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OranjeBlanjeBlou 4 points ago +4 / -0

I appreciate the rationalist perspectiveyoure giving here, the “so what?” If we’re in agreement what the real solution is, we can talk about mid-level steps to get toward the real answers.

Additionally, to answer your #1 above, white college students voted Biden. White people as a whole voted Trump. Clearly the ethnicity is not what’s making them vote badly. With minorities though, it doesn’t matter if you control for education, income, or sex- they vote dem. On that one, the ethnicity IS the common factor.

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Magafactured 2 points ago +2 / -0

If part of my position sounds like hyperbolic optimism, it’s only because I perceive a single path out of this bullshit. in the Marine Corps we had a phrase called “embrace the suck” which you probably heard, and obviously means reconcile yourself to the shittiness of reality, so you can choose the best path to get the f out of it.

To base one's analysis on “this group's history of voting” for the past 50 yrs discounts the current trend, and has zero benefit (my opinion) - what is anyone’s response to “they’ve always done it this way and it will never change“ supposed to be? Is it hopeless?

If you believed it’s hopeless (And I’ll admit that a. I'm fine with that being your opinion, and b. you might very well be right) i’m assuming you wouldn’t even be on the board, because what’s the point?

My position, possibly wrong, is: it’s bad but not hopeless, and there is some clever path out of this problem, and I need to find it.

Good Convo either way 👌