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If you took out illegals voting in Los Angeles in 16, Hillary doesn't win the popular vote. Which is why I always push back when I hear people saying Trump didn't win the popular vote.
I had a cousin who voted in 2016, before he was a citizen. when I went all ballistic on him, he said he didn't know. He was a legal resident and legal, but still voted. as a resident....so not right. So it's not just the illegals.
That’s part of the problem, I think. A lot of them just live with that cognitive dissonance which turns them into hateful people and they don’t do the hard work of understanding why they think the way they do. They might know they’re hypocrites deep down, but think they’re doing the right thing because Colbert told them so.
I almost started to believe some of the lefty bullshit before Trump, then re-read the Federalist Papers cover to cover and I was reborn: like a Phoenix, rising from Arizona!
I agree with you on that. My lib ex was very sweet, but when lockdown hit he started using social media more and more, bingeing on (so-called) news and opinion pieces and it brought out the absolute worst qualities in him. He became quite a mean, judgmental and bitter person, and although even he acknowledged that his moods and behavior were worse, he never stopped to consider why or tried to change.
Also with mailing out ballots to everyone on the voter rolls when the voter rolls aren't even clean increases the chance of fraud bigly. When people get 5 ballots in the mail, a lot of democrats are going to choose to send all of them in. Republicans, not so much since they generally aren't cheaters.
There is plenty of evidence for widespread voting fraud. The risk of fraud increases exponentially when people are mass mailed ballots based off old voter rolls, and no one has custody over all those ballots. This AJ+ is a shill. There are many like him trying to turn a steal into something legitimate.
Sprinkle in a few numbers and tell people there's nothing to worry about, and that everything conservatives say is fear-mongering. This is essentially all of the "fact-checking" they do on social media.
See, they keep pushing "widespread" as if it needs to occur everywhere. It just has to happen in key counties in key states. They're just going to push the "widespread" message.
Exactly. It’s a no true Scotsman fallacy. Any evidence presented will be dismissed as anomalies attributed to a system that “isn’t perfect but no system is” because “that’s not widespread”. What’s “widespread” will just keep shifting.
Sound familiar? It’s what commie idiots say when they see a pile of bones and conclude “that wasn’t really socialism”
Very specifically, they use that term so that low information and dyed-in-the-wool Dem voters will throw it back at you. It works like this (You in this example is the 'general you'):
You: "There is fraud."
Them: "No. Prove it."
You: "Ok, here is an example (example given, with evidence)"
Them: "Well that's just one case. It doesn't prove widespread voter fraud."
Now here is the mistake most people make (me included). You either keep trying to show them case after case and they keep saying those are just isolated incidents, or you throw up your hands and get angry because you can't believe they aren't getting it.
Here's what we need to do:
Them: "Well that's just one case. It doesn't prove widespread voter fraud."
You: "The reason that your side, the Dems and the media, keep saying that is because they know that no one has the time or patience to lay out every... single instance of voter fraud in the entire country. Every example I give you, you'll just say it's one case. I could show you 1,000 examples where 100 votes were flipped fraudulently and you'd say "those are just individual cases". Do you know what 1,000 times 100 is? 100,000. If Trump had 100,000 more votes in key areas, he wins in a landslide."
tl;dr - Always have specific examples to give in an argument, but never let anyone drag you into an argument of specifics. You MUST win the overarching logical points, then make them go do the work to find the specifics. If they want to disbelieve after that, they are beyond you saving.
At the same time they want to play up numbers like black trans dudes being violently attacked for being trans. Don't you dare ask them what percentage of those assaulted participated in the dangerous act of prostitution, or if magically passable to a drunk man being taken advantage of in a dark club likely filled with drug use, what number admitted to being preop trans before attempting to violate their would be participant.
Friendly Reminder that AJ+ is the English Language version of Al Jazeera, propaganda mouthpiece for Qatar. The Arabian shithole country so shithole even the Saudis have issues with it.
Also favorite propaganda outlet for Osama Bin Laden.
