My MSM-brainwashed parents came to visit as usual on Saturday to see us. I emerged from my basement office after watching Giuliani's press conference this morning and seeing the fake MSM Biden victory declarations, announcing I was heading to the state capital 45 mins away to join the protest and network.
My mom says "Don't get involved with all of that" in a condescending, I-watch-all-the-fake-news-and-know-everything tone. I respond "All of what?" And couldn't help but scream "There's videos of the voter fraud everywhere! You don't know anything!" I grabbed my keys, walked out the kitchen door to my car, and yelled "They stole the election!"
Here is where it got bad: my mom had the nerve to say "We had to put up with Trump for 4 years, now it's your turn."
With that display of ignorance, combined with apathy towards truth, as well as petty retaliation, I absolutely lost it. I screamed at the top of my lungs, undoubtedly such that many neighbors could hear, "They stole the election! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, ALL YOU WATCH IS FAKE NEWS!!!!".
With that, I left, my wife texting me as I drove to the #StopTheSteal protest.
She says I shouldn't let politics get in the way of family. I said it's not the politics, it's the fact that they willfully choose to be ignorant since I have tried to share truth before.
If they are unwilling to watch the indisputable videos of voter fraud taking place, I have no desire to see them. I told my wife she and my kids are welcome to visit my parents, but until they watch the videos of fraud they are dead to me.
I know I am not the first and certainly not the last to experience this, the proof that Civil War II is already upon us.
I know I could have handled it much better, but at the same time I don't feel ashamed of myself like I normally would.
I am open to hearing your opinions and advice, Pedes!
I believe in Trump, never have doubted his ability or motive. I am, however, worried about the integrity of the courts
You should be. Even so, try to chill until we know one way or the other. We're all dealing with similar issues today; we ALL knew this would happen the second fake news decided to "call" it. Persevere.
Happy warrior, just laugh and we see who gets elected.
Nothing more personal than freedom my friend, don't you let anything ruin it.
I've had almost the same interactions with my family (minus the screaming) in regards to Covid. The truth of the matter is that most people are happy to be willfully ignorant. They don't want to hear anything if it goes against the consensus even if the consensus is wrong.
The matrix is comforting lie to many.
^^^ THIS!! Its too uncomfortable to admit we are now venezuela!
Every foreign conflict that happens after this point if Trump doesn't pull it off and get back in the white house, point it out. Point out every dead soldier and civilian caused by Biden. Point out every child "locked in a cage" during his administration. Shove every bit of death, suffering and hipocricy in their face every waking moment of their lives. If they resist, try to claim it's fake and/or complain, do it even harder. Point out their taxes getting fucked up, our jobs being shipped off back to China. Point out that they voted for this and they don't have any right to complain or silence you.
In the words of the Joker. "They Get What They Fucking Deserve."
On the flip side, Biden has a nice, strong military to fuck up the world. Which he'll burn to embers trying to do the impossible. And nobody will be safer or happier.
And killing babies and funding foreigners when we have Americans sleeping in boxes under overpasses and shitting in the street. Obama/Biden built THAT
Push back but keep it calm. Don't let them see you get worked up. Stay confident, stand strong and keep moving forward. They'll get a reality check in the coming days : )
It is hurtful to me that they can't at least be open minded with me. My mom has always been proud of my significant academic achievements and knows I am of high intelligence, yet she can't fathom that I have used said intelligence to free my mind...won't even hear me out. She thinks TRUMP is the one with rotten kids!!
Some people can't see past the matrix. They're gullible and go with what authority (msm) tells them is truth. You're not going to be able to convince everyone. Don't make their problem your problem. Keep it moving and stand strong.
I think each pede has to decide how to fight their own personal battles. For me, I asked myself this question: Do I fight this battle in person against my brainwashed family, or do i rise above that, and direct my energy towards the real enemy here- the communists actually brainwashing my family, and trying to steal our country and way of life? I choose to aim higher myself. I try to plant seeds of doubt at home, while keeping the peace. But behind the scenes I’m constantly fighting for Trump. I’m actively seeking out Trump supporters in my area in real life, and forging strong relationships with them. It is with them I speak my mind, it with them I express my frustration, and it is with them I build further protection for my family. Together we will achieve victory through unity, not division. When the commies ultimately come to burn our cities, our families will turn to us in panic for protection. And I will be there for mine, ready with a network of patriots, standing with open arms.
This
is the WAY. Most definitely.
Indeed, sir
You glorious bastard
Give your wife and kids a big....hug. Your parents can wait. This will pass.
