The identifiers really don't mean much if it was Dominion or Hammer and Scorecard that was largely responsible for the fraud, for example, those 200k or 300k counts that came in at 4am across multiple states, correct? Or am I wrong?
Ballots being mailed in later than cut off dates and being backdated by Postal Service.
Ballots being filled in by ballot "counters".
Ballots being "fixed" by ballot "counters".
Ballots being counted that have no signature or postmark or witness.
Ballots being "transferred" to new ballots by the National Guard due to "misprints with the ballots".
Dead people voting in an election that they obviously could not vote in.
Then there's the software avenue:
Software 'glitches' to flip votes to the wrong candidate.
Software isn't secure and can easily be manipulated, CNN did a piece on this in 217 as part of their 'Muh Russia stole the vote" conspiracy, but it's a legitimate concern, computer voting or counting is always susceptible to this type of manipulation.
Results aren't uploading to their destination correctly. Happens quite often either by human error or the software being broken or not working correctly.
Results aren't being uploaded period by certain counties.
Then there's juststuff that is just plain illegal or not the proper process:
Not allowing the observing of ballots by Republicans and counting them anyway.
Covering windows in counting rooms.
Saying you've stopped counting only for more ballots to randomly "show up" giving one candidate enough votes to lead.
Enough ballots showing up to lead one candidate and to go over the recount threshold, such as in PA. 0.5 % = recount. 0.51% = no recount
Then there's ballots being found in the garbage or in rivers or in the desert or under rocks that should have been delivered.
In the end, the evidence of fraud or just straight up manipulation of the electoral process is pretty clear, despite what the MSM says. There's multiple types of fraud occurring, not just one type. But as soon as you point that out they say "There's no evidence!". I guarantee you that if this happened to Biden, the media would be screaming at the top of their lungs about the election being stolen.
The question is, can anything actually be done to fix the fraud? The Court process is slow and by the time the electoral college electors put in their votes, it could be too late. It's going to be an uphill battle.
Maybe add ‘problems with delivery of mail in ballots to the voter. Think of the usual ‘non voter’ population (such as ‘motor voter’ automatic registrations.) If those people’s ballots were intercepted before reaching the homes, those non voters aren’t going to put in much effort to locate them, having to go thru 800 automated phone lines, etc. Those votes could be marked and returned. Those would blend in seamlessly and couldn’t be identified.
So here's the thing. They'd have to know there would be recounts yes? If the fraud in the numbers is purely digital and recounts will swing the vote 100K+ votes the other way then that seems like a stupid way to commit fraud. Unless the intent was to have this whole game go on, it flip back to trump and then they have a four year narrative.
If you're going to steal an election though, why not actually steal it for real?
Or were they that cocky that they could just digitally flip votes, and leave the real ballots indicating another result and that it'd never get as far as validation?
Yes. It’s all of the above. Dead people voting, fake ballots filled by Dem organizers, duplicates, disenfranchising Trump supporters citing issues, curing Democratic absentee ballots, Dominion, Scorecard, and many more... spread it around enough so that each in itself doesn’t look like it could change the result on its own.
It is always multiple avenues. That way, one gets caught, it is deemed to not be detrimental to the result and chalked up to a mistake and "fixed right away, we take this very seriously" and a bunch of other security PR bullshit or j"ust the way it is supposed to work" like with provisional ballots or whatever excuse they have for a particular fraud. Taken separately they are nothing, together they are treason. Tackling them is fighting a hydra.
The incomoetence is coordinated as well. In my state the registration system is retarded on purpose. It reverts it if you change it outside a certain window. So people complain and it provides cover for when the SoS does actually change GOP registrations to unaffiliated each primary which ITSELF is cover for polling models which THEMSELVES are cover for the outright fraud in the general election. How can I prove any of this? Well my registration got flipped, I didn't get to vote for Trump in the primary. Boo hoo. Nobody cares and there was some clerical error apparently. Nobody can check their votes because of the risk of vote selling or some shit, when I could literally have them watch me fill it out. It's all just a crock of shit.
