Because such a large part of their economy is from us. Britain desperately needs a US trade deal since leaving the EU. Russia is more neutral and objective because they don't depend on us.
We are in the same position as you, but with no GEOTUS and a choice between commies and cucks. I doubt we've had a fair election for hundreds of years. The people who voted Brexit are hostages to a corrupt government that represents us as well as the JoHo admnistration would represent you.
By all means shoot or hang every single one of our politicians - but recognise that the majority of the people here are cheering for orange man just like you are.
The sad thing is that it’s probably like that in a lot of places. I know several Dem voters and they all mean well. They genuinely believe that they are voting for what’s best for the country, and none do them identify as Marxists. It’s the politicians that are crooked; most people, even in the extremely cucked areas, are basically well meaning and okay.
Not necessarily. He throws support behind Trump, who has been tougher on Russia than any other President, to fire up even more insane lefties who have been shrieking "OH NO, RUSSIA! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIAAAAAAA!!!!!!" for four years already, in an attempt to cause more American strife to pressure government employees and politicians to put pressure on Trump to concede. A concession is the ONLY thing that can give Biden a chance at this point. So long as we fight, he has to face the judgment on the RAMPANT fraud.
First of all, it is not self-evident that being tough on Russia is preferable, and it is not clear to which degree that's true.
It was a forced response from Trump due to the Russia Collusion Hoax narrative. It's possible that the relations are actually quite good, and preferable to that of the Kleptocrat party, who may or may not be insane at times.
But you could be right of course, and Putin plays reverse psychology to assist Biden.
I think however that the Marxist left and the rather Nationalist Russia are ideologically not compatible, and that the deep state will seek to have new enemies.
Russia absolutely wants people like Biden "in charge" because they're insanely corrupt and easier to deal with
He's got no leverage over Trump and he can't bribe him, any deal he tries to negotiate with Trump must be favorable to the United States or it won't be accepted.
I don’t buy this for a second. You may be largely unfamiliar with Putin’s agenda. He has made it a point to destroy western progressive ideology in Russia and he is very, very clear about that publicly. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is insincere about restoring traditional values at home and abroad. There is no evidence whatsoever that he prefers a Biden presidency.
How about that he can bribe that idiot to do whatever he wants?
Is Putin an enemy of the globalist new world order? Yes. Is Putin an enemy of neoliberalism and western progressivism, which is just a rebranded version of marxism? Yes. However the most important thing to remember is that Putin's primary concern is the well being of the Russian state. What do you think might have happened if Russia had seized the Crimea during Trump's Presidency? Just as an example.
How about that he can bribe that idiot to do whatever he wants?
What about it? The fact that the Bidens are easily bribed does not necessarily make them the preferred candidate of all foreign heads of state. Think about it, he can be bribed by the Europeans too, no? Or the fucking Ukranians for the matter. Again, no proof AT ALL of your assertions.
What do you think might have happened if Russia had seized the Crimea during Trump's Presidency?
This wouldn't have happened during a Trump presidency for more complex reasons than it's necessary to go into.
If Trump had been president there would have been no deep state coup in Ukraine and no reason to take crimea and therefore no reason to put further sanctions on Russia.
Doesn't matter if they're compatible. Russia has opportunity to take the leadership role when the current leader (America!) is weakened. So you maneuver to bring in the weaker leader.
Russia is in no position to rebuild its empire right now. The main reason they have to be as shrewd and shady as they are is because they otherwise can't challenge other major world powers, economically or militarily. At this point in time, I think Russia stands to gain more in teaming up with the US than in trying to tear it down, particularly with regards to Chinese imperialism in the forthcoming decades.
Biden would almost certainly try to stir up some shit with Russia too, like Obama did and like Hillary wanted to.
Hungary and Slovenia say the election is not over. They stand with Trump, and so do I, as a Hungarian-German. I am proud to have Orban not cucking in to the Kleptocrats like the rest of the Euro-Faggots.
Honestly believe he respects Trumps intelligence. He wants peace with America to ally against China and knows Biden will rage war against Russia as soon as he gains power.
