When the media uses the term 'WIDESPREAD' as it relates to voter fraud, that is their free pass. They will bleet it constantly because they know there is fraud but by using widespread that gives them their cover.
There is fraud, but only in what are the most important states that everyone knew about since 2016.
If your lefty acquaintances try to say there's no "widespread" fraud, ask them how many illegal votes they think are acceptable. Ask them what about if someone got hold of their bank card and started taking money. How many dollars before it would be "widespread" enough to make them care? Imagine the bank telling you "Well, $900 isn't widespread debit card fraud." That wouldn't go over too well with most people.