If there's one thing I know from infosec, it's that increasing the surface of attack leads to higher chances of individuals finding vulnerabilities and exploiting them. AFAIK this holds true in any security field.
The US shouldn't have that many avenues for voting, as well as a robust system to ensure 1 citizen = 1 vote.
This just shows us that votes were sent to whom, and which votes came back... so they can't shred them and say they never received them if they really scanned it or it really went through post.
Electronic voting is its own system. Trump made the Space Force so it is a swamp free zone and CyberSec is part of space force! Look at this timeline:
Interesting, I didn't know that about Space Force and CyberSec. Man....I wish I could see all the evidence that Trump has right now. No wonder he's so calm.
This means they can track if a vote was counted for one party when the actual ballot has another.
Additionally if the vote is missing completely they can ask where the ballot went for John Doe that is clearly in the database for having sent a ballot.
they can also, for example, validate all the provisional ballots that were handed out in arizona but never validated. IIRC the purpose of providing more ID was to ensure the absentee ballot was not cast, with direct ID that can be checked and the provisional used...
No, the final storage, official and unofficial, and tabulator are just a few of the many modules of the Dominion program, there are like a dozen different attacks from various different modules that can be done. This video is a bit lengthy, but does a great job of covering most of the "vulnerabilities". Starts at 2:00
Dominion may have different products. They definitely have machines too. And these machines are on the Internet. They should not be. Probably against state rules too.
The identifiers really don't mean much if it was Dominion or Hammer and Scorecard that was largely responsible for the fraud, for example, those 200k or 300k counts that came in at 4am across multiple states, correct? Or am I wrong?
You're exactly right - there are two columns of fraud here:
Mail-in ballots, a racket executed by operators inside the USPS, coordinated with election handlers, and seems to be taking several forms.
Dominion/CIA backdoor products, manipulating live voting and other database entries.
They are related, but separate issues to be pursued.
I want to see Bidens true numbers. I bet he truly lost every State.
The sheer scale of this operation makes Watergate look like a childs operation.
74 Million is probably Trump's real number...
I wouldn't go that far. New York, Chicago, and California would vote for Stalin.
This could be said about any race after 1980, tbh.
There's multiple types of fraud occurring.
There's the actual phyical ballot fraud, such as:
Then there's the software avenue:
Then there's juststuff that is just plain illegal or not the proper process:
In the end, the evidence of fraud or just straight up manipulation of the electoral process is pretty clear, despite what the MSM says. There's multiple types of fraud occurring, not just one type. But as soon as you point that out they say "There's no evidence!". I guarantee you that if this happened to Biden, the media would be screaming at the top of their lungs about the election being stolen.
The question is, can anything actually be done to fix the fraud? The Court process is slow and by the time the electoral college electors put in their votes, it could be too late. It's going to be an uphill battle.
Maybe add ‘problems with delivery of mail in ballots to the voter. Think of the usual ‘non voter’ population (such as ‘motor voter’ automatic registrations.) If those people’s ballots were intercepted before reaching the homes, those non voters aren’t going to put in much effort to locate them, having to go thru 800 automated phone lines, etc. Those votes could be marked and returned. Those would blend in seamlessly and couldn’t be identified.
So here's the thing. They'd have to know there would be recounts yes? If the fraud in the numbers is purely digital and recounts will swing the vote 100K+ votes the other way then that seems like a stupid way to commit fraud. Unless the intent was to have this whole game go on, it flip back to trump and then they have a four year narrative.
If you're going to steal an election though, why not actually steal it for real?
Or were they that cocky that they could just digitally flip votes, and leave the real ballots indicating another result and that it'd never get as far as validation?
Yes. It’s all of the above. Dead people voting, fake ballots filled by Dem organizers, duplicates, disenfranchising Trump supporters citing issues, curing Democratic absentee ballots, Dominion, Scorecard, and many more... spread it around enough so that each in itself doesn’t look like it could change the result on its own.