Point out how they are accepting conflicting ideas. For example, if Biden is going to tax the rich, why are they all supporting the candidate who will take more of their money?
Point out how the media has lied to them. Ask them what evidence the media presented to debunk the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. It was simply dismissed as Russian disinformation with the only "evidence" being a piece of paper signed by "intelligence experts", while firsthand witnesses came forward and corroborated the laptop's information.
It takes time, but you have to keep at it and keep pointing out flaws in their thinking, show them easily-provable falsehoods they believe, and trap them in conflicting positions they take.
My brother and I no longer associate with the family we came from because they're all lefties that live in their little bubbles. Forge your own path man. It's nice to have family to rely upon, but ideas matter. Truth matters.
Blood is not infact thicker than water. You can find new family. A family unit can be compromised of close friends. I learned this in the military.
Your parents aren’t getting any younger Pede. I lost my Dad this year. Cherish them.
I agree. Neither of my parents lived to see retirement. My children don't remember them.
Hold on to your opinions but don't insist your parents hold the same views. And request the same courtesy from them.
Yes. I am losing my daughter. Stay true to what you know and believe to be righteous.
I'm right there with you. It's unbelievable what's happening. I even saw an article on twitter titled "You're not my mother anymore!" and all I could think is they just wrote an article about my life.
Try to focus on the media. Don’t get into the weeds of Trump vs. Biden. Focus on how the corporate media is constantly doing two things: spreading fear and creating division. Point out why they do that: for clicks and ratings. For advertising revenue. Most people understand this is true. Just try to break that conditioning that the corporate media is their friend.
I am sorry - really do not have much advice. Maybe to write a letter or plot a timeline (Clinton deceit, muh Russia, no charges from Mueller, fake impeachment, laptop from hell - etc) and say this is reality whether MSM deigns to cover it.
Maybe harken back to an essential lesson parents may have taught before they became brainwashed and remind them this is not them??
Your mother’s comment about this being payback for four years of Trump is awful, btw.
Yeah, especially since there was 8 years of Obama and Biden before Trump. Oh we got 2 turns, you got 1, now we get another. Setting aside the political differences, just that raw logic of 2 for me and 1 for you is disgusting. They don't realize the damage they have done
Everytime a dead soldier comes back from the middle east, show it to them and add: "You voted for war and his death."
I'd say you just had a moment of catharsis. I sometimes feel like pointing out to my parents that they've let the media do their thinking for them and President Trump isn't the monster that they've been brainwashed into believing. However, I bit my tounge and rolled with it cause pointing it out would probably end badly. In the end, you did what you could, took a massive weight off your shoulders and you're probably a far braver dude than me.
Do your best not to get emotional. You can USE your emotions when need be, but don't let anyone bring your anger out in a way that makes you feel like you've lost control, which in this case, it sounds like you did.
If you get into a debate, stand your ground, but do so with logic and reason. Those who might be watching an exchange of ideas with an open mind will be more impressed by the stoic than the person who can't seem to handle the stress of confrontation.
Be cool. Think of POTUS out there playing golf today while all of this is going down. Compare our protests to what Antifa/BLM engages in. If you blow your top, especially on family and friends, they're going to think of you as the hot-headed Trump guy. Keep it together. Move forward confidently and speak the truth while living a life worth modeling. That's what will draw people in. We're the sane ones.
Yes, POTUS is a perfect example of control.
I don't think people realize how true this is. He's the type of guy who's not afraid to get into a fight, but no one's drawing him in unless he thinks it's a good idea to play the game.
Hes a true inspiration. I am learning so much from observing him.
My dad gave me the Hitler salute. I haven’t had a conversation with my parents since, because they are part of the hivemind, and no longer existing in this reality, I love them and all, but they’re on the side of evil and I’m willing to insulate my children from hatred of cops and total acceptance of hedonism and perversion.
That is the worst I’ve heard. So sorry, pede.
I would tell him, “You have never looked uglier to me than you did in that moment. You became the face of evil and hatred you claim to oppose before my very eyes. I hope some day you find the path back to love and tolerance in your heart. I continue to believe deep down you are a good man, that it was only a moment of terrible weakness, and I know this is not really you, but the madness of the corporate media working through you.”
I obviously don't know your family situation, but I'll say this.. Stand for what you know is right, because in the end, you will be the one with the head up high, and you will know that you stood for your morals and your character.
At least she didn't vote for Biden
Wow, sorry this happened to you Pede.
Watching the media succeed in brainwashing intelligent and kind hearted people is awful for all of us.
It’s terribly frustrating.
