It's voter fraud if the republican candidate gets any votes for any reason; it's undeniably legitimate if the democrat gets votes for any reason in every circumstance no matter what and everyone that thinks otherwise is a bigoted, murdering, racist.
Yep. And predictably this always leads to them playing both sides. One on hand: "it never happens" (because it isn't caught)
On the other hand, when it is discovered: "see it happens at such a small rate we shouldn't worry about it."
Don't even need to do that. Just compare to the other supposed swing states like OH, MN, IA, FL. Voters in these states should have a similar attitude towards this election and if there is a high amount of voters that literally just wanted to vote for Biden and no one else, they should show up here as well, no?
Don't even need to do that. Just compare the ballots counted earlier in the night versus later in the night. If the ballots counted after midnight, when all of the poll watchers had "gone home for the night", show wildly disproportionate absence of down-ballot votes, then you're looking at fraudulent manufactured votes.
Compare the non swing states, where there's no incentive to cheat. If it's common to vote for just the president, then it should be in a comparable rate in ... Well, really every state.
If you make the effort to show up, surely you spend an extra 15 seconds to vote for everything. I can imagine it being different if voting was mandatory as it is in my country (Aus) but when it's your choice? You fill out the whole ballot.
I guess you could make an argument that 450,000 idiots thought that a vote for president was a "straight ticket" vote. That's the only thing I can think of as an excuse.
How many "just Trump" votes were there? If 50-150k then these scream fraud. As the number gets higher the counterargument becomes "Because people who hate politics also HATE Trump".
Context is king. And without the "just Trump" numbers, we lack context.
it was pretty low (5.1-6.8%) until McGovern in 1968 when it spiked to 9.7%. It remained above 8.4% until it peaked at 1984 at 11%, and remained high in 1988. Since then it's been 4.7 (1996) - 6.9% (1992) range. Last year it was 5.9%. This year, so far based on results received, it's 3.8% - the lowest on record.
Edit: It's even lower in Michigan and Georgia, 2% in Michigan and 2.2% in Georgia.
Edit 2: Low means very few votes which voted for President but not the House.
I’d seriously like to know the historical % of this. Can’t imagine it’s a popular thing to do.
There are NYT articles from 2012 that say fraud and inconsistencies increase when absentee and mail in’s are widely used to vote.
Now none of these fake news media talk a word about the risks of mail in voting ...
As per Twitter the voter fraud percentage is 0.0005%. I don’t know what constitutes fraud by twitters definition.
If a county voting for trump gets switched to pedo now because of a glitch , that’s fraud and it’s damn more than 0.0005% FFS
It's voter fraud if the republican candidate cheats.
It's voter fraud if the republican candidate gets any votes for any reason; it's undeniably legitimate if the democrat gets votes for any reason in every circumstance no matter what and everyone that thinks otherwise is a bigoted, murdering, racist.
Underrated.
Imagine if we had an honest media. Imagine the things we could accomplish.
We’d have a colony on Mars by now.
This is such BS. There is no way to know this.
Plus probabilities mean jack shit when it is a decision. With the stakes of this election the probability was 100%.
what a bullshit number they pulled straight out of their asses lol
fraud, by definition, is often difficult to catch - that's why people do it
Yep. And predictably this always leads to them playing both sides. One on hand: "it never happens" (because it isn't caught) On the other hand, when it is discovered: "see it happens at such a small rate we shouldn't worry about it."
Don't even need to do that. Just compare to the other supposed swing states like OH, MN, IA, FL. Voters in these states should have a similar attitude towards this election and if there is a high amount of voters that literally just wanted to vote for Biden and no one else, they should show up here as well, no?
This needs to be highlighted
Nah it was just a few counties that were conveniently enough to win key states.
Don't even need to do that. Just compare the ballots counted earlier in the night versus later in the night. If the ballots counted after midnight, when all of the poll watchers had "gone home for the night", show wildly disproportionate absence of down-ballot votes, then you're looking at fraudulent manufactured votes.
Compare the non swing states, where there's no incentive to cheat. If it's common to vote for just the president, then it should be in a comparable rate in ... Well, really every state.
If you make the effort to show up, surely you spend an extra 15 seconds to vote for everything. I can imagine it being different if voting was mandatory as it is in my country (Aus) but when it's your choice? You fill out the whole ballot.
I guess you could make an argument that 450,000 idiots thought that a vote for president was a "straight ticket" vote. That's the only thing I can think of as an excuse.
How many "just Trump" votes were there? If 50-150k then these scream fraud. As the number gets higher the counterargument becomes "Because people who hate politics also HATE Trump".
Context is king. And without the "just Trump" numbers, we lack context.
Last time I checked Georgia it was 1000 Trump. 10,000 Biden. Only a 10x diference. No big deal guys. /s
Essentially zero. People were more likely to vote for Republican down ballot and skip trump than they were to vote for trump and skip downballot
it was pretty low (5.1-6.8%) until McGovern in 1968 when it spiked to 9.7%. It remained above 8.4% until it peaked at 1984 at 11%, and remained high in 1988. Since then it's been 4.7 (1996) - 6.9% (1992) range. Last year it was 5.9%. This year, so far based on results received, it's 3.8% - the lowest on record.
Edit: It's even lower in Michigan and Georgia, 2% in Michigan and 2.2% in Georgia.
Edit 2: Low means very few votes which voted for President but not the House.