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Yeah, the green text is nonsense. We were all here on TD complaining about the fraud and abuse going on with the stimulus back then. There was no accurate and detailed tracking, just more government ineptitude.
While true, I don't think they cheated those checks as hard as they cheated the vote. Not to say this is anything more than random shower thought from 4-chan, but something to consider.
While they did send out over a million checks to dead people, that doesn't necessarily mean they were cashed. You could still get an accurate count of which checks to which person were not cashed. I mean how did they realize they sent them to dead people in the first place?
This information would definitely be helpful, but not sure to what extent. I'm gonna do some digging on this.
And I’m going to say that MOST Americans are honest people.
I (would like to) believe that at least 80%+ of Americans are TOO HONEST to cash checks that were mailed to a deceased relative of theirs.
Absolute worst case, they wouldn’t want to go thru the hassle & jump through the hoops of trying to cash a check for a deceased relative....or is that easy if you have Power of Attorney?
Either way.... a million is not that many & still helps give an accurate count.
This is all nonsense, if more people voted than adults who exist in the country, it might have a point, but that is not the case.
As far as people who voted who did not get a stimulus, that does not prove anything, people who were on the IRS books got a check, or if they otherwise requested it. theoretically, if someone did not file taxes, and did not request it, they wouldn't have got it
That's fair. It just doesn't sound like the smoking gun that the 4chan post makes it seem, to me at least. If that ends up taking down the fraud machine, though, I'll be very happy to have been wrong.
i don't think you're right on here, in that you can use totals. They may have sent out a bunch of checks to dead people, but did those dead people cash them?
if you have vote totals that are much higher than the amount of stimulus checks counted, how do you square that up? These people will vote by mail, but they won't cash checks for free money? how does that work out?
I know eligible US citizens who did not receive a stimulus check, and have to file next year for a "refund." The stimulus checks did not give an accurate profile of the nation.
If you're married the limit is higher. Checks were sent based on previous year tax filing, some people may have had children since then, or gotten married, or had income go up/down changing eligibility. This gets trued up on next tax filing.
But if the fraudulent checks have been identified with some reasonable degree of accuracy then the true number of legit stimulus checks, and in turn the legit number of voting age individuals can be ascertained (again, with some resonable degree of accuracy), no?
Information which can then be used to, if not prove, then at least infer that election fraud did indeed occur on some level.
it's very possible that more people voted than got stimulus checks in battleground areas, and that's exactly the strategy here. Find the areas where they had to cheat so bad that the top-down numbers go wonky.
I’m not sure how it’s any different than cross checking number of registered voters against number of votes cast, but if it strengthens the case then I’m all for it.
This explains why Nancy pelosi blocked the second stimulus bill honesty. A second round of stimulus would’ve even further clarified an accurate voter count
The number of eligible voters is much greater than the number of registered voters. Only 60% or so of eligible voters register to vote and of those registered, 70% of them voting is considered a good turnout. Therefore there are definitely more eligible voters than number of votes tallied for Biden and Trump. They were dumb enough to fake a 90% voter turnout but not dumb enough to fake 100% or more of the eligible voting population voting.
I mean it might be a reference, especially for anyone who moved and wasn't aware they had a ballot mailed in their name, but many, like myself, are fortunate financially and have incomes too great for the individual stimulus.
Nah. The reality is that locking out poll observers can only have one purpose: to commit fraud. That's why it's illegal. And the PA supremes changed the rules without the authority to do it. So the SCOTUS has enough to tell the PA dems to take a long long walk off a short pier. That will take care of NC as well, and MI, and maybe more. That's enough. But there will be other cases.
This IRS thing, it's too difficult to use for actual proof in court, but maybe it can be supporting evidence.
this doesnt account for voters who didnt show up. what's normal turnout? 65%? so they bump it up to 89% for boe jiden and then this doesn't help them at all. i dont see how this helps.