I am glad you are at Stop the Steal today.
I had a family split over other things years ago; and honestly having negative people out of your life is the healthiest, no matter whether they are family or not. Where is their compassion? Where is their desire to understand why you are angry? The brain washing is a terrible thing. Be thankful you have your own family that you must protect.
Props for standing your ground.
About to visit my own MSM-brainwashed family tomorrow. Hopefully it goes fine, but if they try to stir the pot, I won't hold back and will say what's on my mind.
Sorry to hear this, hopefully it gets resolved over time.
Only 20% played a role or fought for independence. 20% were loyalists. The rest just went along with whatever trying to stay out id the way.
Ignore ignorant people and the "loyalists". March on patriot.
Fren you can't scream and yell your way to reason with anyone. Don't use emotions to argue points and never allow your emotions to be used against you in an argument. Stand for your ideas but don't put your wife in the position to defend you after an outburst. It puts the burden on her to defend your beliefs and no one should speak for someone else. Good luck
For real, I read this in the voice of the dropped my tendies copy pasta after Hillary lost. Stay calm, let this go to the courts, don't lose your cool over it.
Don't talk politics with family if you can help it. It's not worth it. Be civil, be family, enjoy your time together. If they bring up politics then change the subject. "Hey, did you hear about the space balloon that Elon Musk launched to Jupiter last week?!".
Only cut your family out if they are the ones to do it. I've lost my oldest daughter due to my faith in Trump. It was her choice, not mine. Don't let it be on your shoulders.
I was already on my way out to the state capital anyway but otherwise I def would have kicked her out
To be fair, I came upstairs agitated and saying I was going to the capital to protest voter fraud and network bc there is going to be civil war
Sometimes the red pill is a suppository
LMFAO
We put up with Obama for 8 years.
Sounds biblical that families are being torn apart.
This really betrays the level of intelligence of these people. They're like children among adults.
What exactly is it they've had to put up with for 4 years? If all they do is sit down watching television. They're had to put up with news complaining incessantly about Trump for 4 years. They really are a captive audience. Go and have a conversion with them. Every sentence you'll be able to say no, that's not Trump, that's television.
At the same time, why do they think we would be upset about Biden just because he's Biden?
What we have to put up with is real and tangible. It's not as simple as a battle of the personalities.
Absolutely
I got told by my mother to leave if I was going to talk about Trump and from what I remember I was just talking about his accomplishments.
The TDS is bad. They have CNN on 24/7. They think everyone needs to have a mask. It's sad really. They're brainwashed. Try to have some compassion for THEM but stand your ground on the truth.
The worst thing we can do is just pretend like we agree. No. We don't. Heres why.
Brother I have these idiots that show to counter protest us.
I showed this guy a video of the "Son of a bitch, he got fired video" when I asked: What about Hunter?
He actually thought Tucker said it wasn't important or irrelevant...like what? It's extremely relevant because he was doing business with...you get the idea.
He then said I "added context"
Btw...a Chinese woman was standing there telling him she was from a communist socialist country and he still couldn't see things differently.
I've tried.
Ask your parents if they are going to report you to the Kamala list makers to be rounded up and sent to the gulag... surprisingly, people in communist countries did it to their own families.
Be safe. If your family will betray you over politics when things are comfortable, they'll betray you for a days worth of food when the bread lines start.
They wouldn't betray me in that way, they do love me, but my mom in particular has too big of an ego and is too stubborn. She has always been impossible to sway on anything, too closed minded to accept she was ever not right
She love her grandkids?
Yes very much
But not enough to prevent them from living in a communist country?
Either the lack of awareness or apathy until it directly harms your family is what I just don't understand about the other side.
It's bc they know plenty of lies they were told and none of the facts. They, along with the rest of the sheep, think it is conspiracy theory bullshit when we say that China is turning us into a communist country
Fuck em. They got us into this spot. We voted to get career politicians out because we knew, and we can see that these people were not doing America any good. They would blame Trump for the last 20 years of BS. When they voted for war, lies, corruption and back to business as usual for them. They let the dollar lose its might. They let jobs go overseas and to illegals. Never actually faught homeless and let the VA be garbage for the vets they sent to war. We tried to put a stop to this legally through Trump. They, Dems and gop fought him all the way. They outright lied saying there was evidence against trump in russiagate and quid pro quo. Nothing. And that was out in the open. Imagine what is done behind closed doors. So yes. Fuck em. They are part of the problem as we could soon fight for our country in other means.
