as voting and they are all dead". These are the kinds of things that collectively will bring down small or modest leads in places like Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Georgia to striking distance.
I am thinking the Trump machine is looking for bigger issues and reeling a little at how much they have to consolidate and make a case for.
The more we help them to do this the better cases and remedies they can seek and the more targeted they can be. They do not need to make a case for 4am ballot dumps. They fucked up and relied on the polls to tell them how much to get them close and so they could use the dumps to put all states out of contention. As it was they did all that and Trump was killing them. They then had to stop all counting and regroup and organise to steal it by using 4am dumps until they got it over the top. But because Trump did so well they were not out of contention. The will keep injecting ballots until they get there they will count on 99% for about 5-6% over a week to shore this up
But doing all of this comes with more and more risk for them. We and the Trump team need to expose what we can and then it will be on the courts to find and agree to a remedy.
Oh I agree, every hole and crack needs to be chased down and filled with napalm until all the rot down there is cinders. There's no reason to hold back at all, even if so much wasn't in the balance.
I think we're working on it, having a million monkeys on a million typewriters has generated some interesting leads and some members are very capable. Even little things like force-feeding hard-hitting truths into people until they are forced to face reality helps, even if just a little.
I was just interjecting because your post seemed to imply that unless EVERY lead panned out, evil prevails. I can see that isn't what you meant, and again, there's no overkill when you could be in the most important fight of your life.
I'm only technically a Trump supporter, but that doesn't even matter because this is quite frankly about basic human decency at this point.
100% Agree. If they get away with this after having telegraphed it and done it so blatantly (out of necessity due to Trump surge) then they will always do it and it will work on those weaker tan Trump because it will have worked on him.
If he sticks it hard to them, those who can will slime away and they will remember.