US citizens who are married to non-citizens but files taxes as "Married, filing jointly" were automatically ineligible regardless of their income status. All eligible people doesn't accurately overlap with those eligible to vote - there are gaps
The president who ever he is, his signature is on all checks received by the federal government. This whole Trump signed your check is some bullshit story to piss black people off.
Over 1 million dead people also got stimulus checks mailed to them. I am not filled with optimism.
Yeah, the green text is nonsense. We were all here on TD complaining about the fraud and abuse going on with the stimulus back then. There was no accurate and detailed tracking, just more government ineptitude.
While true, I don't think they cheated those checks as hard as they cheated the vote. Not to say this is anything more than random shower thought from 4-chan, but something to consider.
While they did send out over a million checks to dead people, that doesn't necessarily mean they were cashed. You could still get an accurate count of which checks to which person were not cashed. I mean how did they realize they sent them to dead people in the first place?
This information would definitely be helpful, but not sure to what extent. I'm gonna do some digging on this.
EXACTLY.
And I’m going to say that MOST Americans are honest people. I (would like to) believe that at least 80%+ of Americans are TOO HONEST to cash checks that were mailed to a deceased relative of theirs.
Absolute worst case, they wouldn’t want to go thru the hassle & jump through the hoops of trying to cash a check for a deceased relative....or is that easy if you have Power of Attorney?
Either way.... a million is not that many & still helps give an accurate count.
THIS IS BIG IF TRUE!
I agree. Most are honest. My fil sent back the check for his deceased mother.
.......I rest my case! :-D
This is all nonsense, if more people voted than adults who exist in the country, it might have a point, but that is not the case.
As far as people who voted who did not get a stimulus, that does not prove anything, people who were on the IRS books got a check, or if they otherwise requested it. theoretically, if someone did not file taxes, and did not request it, they wouldn't have got it
Those checks that got cashed can be used to validate a lot of things about eligible voters.
That's fair. It just doesn't sound like the smoking gun that the 4chan post makes it seem, to me at least. If that ends up taking down the fraud machine, though, I'll be very happy to have been wrong.
i don't think you're right on here, in that you can use totals. They may have sent out a bunch of checks to dead people, but did those dead people cash them?
if you have vote totals that are much higher than the amount of stimulus checks counted, how do you square that up? These people will vote by mail, but they won't cash checks for free money? how does that work out?
If we have an accurate count of how many dead people received a check, then we have an accurate count of how many to subtract...
Could it also possibly be used to see dead people who voted?
Thats what I was thinking too.... Know how many dead people, know how many of those voted
But they also didn't cash them.
A lot of it was direct deposit. My mother in law's was direct deposit into her husband's bank account, she passed last year.
I know eligible US citizens who did not receive a stimulus check, and have to file next year for a "refund." The stimulus checks did not give an accurate profile of the nation.
If you earned more than ~$80k you aren't eligible to get anything, check or refund.
If you're married the limit is higher. Checks were sent based on previous year tax filing, some people may have had children since then, or gotten married, or had income go up/down changing eligibility. This gets trued up on next tax filing.
That's why I said eligible.
I also know eligible US citizens who did not get checks
you realize they have these people on another register, right? just cause they didn't get a check, doesn't mean they are not accounted for.
And non citizen residents could also get a check.
Would lower bidens margin by a million, so good enuff
minus the people who make MORE than would allow for a stimulus check. This is a minority here in America though.
And they do count. Their money.
Can confirm...they mailed my dad a stimulus check...he died several years ago....I sent it back of course....
First of all lots of fraud with those checks so no
Second of all unless the total adult count is less than the total who supposedly voted (it isn’t) then this is retarded
But if the fraudulent checks have been identified with some reasonable degree of accuracy then the true number of legit stimulus checks, and in turn the legit number of voting age individuals can be ascertained (again, with some resonable degree of accuracy), no?
Information which can then be used to, if not prove, then at least infer that election fraud did indeed occur on some level.
This is a red herring and if this reasoning was used in court the case would be thrown out.