It's the reason I'm not contacting too many friends right now. I'm gonna wait for all of this to play out. The media is too powerful. If I bring up the truth, I'm the one who looks like a crazy conspiracy theorist. When Trump is rightfully declared the winner, I'll try to explain to them what happened and why they were lied to.
Fortunately, or unfortunately I only have 1 immediate family member who’s buying this shit. She’s already way too far gone; BLM supporter, basically said she doesn’t care if dems cheated etc etc etc. the battle I’m fighting now is for friend and family who are starting to give in to the msms blasting propaganda 24/7
Ask your parents how Trump 'hurt' them. If mine said that I'd simple say, we didn't have any wars, my 401k is huge now, we are protecting our home, and helping the middle class. What's your problem?
Don't feel to bad. I'm probably going to have to shoot my relatives!... in minecraft. Just kidding of course. We have a saying with addicts and alcoholics still in their disease "seperate with love" If you want to kill yourself go ahead but i will not be an accessory to murder. I will do anything to support their recovery but i will not co sign or enable their disease. With politics i am an attraction rather than promotion type of person. If anyone asks what my beliefs are i will tell them and why. But i am not going to spend years of my life arguing with a brick wall who is not open to reality. Life will come at them fast and they may learn or not. If anyone ever wants to know why i am a nice, sucessfull, happy guy with a hot ass based chikie ill be glad to let them know... and now, with all this shit going down? I dont need to be known as an extemist for arguing publicly with friends/family but i will donate time and money. I will tell you this. Ive had a great life because of this country. I could die right now as a happy man. If or when it comes to it i will absolutely make that sacrifice. As the saying goes though the point isnt for me to die for my country its for the enemy to die for theirs....
As a magamom, i am giving you hugs. Your real mom may not understand now but you have a magamom here. i want you to know we'll get out of this and we will win at the end. Its not over.
You’re very fortunate to have both your parents, more fortunate that they’re still together, and even more so that you’re close enough that they visit on Saturday.
Just tell them you don’t want to discuss politics with them. You’re not good to change their minds.
I had all of these discussions with my old man. We’ve had rational fact driven chats. But then he’s posting on FB like he has TDS when I know he knows the facts and has acknowledged just about every point I’ve made in our chats. I don’t have FB. I finally told him I’m done talking politics with him. There was no point. He just doesn’t like Trump. But he’s my Pops and will always be.
Oh my parents are divorced. This was my mom and stepdad. They are the more tolerant ones, if you can believe that. My dad and stepmom are so far gone that neither of us has spoken in over a week bc we know it won't go anywhere. Oddly enough I feel less distant from him right now than I do my mom, bc I accepted him as forever lost a long time ago
A little, uh, how do you say, LOW ENERGY, but I guess ok? Very uncool to lose your cool. I'd look like a dumbass knowingly, or just avoid the subject. No need to get emotionally tangled up in these things. Once we win they're the ones that will have to deal with it "for four more years." Hopefully you family reunites. Good luck, & God-speed !
Hey, I have no advice, just wanted to offer words for support. Seems like there is a bunch of us with ignorant, boomer parents cheering on the steal.
I have no faith in the system.
What does offer some hope is how clean the election in Florida was this year. It used to be as fraudulent as PA or MI, but they managed to clean up. Not holding my breath, but there is hope.
Also, the new working class coalition is beautiful. We have won over so many working Hispanic and Black Americans to our cause. This is bigger than President Trump.
This is def true, but if Biden is in office he will give everything to China and we will have formed the perfect party just in time for it to no longer matter
Or whoever is going to be in power, because it's definitely not going to be puppet Biden.
Simply put, if they are not willing to look at both sides, (all the information) then they have no place in your life. Let them decide, and be responsible for what happens.
You're a saint for not punting your mother into the front yard at that point.
This is the best argument. Biden's vote haul after they quit counting was statistically impossible.
It's like a casino catching someone cheating because they win 20 hands in a row. We don't exactly know how, but it's a certanty that they stuffed the ballots.
https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
True. With the added fact that we know many various ways of exactly how they did it
It sucks man, idk what you can do. You’re never going to break through their pride and ego though. It’s much easier to fool someone than convince them they’ve been fooled.
You cannot force people to see the truth. Some people would rather be kept under the spell than face the truth, not just about this but about a lot of things. The thing is, truth is both a blessing and a curse, while ignorance truly is bliss in a lot of ways. Being informed is a lot of hard work and carries a lot of reposonbility, and many times you have to fight for people who don't even realise they need you to fight for them. Keep your head high, and don't let their ignorance turn your heart into hate. Pity their souls and pray for their salvation.