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Magafactured -1 points ago +1 / -2

Ahh, you’re having a different discussion. If you want to have that discussion, I’ll have it with you as well.

  1. So did white college students. Is that because of their ethnicity or not? hmmm...

  2. Unless you have the might & inclination to send out the death or deportation squads for everyone that disagrees with you, you have one path toward victory, and that is changing people's minds. If you've got a mind-control device, get it to Trump and let's get this over with, otherwise send me a postcard from fantasyland.

  3. What is the rate of change for the minds of multiple groups under heavy propaganda for several generations - fast or slow? (hint: not fast)

With the goal being the tipping point of those groups voting de facto for conservative sanity, what do you want to see leading up to the switch?

Record-setting progress.

Do I wish it was higher and done with? Of course, dude. Is it the greatest percentage change in history? Yep.

If your point is that you want it to change faster, then pony up that mind-control device, cuz I will gladly push the button. If your point is that nothing is changing, then you are arguing against statistics, not for them.

Edit: downvote me more, tough guys, you are pleasurably tickling my balls, lol.

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OranjeBlanjeBlou 5 points ago +5 / -0

We don’t need death/deportation squads. We need laws saying only tax-positive people can vote. That would solve all of this.

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Magafactured 1 point ago +2 / -1

I am 100% on board with that. It seems extremely unlikely that legislation supporting our position would ever be passed, because that would currently take (require) the vote of everyone who doesn’t pay taxes. Why would they vote to end their own ability to vote for free stuff? So it looks like we’re back to “changing minds.“

However, as we get more people voting outside of their identity politics block, I suppose it has a greater chance.

If you have a good plan to make that happen, i’m with you completely.

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OranjeBlanjeBlou 4 points ago +4 / -0

I appreciate the rationalist perspectiveyoure giving here, the “so what?” If we’re in agreement what the real solution is, we can talk about mid-level steps to get toward the real answers.

Additionally, to answer your #1 above, white college students voted Biden. White people as a whole voted Trump. Clearly the ethnicity is not what’s making them vote badly. With minorities though, it doesn’t matter if you control for education, income, or sex- they vote dem. On that one, the ethnicity IS the common factor.

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Magafactured 2 points ago +2 / -0

If part of my position sounds like hyperbolic optimism, it’s only because I perceive a single path out of this bullshit. in the Marine Corps we had a phrase called “embrace the suck” which you probably heard, and obviously means reconcile yourself to the shittiness of reality, so you can choose the best path to get the f out of it.

To base one's analysis on “this group's history of voting” for the past 50 yrs discounts the current trend, and has zero benefit (my opinion) - what is anyone’s response to “they’ve always done it this way and it will never change“ supposed to be? Is it hopeless?

If you believed it’s hopeless (And I’ll admit that a. I'm fine with that being your opinion, and b. you might very well be right) i’m assuming you wouldn’t even be on the board, because what’s the point?

My position, possibly wrong, is: it’s bad but not hopeless, and there is some clever path out of this problem, and I need to find it.

Good Convo either way 👌