Yeah, it’s tough to watch all the people on here literally just regurgitating stupid talking points from all the intel agency goons (oh, they’re wrong about literally everything BUT Russia, okay). Russia is not our enemy. There is zero evidence that they “want” a Biden presidency or that they influence our elections in any manner whatsoever. In fact, election reporting by Russian news agencies has been INCREDIBLY fair, far more than the reporting put out by any other major domestic or international press that I have seen. Guys... stop with the Russia, Russia, Russia bullshit. Put the newspaper down and walk away slowly for fuck’s sake.
I think if it comes down to it, Putin knows China is a bigger threat to the world than old soviet-american fueds. I'd wager if China started some shit with the US, that Russia may actually side with America
If you look at Russian actions over the last 20 years you’ll see that they’re always trying to increase integration with the west. It’s just that they keep getting rejected because they aren’t a deep state vassal.
Putin isn't nearly as bad as most people make him out to be. Yes, he has political opponents killed from time to time, and makes sure to keep himself very wealthy through less than above-board means. But he has a world-view that is hard for us to comprehend.
Remember, he came of age in Soviet Russia, and worked his way up through the KGB ranks while realizing that the whole Soviet thing was bound to collapse, and preparing to transition his career when that happened. His mother was active in the persecuted Russian Orthodox Church during the Soviet era and had him secretly baptized as an infant. He attends Russian Orthodox Church services on the major holy days. Does he really believe in it? Who knows, but he's long been on a mission to restore Russia's pre-Soviet greatness. His methods appear to be quite noble when compared to those of the Soviet machine that he grew up under and worked under as a young adult, and I believe that's how he justifies them to himself -- the ends justify the means, for the greater good, and all that.
Yes, there is something good even in the most evil people in history.
Even Hitler has his good things, like being literally the first to adopt animal cruelty laws etc.
Putin has invaded Ukraine, Georgia etc, and somewhat crushed his most vocal opponents / has let his buddies crush them, but even he has some good points.
You also need to look at the realistic alternatives, i.e. who else could have been running Russia, and what they would have done. And I do think Putin looks at it this way. He does some awful things to stay in power and keep Russia relatively wealthy. He has also seen much more awful things done in the Soviet Union, many more people killed and ruthlessly oppressed, and in the end the killers/oppressors had nothing of value to show for it, just a collapsing economy and nation, and knows he's doing much better than his predecessors.
And I think he looks at the US, which has gone further and further into extreme protection of individual rights and coddling of illegal immigrants, as demanded by the left and tolerated by the spineless right, and sees that what we've ended up with is a country being controlled by violent rioters, nonexistent election integrity, every productive person in the country being turned into a slave via taxation which funds leftist indoctrination centers where there used to be actual schools and colleges and oppressive government regulation of virtually everything, parents being bankrupted in custody battles over what sex their child actually is (while their child is subjected to horrific and orreversible medical "treatments", which are starting to be reminiscent of Hitler's pal Dr. Mengele), and so on. We may actually be on the brink of civil war and who knows how many might die in that scenario.
I think Putin is hard-hearted enough to simply do the math re the body counts of alternative courses of political/military action, and go with the one that has a lower estimated body count, even if only slightly lower, and of course giving extra weight to Russian bodies, because he's the President of Russia, not President of the world. And I think he looks at all the types of dead bodies pretty equally -- killed by military action, killed by cold and starvation resulting from political action (I'm sure his mother filled him in on the harsh realities of that), killed by alcohol poisoning resulting from endless despair, etc.
I wish the world was different, in a way that wouldn't require an honest assessment of someone who operates the way Putin does, as a not-so-bad person. But it isn't different. He's not a monster, like Stalin, Castro, Mao, Pol Pot, or the Kims of North Korea, or even a ruthless oppressor like Xi Jinping. And he's not a completely self-absorbed tyrant, like Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, and that ilk. And Russia could do a lot, lot worse for a leader, as its history has made painfully clear (and likewise, Russia's neighbors could do a lot, lot worse for a Russian leader).
And I don't think no one is claiming he is anywhere the worst dictators in the world. You can still mostly go to Russia, get out of there, live there and not be killed. Or even really fear for anything.
All the problems of the Putin government are pretty local (Ukraine, Georgia etc), or specific to only some people (the most vocal critics, lunatics etc)
I do not think anyone is really claiming most of the people in Russia are living in complete agony, in fear of the big bad Putin.
I think the West has a massive, massive immigration problem, but Russia also has somewhat the same, with a rising percentage of muslims + foreigners.
You can still mostly go to Russia, get out of there, live there and not be killed. Or even really fear for anything.
