Wait, they are suing on the grounds of unequal access and unequal treatment...what about ballot deadlines? That is a huge issue, if the late votes are tossed then that alone would give the state to Trump. Is that deadline somehow implied in the grounds they just announced?
This is our one shot, we best not miss and get it all tossed because the legal team took the wrong angle.
Being able to vote late makes cheating 1000x easier. You know exactly how many fake ballots you need and where, and you have days to forge them, or go door-to-door in the hood buying votes.
Oh of course, that’s why I want to make sure they are not ignoring that angle. I have total faith in Trump but there was a case or two in his presidency that went the other way because of the way the case was brought, rather than the issue itself. The court can’t do your work for you. They won’t say “well there wasn’t enough unequal treatment or access to rule against PA, but the deadlines thing is a dealbreaker and even though you didn’t bring it up we’ll rule in your favor due to that”.
Also, a big thing you are leaving out with late votes and cheating is that you know how many you CAN make by deducting ballots returned from ballots mailed and/or number of votes cast from total registered. It allows for extremely precise fraud.
My worry is that the unequal access/treatment angle doesn't really get into this. It seems to me (non lawyer) that this wasn't the better angle over what you and others have talked about. If there are any lawyer pedes here I would love to hear their input on this tactic.
That's why the Trump legal team is suing in federal court over Republican poll watchers being blocked from observing the count of mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania (and other states). That is key. Giuliani and company are alleging that Democrat operatives blocked Republican poll watchers from observing precisely BECAUSE they were mixing in the post-election day ballots with the rest, as well as separating them from their original envelopes thus severing their tracibility and making it impossible to verify signatures, in addition to other fraudulent activities. Signature verification as a requirement was struck down by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court (along with the 8pm election day deadline). This is setting up to where the only fair and equitable remedy the U.S SCOTUS can provide is to 1)discount ALL the hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots not observed by Republican poll watchers or 2) vacate Pennsylvania's entire election because it is so tainted by fraud and unconstitutional effects of the PA SCOTUS over the election that was supposed to go by the rules of their state legislature. Samuel Alito ordering all post election day ballots be separated from the others was a signal from the Supreme Court 1) that they have the number of Justices required to agree to hear the case from the Trump team and 2) that post election day ballots and the handling thereof will be a huge factor in the case. If Dems are found to have violated Samuel Alito's order to separate post election day ballots they will be found in contempt of court and that will not bode well for them.
Keep in mind, the "no votes after 8pm on election day" isn't just about counting ballots from voters who procrastinated on sending their mail in. What it's really about is counting ballots generated by Democrats at 4am to rig an election and mixing them in with the rest of the votes while not allowing Republicans to observe what was going on.....
I personally agree with all of this. I am just concerned that the unequal access to observation doesn't directly address all the fraud. It's like they stop just shy of what would really get scotus to throw out PA for all those reasons you discuss.
This is our one shot, we best not miss and get it all tossed because the legal team took the wrong angle.
Exactly, and trying to clean up all this election nonsense and Elector nonsense during the rest of the years non-election cycle is rather hard or impossible.
Wait, they are suing on the grounds of unequal access and unequal treatment...what about ballot deadlines? That is a huge issue, if the late votes are tossed then that alone would give the state to Trump. Is that deadline somehow implied in the grounds they just announced?
This is our one shot, we best not miss and get it all tossed because the legal team took the wrong angle.
Being able to vote late makes cheating 1000x easier. You know exactly how many fake ballots you need and where, and you have days to forge them, or go door-to-door in the hood buying votes.
Oh of course, that’s why I want to make sure they are not ignoring that angle. I have total faith in Trump but there was a case or two in his presidency that went the other way because of the way the case was brought, rather than the issue itself. The court can’t do your work for you. They won’t say “well there wasn’t enough unequal treatment or access to rule against PA, but the deadlines thing is a dealbreaker and even though you didn’t bring it up we’ll rule in your favor due to that”.
Also, a big thing you are leaving out with late votes and cheating is that you know how many you CAN make by deducting ballots returned from ballots mailed and/or number of votes cast from total registered. It allows for extremely precise fraud.
its already PA law that late ballots are illegal. Theyve already been ordered, TWICE, by scotus to separate them. This angle has not been forgotten
My worry is that the unequal access/treatment angle doesn't really get into this. It seems to me (non lawyer) that this wasn't the better angle over what you and others have talked about. If there are any lawyer pedes here I would love to hear their input on this tactic.
Ok good. That one seems like it’s open and shut IMO. Have you seen any quality analysis of it by any chance?
That's why the Trump legal team is suing in federal court over Republican poll watchers being blocked from observing the count of mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania (and other states). That is key. Giuliani and company are alleging that Democrat operatives blocked Republican poll watchers from observing precisely BECAUSE they were mixing in the post-election day ballots with the rest, as well as separating them from their original envelopes thus severing their tracibility and making it impossible to verify signatures, in addition to other fraudulent activities. Signature verification as a requirement was struck down by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court (along with the 8pm election day deadline). This is setting up to where the only fair and equitable remedy the U.S SCOTUS can provide is to 1)discount ALL the hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots not observed by Republican poll watchers or 2) vacate Pennsylvania's entire election because it is so tainted by fraud and unconstitutional effects of the PA SCOTUS over the election that was supposed to go by the rules of their state legislature. Samuel Alito ordering all post election day ballots be separated from the others was a signal from the Supreme Court 1) that they have the number of Justices required to agree to hear the case from the Trump team and 2) that post election day ballots and the handling thereof will be a huge factor in the case. If Dems are found to have violated Samuel Alito's order to separate post election day ballots they will be found in contempt of court and that will not bode well for them.
Keep in mind, the "no votes after 8pm on election day" isn't just about counting ballots from voters who procrastinated on sending their mail in. What it's really about is counting ballots generated by Democrats at 4am to rig an election and mixing them in with the rest of the votes while not allowing Republicans to observe what was going on.....
I personally agree with all of this. I am just concerned that the unequal access to observation doesn't directly address all the fraud. It's like they stop just shy of what would really get scotus to throw out PA for all those reasons you discuss.
Exactly, and trying to clean up all this election nonsense and Elector nonsense during the rest of the years non-election cycle is rather hard or impossible.
https://thedonald.win/p/11PpYdveev/x/c/1ATC9URhjt
But so far, no way to cut through all the noise.