Those are the most made up numbers I have every seen, even if I wanted to Biden to win, I would have either not posted such ridiculous numbers or increased them to at least feign that I knew what I was talking about
I've spent the many hours looking at voter fraud through history, it's a very depressing situation. I am willing to bet it has happened in a large number of American elections. Bernie Sanders was victim to it twice, I wonder if Bernie fans have figured out why he did so much better caucus states? In 2012 looks like Obama got a helping hand as well.
This time though the fraud they needed was so massive it is transparent.
The media really are trying so hard to keep a lid on this and just lie to stop people looking for themselves. To claim mail-in voting doesn't change things, is total crap and should get the old noggin joggin for why they would say that.
How on earth could they say with a straight face that there is no increased risk of fraud through mail in ballots? That is just objectively untrue. The signature requirement and validation already leaves your vote to the subjective whims of the counter. Your mail in ballot is already a coin flip whether or not it will be permitted. These fucking gaslighting mother fucking commies
It doesn't need to be proved that fraud took place. It only needs to be proved that the rules weren't followed. At that point, fraud is the default assumption, that in turn would need to be disproved (which is impossible).
The media, the apparent searchers for truth and corruption frantically telling you to STFU and don’t question obvious corruption.
It’s actually incredibly easy to commit voter fraud. The left has even accused other leftist candidates of doing it. Read the dnc leaks. You’ve got dead people voting, ballot harvesting, illegals, stealing ballots, registering people without their knowledge, even in actual person voting, California is the easiest to commit voter fraud as all you do not have to show any proof that you are who you say you are. You also have people being bused to vote. Never forget 2012 Ohio.
"The risk does not increase with mail in voting."
Everything EVERYTHING they say is a lie. They have no crafter or integrity, only care about raw power.
The word "widespread" is a trap. It's LARGE SCALE but concentrated to large democrat run cities.
Anyone who believes those risks numbers is a fucking moron. Does anyone here believe that fewer than 1 of 1million cases of ballots are fraud? Add this to the pile of 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.
1 in 1 million would be, what, roughly 145 fraudulent votes?
There are probably that many votes in PA alone that were mailed in by “voters” born in the 1800s.
How about the 98,000 in Wisconsin that only voted for Joe and no one else down ballot?
How about the 3000 in Nevada that the GOP referred to the DOJ?
The 140,000 in Michigan that showed up in the middle of the night and were unloaded from a Ferrari a Chrysler 300 and a van (all official MI department of elections vehicles I’m sure, nevermind the out of state tags)
I’m gunna need some sauce on those stats Mr AJ. Because they smell like you pulled them out of your ass.
Can AJ+ calculate the statistical probability of Biden receiving 100% of the 138K 4am ballots? Forget the circumstances of which they came in, just calculate the odds of Biden receiving 100% of the vote. Also can the shill also do some math in regards to a 90% voting turnout for WI when it has been about 65-70% since 2000? And here's one more cause Liberals are really good at math: calculate the odds of Biden winning every contested battleground state by such a razor thin margin despite being down incredibly heavy odds the night before with 90% of the vote left to count?
You need to be an accomplished liar to say things that are the opportunities of the truth. ‘Widespread fraud’ is not the issue, carefully targeted fraud in 5 or 6 states is.
Obvious the odds of some fraud happening are near 100%.
Sooooo let’s say I flip a quarter 100,000 times, it’s gonna land heads up 100,000 times....kinda like all these other votes....alllllllll went to Biden???
If there is a chance for cheating the rule of thumb is that the left will cheat. Small or largenots the only way they can win. This ztate.ent above is more proof of wrong doing you can ask for. Denial and projection are their tools.
TRUMP WON PERIOD WE ALL KNOW IT. ITS THE PEOPLES HOUSE NOT THE DEEP STATES. LIBERTY OR DEATH
Wow, they're just pulling numbers out of their ass.
"There may not be evidence of widespread voter fraud(there is), but there is tremendous evidence of targeted voter fraud."
Yup, you're onto something
Illegals voting is widespread voter fraud, and there is lots of evidence of that.
I agree
If you took out illegals voting in Los Angeles in 16, Hillary doesn't win the popular vote. Which is why I always push back when I hear people saying Trump didn't win the popular vote.
