I got in long argument this morning with two of my friends over discord about biden "winning" the presidency, and confirmed election fraud. I simply stated the below, asking for a direct answer to these two points. So far one has not responded, and the other completely sidesteps and refuses to give me a straight answer. Sure telling lol.
This is a very very very simple question for BOTH of you
1: Do you support the people who submitted these faulty votes, no MATTER HOW MANY MAY SHOW UP, being punished for the crime of doing so
2: Do you support an official NSA/FBI/CISA/DHS audit (however many agencies are necessary to do said job), of any and all states ballots/voter registration systems, etc, that 1, ARE, and 2, COULD BE tampered with in this way, regardless of whether said illegally cast ballots end up making a difference in said states
I am pretty sure that if one does not support the two above statements, any mentioning of them saying "I support the democratic process" is null and void
The problem with the left right now is that they are only thinking of the very short term ego boost of defeating 'evil nazi drumpf'. This election isn't about Trump now, it's about the very integrity of the US election system which gives a voice to the American people. If this system is compromised and the voice of Americans through voting becomes meaningless. Then any power hungry group with enough corrupt connections can gain control of the most powerful nation on the planet and push for more wars against anyone who stands in their way. Trump is currently the figurehead for this fight, and people need to stop being so silent and start being heard, no matter how much it may alienate them in the moment with their friends and family. You did a great job having this argument with your friends mate, I hope others can find the courage to have these conversations as well.
Oh yeah without a doubt. In my argument with them I was trying to explain, I'm not doing this because trump "lost". I'm doing this because there is very obvious instances of fraud (I was pointing out the csv of what is it, 9k-14k in MI who were dead, and offering that they sign into the voter lookup system and check for themselves). The problem is they keep sidestepping, admitting that yes there was minor fraud "but it's not enough to change anything", yet seem to NOT support an audit by say the NSA, who would likely find a hell of a lot more than 14k. They simultaneously say oh even if there were more, it won't make a difference, yet don't want a full investigation done. Then they get on my case with me "not accepting the results, and how dangerous that is to democracy", not realizing that perhaps allowing fraud to slide without an investigation may also be dangerous to our democracy.
It is very difficult. I live in a deep blue area, just about everyone I know in person with the exception of like 2 people are hardcore liberals. I see so unbelievably much bullshit on a daily basis coming from these people, that I want to stand up to but can't for the fear of losing my job, and being ostracized from the group of everyone I know. That's why I take to the net. Here I can do good deeds to hopefully help our cause, and move forward, without basically blasting apart my whole life. I do feel the tide starting to shift, things getting more and more polarized, and eventually this whole situation is going to explode. I feel like that point is coming closer and closer, and I absolutely look forward to it's arrival. I want them all to know the truth. I don't even want this for the purpose of being able to say "I told you so", or "See, I was right". I just want them to be able to experience what I feel on a daily basis, being able to cleanly being able to cut through the bullshit and see what reality really is.
Sorry to hear that mate, you are definitely doing good deeds here. Hopefully given time and the truth your friends will see how they've been manipulated.