It is always multiple avenues. That way, one gets caught, it is deemed to not be detrimental to the result and chalked up to a mistake and "fixed right away, we take this very seriously" and a bunch of other security PR bullshit or j"ust the way it is supposed to work" like with provisional ballots or whatever excuse they have for a particular fraud. Taken separately they are nothing, together they are treason. Tackling them is fighting a hydra.
The incomoetence is coordinated as well. In my state the registration system is retarded on purpose. It reverts it if you change it outside a certain window. So people complain and it provides cover for when the SoS does actually change GOP registrations to unaffiliated each primary which ITSELF is cover for polling models which THEMSELVES are cover for the outright fraud in the general election. How can I prove any of this? Well my registration got flipped, I didn't get to vote for Trump in the primary. Boo hoo. Nobody cares and there was some clerical error apparently. Nobody can check their votes because of the risk of vote selling or some shit, when I could literally have them watch me fill it out. It's all just a crock of shit.
If there's one thing I know from infosec, it's that increasing the surface of attack leads to higher chances of individuals finding vulnerabilities and exploiting them. AFAIK this holds true in any security field.
The US shouldn't have that many avenues for voting, as well as a robust system to ensure 1 citizen = 1 vote.
This just shows us that votes were sent to whom, and which votes came back... so they can't shred them and say they never received them if they really scanned it or it really went through post.
Electronic voting is its own system. Trump made the Space Force so it is a swamp free zone and CyberSec is part of space force! Look at this timeline:
8/2/18: "Strong action to secure elction systems" https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-strengthening-security-elections/
Jan 29 2020: US Cyber command poised to support US election security... https://web.archive.org/web/20200716024316/https://www.nsa.gov/News-Features/News-Stories/Article-View/Article/2069163/us-cyber-command-nsa-poised-to-support-us-election-security/
6/26/20: "National cyber director act" with CyberSecurity Advisor Rudy Giuliani https://web.archive.org/web/20200920114411/https://www.complianceweek.com/cyber-security/bill-proposes-national-cyber-security-czar/29126.article
9/4/20:CyberSec principals for Space Force: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/09/04/trump-administration-launches-first-cybersecurity-principles-space-technologies
10/21/20: Trump signs making hacking voting systems a federal crime: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/522151-trump-signs-legislation-into-law-making-hacking-voting-systems-a-federal
Nice username
We have "The Expert" in charge of the Cyber, he came and "BING BING BING" -ALL SECURED PRESIDENT DAD SIR.
Thank you Baron.
American cybersecurity is one of the world leaders. So much money in this space
Interesting, I didn't know that about Space Force and CyberSec. Man....I wish I could see all the evidence that Trump has right now. No wonder he's so calm.
Are the dems that crazy to walk into this? Wtf is wrong with them besides the obvious mental disorders?
Mind. Fuckin. Blown.
Did not know that about Space Force. I’m finally gonna order the hat.
The ballots are tied to a specific individual.
This means they can track if a vote was counted for one party when the actual ballot has another.
Additionally if the vote is missing completely they can ask where the ballot went for John Doe that is clearly in the database for having sent a ballot.
I'm sure there are many other scenarios.
they can also, for example, validate all the provisional ballots that were handed out in arizona but never validated. IIRC the purpose of providing more ID was to ensure the absentee ballot was not cast, with direct ID that can be checked and the provisional used...
Is dominion for mail ins only? Or also the regular ballots?
both
Edit: My guess was completely wrong, so I just deleted it to help limit misinformation. Check the reply to this comment for a lot better insight.
Dominion is the scanner/sender of the votes. SCYTL is the centralized storage. Check my post history if you want to know more.
No, the final storage, official and unofficial, and tabulator are just a few of the many modules of the Dominion program, there are like a dozen different attacks from various different modules that can be done. This video is a bit lengthy, but does a great job of covering most of the "vulnerabilities". Starts at 2:00
https://youtu.be/ficae6x1Q5A
Nice thanks for info. I'll delete mine and lead them to yours.
Dominion may have different products. They definitely have machines too. And these machines are on the Internet. They should not be. Probably against state rules too.
This is interesting: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpTyN9Yi/found-this-on-4chan-cant-make-he/
I think it matters once you recount the votes