I had a cousin who voted in 2016, before he was a citizen. when I went all ballistic on him, he said he didn't know. He was a legal resident and legal, but still voted. as a resident....so not right. So it's not just the illegals.
Yes, Scott Adams made that point this morning.
Yep Targeted Fraud happens.
These people actually believe urban centers don't cheat votes.
Have they never heard of the Chicago Machine? Tammany Hall?
It's almost like they've never read anything of substance in their entire miserable lives.
5/4 statistics are made up on the spot.
About 90/abc of the time it's pancake% of the time.
Joe? Is that you?
Listen fat. I'm gonna cloyehsumsnens onnaeezdaze dish yehnow. C'mon, man!
I don't what you said, but it's provocative. Really gets the Jeeps a honkin'
Am I Senator yet? Is Donald J Biden president?
You sure those aren't the Trump supporters honking at his no turn out "drive-in rallys?"
Impressive! No wonder JoePedo got two hundred thirty million thousand votes.
The hairs on my leg, they turn blonde in the sun
Yeah, I totally believe the candidate who sounds like he's having a stroke half the time pulled the largest voter turnout in American history.
Statistician blues reference?
Given how many contradictory beliefs they all seem to have, they aren't even honest with themselves let alone anyone else.
That’s part of the problem, I think. A lot of them just live with that cognitive dissonance which turns them into hateful people and they don’t do the hard work of understanding why they think the way they do. They might know they’re hypocrites deep down, but think they’re doing the right thing because Colbert told them so.
I almost started to believe some of the lefty bullshit before Trump, then re-read the Federalist Papers cover to cover and I was reborn: like a Phoenix, rising from Arizona!
I agree with you on that. My lib ex was very sweet, but when lockdown hit he started using social media more and more, bingeing on (so-called) news and opinion pieces and it brought out the absolute worst qualities in him. He became quite a mean, judgmental and bitter person, and although even he acknowledged that his moods and behavior were worse, he never stopped to consider why or tried to change.
Also with mailing out ballots to everyone on the voter rolls when the voter rolls aren't even clean increases the chance of fraud bigly. When people get 5 ballots in the mail, a lot of democrats are going to choose to send all of them in. Republicans, not so much since they generally aren't cheaters.
Fundamentally. I see what you did there.
Where does that risk percentage come from? Complete bs. They're grasping at straws.
Random numbers to make normies believe them and make leftists confirm their own viewpoints.
For these people, consequences are only for conservatives.
(Please ignore the features...ahmm...glitches)
We had failed investigations, the Russia hoax, and a failed impeachment, but totally believe us guys!
There is plenty of evidence for widespread voting fraud. The risk of fraud increases exponentially when people are mass mailed ballots based off old voter rolls, and no one has custody over all those ballots. This AJ+ is a shill. There are many like him trying to turn a steal into something legitimate.
Yea, if 1 dead mf voted somewhere it’s on.
Sprinkle in a few numbers and tell people there's nothing to worry about, and that everything conservatives say is fear-mongering. This is essentially all of the "fact-checking" they do on social media.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Gaslighting has begun. It was all part of the plan.
AJ plus is the Al Jazeera progressive wing. I'm sure that will clear things up for you lol.
By progressive they mean progressive to subvert the west, that shit won't fly in their home country
Yeah that “no additional risk” blurb is especially hilariously bad.
See, they keep pushing "widespread" as if it needs to occur everywhere. It just has to happen in key counties in key states. They're just going to push the "widespread" message.
Exactly. It’s a no true Scotsman fallacy. Any evidence presented will be dismissed as anomalies attributed to a system that “isn’t perfect but no system is” because “that’s not widespread”. What’s “widespread” will just keep shifting.
Sound familiar? It’s what commie idiots say when they see a pile of bones and conclude “that wasn’t really socialism”
Very specifically, they use that term so that low information and dyed-in-the-wool Dem voters will throw it back at you. It works like this (You in this example is the 'general you'):
You: "There is fraud." Them: "No. Prove it." You: "Ok, here is an example (example given, with evidence)" Them: "Well that's just one case. It doesn't prove widespread voter fraud."