All very true. And all very different from the Soviet Russia that Putin came of age in and built his early career in. I'm willing to give credit where it's due, even to people who commit some very disturbing acts.
Putin is not stupid, he knows there was serious voter fraud. One thing about Putin he is one of the most intelligent leaders in the world. I'd say he is smarter than most any other leader out there. Not always the nicest guy but he is no dummy.
So Putin has more integrity than the media and a large part of America.
Good to know
He knows what Trump has.
slowly assimilating into a Russian bot
Because such a large part of their economy is from us. Britain desperately needs a US trade deal since leaving the EU. Russia is more neutral and objective because they don't depend on us.
They thought America was going to have their back after Brexit. Good luck.
We are in the same position as you, but with no GEOTUS and a choice between commies and cucks. I doubt we've had a fair election for hundreds of years. The people who voted Brexit are hostages to a corrupt government that represents us as well as the JoHo admnistration would represent you.
By all means shoot or hang every single one of our politicians - but recognise that the majority of the people here are cheering for orange man just like you are.
The sad thing is that it’s probably like that in a lot of places. I know several Dem voters and they all mean well. They genuinely believe that they are voting for what’s best for the country, and none do them identify as Marxists. It’s the politicians that are crooked; most people, even in the extremely cucked areas, are basically well meaning and okay.
Well, excepting Portland. Portland is not okay.
More class than Israel.
Absolutely.
Sadly
Not necessarily. He throws support behind Trump, who has been tougher on Russia than any other President, to fire up even more insane lefties who have been shrieking "OH NO, RUSSIA! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIAAAAAAA!!!!!!" for four years already, in an attempt to cause more American strife to pressure government employees and politicians to put pressure on Trump to concede. A concession is the ONLY thing that can give Biden a chance at this point. So long as we fight, he has to face the judgment on the RAMPANT fraud.
First of all, it is not self-evident that being tough on Russia is preferable, and it is not clear to which degree that's true.
It was a forced response from Trump due to the Russia Collusion Hoax narrative. It's possible that the relations are actually quite good, and preferable to that of the Kleptocrat party, who may or may not be insane at times.
But you could be right of course, and Putin plays reverse psychology to assist Biden.
I think however that the Marxist left and the rather Nationalist Russia are ideologically not compatible, and that the deep state will seek to have new enemies.
Russia absolutely wants people like Biden "in charge" because they're insanely corrupt and easier to deal with
He's got no leverage over Trump and he can't bribe him, any deal he tries to negotiate with Trump must be favorable to the United States or it won't be accepted.
I don’t buy this for a second. You may be largely unfamiliar with Putin’s agenda. He has made it a point to destroy western progressive ideology in Russia and he is very, very clear about that publicly. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is insincere about restoring traditional values at home and abroad. There is no evidence whatsoever that he prefers a Biden presidency.
How about that he can bribe that idiot to do whatever he wants?
Is Putin an enemy of the globalist new world order? Yes. Is Putin an enemy of neoliberalism and western progressivism, which is just a rebranded version of marxism? Yes. However the most important thing to remember is that Putin's primary concern is the well being of the Russian state. What do you think might have happened if Russia had seized the Crimea during Trump's Presidency? Just as an example.
What about it? The fact that the Bidens are easily bribed does not necessarily make them the preferred candidate of all foreign heads of state. Think about it, he can be bribed by the Europeans too, no? Or the fucking Ukranians for the matter. Again, no proof AT ALL of your assertions.
This wouldn't have happened during a Trump presidency for more complex reasons than it's necessary to go into.
If Trump had been president there would have been no deep state coup in Ukraine and no reason to take crimea and therefore no reason to put further sanctions on Russia.
Biden in charge = intelligence agencies in charge
Intelligence agencies in charge probably muddy the waters for a guy like Putin
I wish we had better relations with Russia. Putin is no friend of the globalists and a patriotic US with a strong ally in Russia would be gigantic.
Doesn't matter if they're compatible. Russia has opportunity to take the leadership role when the current leader (America!) is weakened. So you maneuver to bring in the weaker leader.
Russia is in no position to rebuild its empire right now. The main reason they have to be as shrewd and shady as they are is because they otherwise can't challenge other major world powers, economically or militarily. At this point in time, I think Russia stands to gain more in teaming up with the US than in trying to tear it down, particularly with regards to Chinese imperialism in the forthcoming decades.