Now here is the mistake most people make (me included). You either keep trying to show them case after case and they keep saying those are just isolated incidents, or you throw up your hands and get angry because you can't believe they aren't getting it.
Here's what we need to do:
Them: "Well that's just one case. It doesn't prove widespread voter fraud." You: "The reason that your side, the Dems and the media, keep saying that is because they know that no one has the time or patience to lay out every... single instance of voter fraud in the entire country. Every example I give you, you'll just say it's one case. I could show you 1,000 examples where 100 votes were flipped fraudulently and you'd say "those are just individual cases". Do you know what 1,000 times 100 is? 100,000. If Trump had 100,000 more votes in key areas, he wins in a landslide."
tl;dr - Always have specific examples to give in an argument, but never let anyone drag you into an argument of specifics. You MUST win the overarching logical points, then make them go do the work to find the specifics. If they want to disbelieve after that, they are beyond you saving.
At the same time they want to play up numbers like black trans dudes being violently attacked for being trans. Don't you dare ask them what percentage of those assaulted participated in the dangerous act of prostitution, or if magically passable to a drunk man being taken advantage of in a dark club likely filled with drug use, what number admitted to being preop trans before attempting to violate their would be participant.
The left lives in lies and manipulation.
Good point.
Seriously, I saved your post.
Also it's not fraud if the software glitches and changes votes! Right?!?!
Friendly Reminder that AJ+ is the English Language version of Al Jazeera, propaganda mouthpiece for Qatar. The Arabian shithole country so shithole even the Saudis have issues with it.
Also favorite propaganda outlet for Osama Bin Laden.
These people are pathological.
They also fund TYT, for real.
They make huge propaganda in France too, appealing to the young and arab population
That makes this tweet make a lot more sense now
Those are the most made up numbers I have every seen, even if I wanted to Biden to win, I would have either not posted such ridiculous numbers or increased them to at least feign that I knew what I was talking about
I think I know where they got the numbers from, you better sit down for this one. Those are the percentages of fake votes that were caught.
Fucking unreal isn't it. That is like saying that the level of drug dealing is only as high as the number of deals that get caught by cops.
Qatar media, known worldwide for the honesty /s
I've spent the many hours looking at voter fraud through history, it's a very depressing situation. I am willing to bet it has happened in a large number of American elections. Bernie Sanders was victim to it twice, I wonder if Bernie fans have figured out why he did so much better caucus states? In 2012 looks like Obama got a helping hand as well.
This time though the fraud they needed was so massive it is transparent.
The media really are trying so hard to keep a lid on this and just lie to stop people looking for themselves. To claim mail-in voting doesn't change things, is total crap and should get the old noggin joggin for why they would say that.
So now we’re taking news from a source known to have terror links?
Boy after 9/11, the terrorists really did win.
Oh I apologise, I should have been more clear, Al Jazeera is an official Facebook “fact check” partner 😒
BOOM!
The risk is 100% where demrats are in control.
Biden's turnout lower in every urban area except in 5 convenient cities all run by Democrats for years upon years.
Does not take a high IQ to realize something is up with that.
The complete absence of journalistic curiosity is troubling. "There is no evidence . . ." Go take a look Edward R. Murrow. There's evidence aplenty.
How on earth could they say with a straight face that there is no increased risk of fraud through mail in ballots? That is just objectively untrue. The signature requirement and validation already leaves your vote to the subjective whims of the counter. Your mail in ballot is already a coin flip whether or not it will be permitted. These fucking gaslighting mother fucking commies
It doesn't need to be proved that fraud took place. It only needs to be proved that the rules weren't followed. At that point, fraud is the default assumption, that in turn would need to be disproved (which is impossible).
The media, the apparent searchers for truth and corruption frantically telling you to STFU and don’t question obvious corruption.
It’s actually incredibly easy to commit voter fraud. The left has even accused other leftist candidates of doing it. Read the dnc leaks. You’ve got dead people voting, ballot harvesting, illegals, stealing ballots, registering people without their knowledge, even in actual person voting, California is the easiest to commit voter fraud as all you do not have to show any proof that you are who you say you are. You also have people being bused to vote. Never forget 2012 Ohio.
Its the same word for word talking points every time!
A newschannel funded by islamofascists should shut the fuck up about elections
"The risk does not increase with mail in voting." Everything EVERYTHING they say is a lie. They have no crafter or integrity, only care about raw power.
Is it another pollster coming up with these figures?
His "facts"
1 in 1 million would be, what, roughly 145 fraudulent votes?
There are probably that many votes in PA alone that were mailed in by “voters” born in the 1800s.
How about the 98,000 in Wisconsin that only voted for Joe and no one else down ballot?
How about the 3000 in Nevada that the GOP referred to the DOJ?
The 140,000 in Michigan that showed up in the middle of the night and were unloaded from a Ferrari a Chrysler 300 and a van (all official MI department of elections vehicles I’m sure, nevermind the out of state tags)
I’m gunna need some sauce on those stats Mr AJ. Because they smell like you pulled them out of your ass.
Their definition they’re going with their definition of “widespread” means everywhere. Fine. I’ll play.
We’re witnessing TARGETED fraud in specific cities to influence and steal the election. There.
Meanwhile the same media years ago was warning of the dangers of voting by mail and how it's prone to abuse and fraud. Honk honk.
Rhetorical question.
How come that this tweet isnt flagged in this highly disputed claim?
at this point when anyone says no evidence they mean no evidence they wish to address.
Can AJ+ calculate the statistical probability of Biden receiving 100% of the 138K 4am ballots? Forget the circumstances of which they came in, just calculate the odds of Biden receiving 100% of the vote. Also can the shill also do some math in regards to a 90% voting turnout for WI when it has been about 65-70% since 2000? And here's one more cause Liberals are really good at math: calculate the odds of Biden winning every contested battleground state by such a razor thin margin despite being down incredibly heavy odds the night before with 90% of the vote left to count?
I have frontal lobe damage so I cant do math
Its ok as long as it is not wide spread fraud, just narrow spread fraud in key states
I wouldn’t for a second listen to anything Al Jazeera says
The talking point is "no evidence of widespread voter fraud". NONCONFORMANCE TO BENFORD'S LAW IS EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD
Convicted cases are not the only times it happens.
Thats like saying Chicago only has 20 murders a year.
If they don’t even investigate the cases how the hell would they know?
You need to be an accomplished liar to say things that are the opportunities of the truth. ‘Widespread fraud’ is not the issue, carefully targeted fraud in 5 or 6 states is.
Obvious the odds of some fraud happening are near 100%.
I love the articles that are popping up:
"Here are some truly wacky theories about voter fraud by nutcase Trumpists.
"There were computer glitches." This is wrong, okay.
"Dead people voted." This is just ridiculous. And impossible.
"The statistics/math doesn't add up." This might sound plausible, but it's just not. Besides which math is totally racist.
"Ballot tampering occurred." This is only the case with Republicans. Democrats are pure and good, always..
oh, so there is fraud then?
They tried to tell us only 2% of women lie about rape during the Kavanaugh trial..where did they get these numbers?
If it's not enough to change the outcome they wouldn't do it then right?
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How to spot someone who didn't pay attention in statistics class. That statement is a mathematical impossibility.
(Besides, if mail-in voting was truly secure, the Democrats wouldn't have been pushing for it night and day for 3 straight months.)
Sooooo let’s say I flip a quarter 100,000 times, it’s gonna land heads up 100,000 times....kinda like all these other votes....alllllllll went to Biden???
the statement that mail-in doesnt increase the chance of fraud by itself makes this person into a smooth brain
Now do the likihood of being shot by police
So if that's the case....why did they spend 4 years believing in election fraud?...
Hahah right
The fact that these people are ok with this number bring anything greater than zero tells us everything we need to know about them.
Voter fraud is thousands of times more likely than dying of COVID-1984
If there is a chance for cheating the rule of thumb is that the left will cheat. Small or largenots the only way they can win. This ztate.ent above is more proof of wrong doing you can ask for. Denial and projection are their tools.
TRUMP WON PERIOD WE ALL KNOW IT. ITS THE PEOPLES HOUSE NOT THE DEEP STATES. LIBERTY OR DEATH