Biden would almost certainly try to stir up some shit with Russia too, like Obama did and like Hillary wanted to.
That’s called a bare assertion. It’s when you have zero proof for something but you go ahead say it’s true anyway because things.
putin is ok with being tough
in fact it is the only way to get respect from russians
no soy allowed in mother russia
And Israeli Prime Minister
Isn't that what Mexico's President said as well as Slovenia, Poland, Brazil, and Hungary?
Belligerents: Mexico, slovenia, russia, Trump-America, Biden-America, (((Israel))), shill europe, poland, India, china, Brazil, and Hungary.
Ok look I live here
Be dead in a couple weeks once we cut their supply lines.
Consider that 4 million of us are political hostages here
I heard that rap song. We steady cucking? Big hit in CA.
Hungary and Slovenia say the election is not over. They stand with Trump, and so do I, as a Hungarian-German. I am proud to have Orban not cucking in to the Kleptocrats like the rest of the Euro-Faggots.
Germany as usual a total disgrace.
Germany been like that ever since the good guys lost ww2
kek
God, I adore my ancestral homeland...
Ha! Fitting name. ;)
netanjahy failed us
The dude just knows they’re full of shit.
they all know fake news is fake news, its just hes the "bad guy" so he can call it out.
Honestly believe he respects Trumps intelligence. He wants peace with America to ally against China and knows Biden will rage war against Russia as soon as he gains power.
Russians just want to be left alone. Just like Americans.
This. also ciaramella was traitor
Yeah, it’s tough to watch all the people on here literally just regurgitating stupid talking points from all the intel agency goons (oh, they’re wrong about literally everything BUT Russia, okay). Russia is not our enemy. There is zero evidence that they “want” a Biden presidency or that they influence our elections in any manner whatsoever. In fact, election reporting by Russian news agencies has been INCREDIBLY fair, far more than the reporting put out by any other major domestic or international press that I have seen. Guys... stop with the Russia, Russia, Russia bullshit. Put the newspaper down and walk away slowly for fuck’s sake.
That's what every other leader should do but the left will start now Russia, Russia, Russia!
I guess Russia is to not have a voice, so it doesn't upset leftards in this country...../s
I think if it comes down to it, Putin knows China is a bigger threat to the world than old soviet-american fueds. I'd wager if China started some shit with the US, that Russia may actually side with America
If you look at Russian actions over the last 20 years you’ll see that they’re always trying to increase integration with the west. It’s just that they keep getting rejected because they aren’t a deep state vassal.
I'd rather negotiate good terms with 10 Russia's than a single venezuela
Russia hates China so this seems pretty likely.
DADDY PUTIN. I FUCKING KNEW IT.
OH NO BOYS, THIS MEANS RUSSIA STOLE THE ELECTION AGAIN!
This will be the narrative, I'm betting on it now
RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE!!!!!!!
Actually, he is smart enough to know that GEOTUS won’t be so equitable in Term Two if he does something that stupid. . .
people will call this interference. Lol. he is literally trying his best NOT to interfere. In the fight against globalism he is an ally
As ex- KGB, he probably knows more about the election process in this country than ANY of the people that accuse Trump of colluding with him.
One hour later. PUTIN ENDORSES TRUMP - MSM + FOX
Putin isn't nearly as bad as most people make him out to be. Yes, he has political opponents killed from time to time, and makes sure to keep himself very wealthy through less than above-board means. But he has a world-view that is hard for us to comprehend.
Remember, he came of age in Soviet Russia, and worked his way up through the KGB ranks while realizing that the whole Soviet thing was bound to collapse, and preparing to transition his career when that happened. His mother was active in the persecuted Russian Orthodox Church during the Soviet era and had him secretly baptized as an infant. He attends Russian Orthodox Church services on the major holy days. Does he really believe in it? Who knows, but he's long been on a mission to restore Russia's pre-Soviet greatness. His methods appear to be quite noble when compared to those of the Soviet machine that he grew up under and worked under as a young adult, and I believe that's how he justifies them to himself -- the ends justify the means, for the greater good, and all that.
Yes, there is something good even in the most evil people in history.
Even Hitler has his good things, like being literally the first to adopt animal cruelty laws etc.
Putin has invaded Ukraine, Georgia etc, and somewhat crushed his most vocal opponents / has let his buddies crush them, but even he has some good points.
You also need to look at the realistic alternatives, i.e. who else could have been running Russia, and what they would have done. And I do think Putin looks at it this way. He does some awful things to stay in power and keep Russia relatively wealthy. He has also seen much more awful things done in the Soviet Union, many more people killed and ruthlessly oppressed, and in the end the killers/oppressors had nothing of value to show for it, just a collapsing economy and nation, and knows he's doing much better than his predecessors.
And I think he looks at the US, which has gone further and further into extreme protection of individual rights and coddling of illegal immigrants, as demanded by the left and tolerated by the spineless right, and sees that what we've ended up with is a country being controlled by violent rioters, nonexistent election integrity, every productive person in the country being turned into a slave via taxation which funds leftist indoctrination centers where there used to be actual schools and colleges and oppressive government regulation of virtually everything, parents being bankrupted in custody battles over what sex their child actually is (while their child is subjected to horrific and orreversible medical "treatments", which are starting to be reminiscent of Hitler's pal Dr. Mengele), and so on. We may actually be on the brink of civil war and who knows how many might die in that scenario.
I think Putin is hard-hearted enough to simply do the math re the body counts of alternative courses of political/military action, and go with the one that has a lower estimated body count, even if only slightly lower, and of course giving extra weight to Russian bodies, because he's the President of Russia, not President of the world. And I think he looks at all the types of dead bodies pretty equally -- killed by military action, killed by cold and starvation resulting from political action (I'm sure his mother filled him in on the harsh realities of that), killed by alcohol poisoning resulting from endless despair, etc.
I wish the world was different, in a way that wouldn't require an honest assessment of someone who operates the way Putin does, as a not-so-bad person. But it isn't different. He's not a monster, like Stalin, Castro, Mao, Pol Pot, or the Kims of North Korea, or even a ruthless oppressor like Xi Jinping. And he's not a completely self-absorbed tyrant, like Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi, and that ilk. And Russia could do a lot, lot worse for a leader, as its history has made painfully clear (and likewise, Russia's neighbors could do a lot, lot worse for a Russian leader).
Yes, Russia could do worse.
And I don't think no one is claiming he is anywhere the worst dictators in the world. You can still mostly go to Russia, get out of there, live there and not be killed. Or even really fear for anything.
All the problems of the Putin government are pretty local (Ukraine, Georgia etc), or specific to only some people (the most vocal critics, lunatics etc)
I do not think anyone is really claiming most of the people in Russia are living in complete agony, in fear of the big bad Putin.
I think the West has a massive, massive immigration problem, but Russia also has somewhat the same, with a rising percentage of muslims + foreigners.
All very true. And all very different from the Soviet Russia that Putin came of age in and built his early career in. I'm willing to give credit where it's due, even to people who commit some very disturbing acts.
Shows who has been dealing honestly with Trump, and who hasn’t.
Putin is not stupid, he knows there was serious voter fraud. One thing about Putin he is one of the most intelligent leaders in the world. I'd say he is smarter than most any other leader out there. Not always the nicest guy but he is no dummy.
If there's one thing Putin knows, it's what a rigged election looks like.
Wonder what would happen if he said no way Biden could win because of how well they helped Trump out...
Liberals heads would explode at a rate never before seen!
Meanwhile Netanyahu congratulate Biden. Every. single. time.
Can't write this shit up HAHAHAA
OMG. It's proof of Russian collusion to defraud the last election.
Even though fraud is impossible in this one.
When you trust Putin more than the left, you dun know they fucked up
Lol. Based Putin?
Good for you President Putin
The Russians wanted Hillary in 2016.
Hurr durr Drumpfers see this is proof Trump is a Russian puppet
Reeeeeee.
Say what you want about Putin, but he is a very smart man.
hilarious. he's a guy who steals elections. so consider this him saying "you didn't steal your election very well"
Rachel Madcow will jump on this one
RUSSIAN INTERFEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE
Putin is a crude way to say chamberpot damn Russians learn some manners.
KeK Based Russia Is Based KeK
And if ANYONE knows how an election is rigged....he knows it when he sees it
Yeah, makes sense that he'd be cautious of counting out Trump.... Putin should be familiar enough with election fraud to tell something is up.
Even Putin knows what is up.
What a timeline.