Unless more people voted than were given checks - it’s completely useless.
it's very possible that more people voted than got stimulus checks in battleground areas, and that's exactly the strategy here. Find the areas where they had to cheat so bad that the top-down numbers go wonky.
This could the case in a few districts. Only need to identify 1 to prove fraud occurred
I’m not sure how it’s any different than cross checking number of registered voters against number of votes cast, but if it strengthens the case then I’m all for it.
I agree, logically this argument is just a noise distraction
Could it be that easy?
Solid point
This explains why Nancy pelosi blocked the second stimulus bill honesty. A second round of stimulus would’ve even further clarified an accurate voter count
Might not be accurate, but it's still a data set.
Not only the dead got checks some turned them down.
It’s a start...
Yuge if true
Not everyone got a "stimulus" check.
Not everyone who votes files their taxes, especially if they're not working or going to school.
The number of eligible voters is much greater than the number of registered voters. Only 60% or so of eligible voters register to vote and of those registered, 70% of them voting is considered a good turnout. Therefore there are definitely more eligible voters than number of votes tallied for Biden and Trump. They were dumb enough to fake a 90% voter turnout but not dumb enough to fake 100% or more of the eligible voting population voting.
Long story short, this ain't gonna work.
I mean it might be a reference, especially for anyone who moved and wasn't aware they had a ballot mailed in their name, but many, like myself, are fortunate financially and have incomes too great for the individual stimulus.
I'm sure info can be used but nah.
That's some seriously stupid tripdrivel, but I will say it would be nice if only taxpayers could vote.
350 million americans, 145 million voted, are there less americans who can legally vote? I dont know about this one boys.
Nah. The reality is that locking out poll observers can only have one purpose: to commit fraud. That's why it's illegal. And the PA supremes changed the rules without the authority to do it. So the SCOTUS has enough to tell the PA dems to take a long long walk off a short pier. That will take care of NC as well, and MI, and maybe more. That's enough. But there will be other cases.
This IRS thing, it's too difficult to use for actual proof in court, but maybe it can be supporting evidence.
There have been reports of people from other countries receiving stimulus checks. Don't hold your breath.
this doesnt account for voters who didnt show up. what's normal turnout? 65%? so they bump it up to 89% for boe jiden and then this doesn't help them at all. i dont see how this helps.
and idiots like my brother didn't file a tax return so he didn't a check
I know a couple people that never got their checks.
I also know they voted for Biden because they were angry about it.
I also know they fucked up their taxes, there was no way they were getting those checks in the first place.
4D baby!
This is just the Dems adding useless noise so people waste their time
Paying income tax isn't the same thing as voter registration or eligibility.
US citizens who are married to non-citizens but files taxes as "Married, filing jointly" were automatically ineligible regardless of their income status. All eligible people doesn't accurately overlap with those eligible to vote - there are gaps
Put a Trump sticker on his auto mobile. 😜
If this turns out to be true than holy shit that was the most 4000 iq mega chad move ever from trump
On a side note that's an amazing profile pic
Eh.
Plenty of people didn't get a stimulus check.
At least 7% make too much money to start with.
This doesn't really pass the smell check, but I'll take it if it helps prove the fraud.
If you think no fraud occurred with the stimulus....
People making more money than a certain threshold didn't get checks.
Not everyone votes though, the irs data has always been there.
Maybe. Not everyone got a check. I know I didn't.
This would only make sense if there were more votes than voters.
That isn't the issue here.
30-40% of eligible voters don't vote. So knowing how many people are eligible to vote does nothing to prove fake ballots were cast.
I'm starting to think that anoying watermark bs wasn't disinformation for us but FOR THEM!
The president who ever he is, his signature is on all checks received by the federal government. This whole Trump signed your check is some bullshit story to piss black people off.
I want to think my government is brilliant.
Would Social Security not play a part in this? I am retired, Social Security check is direct deposit. My stimulus check as a direct deposit.
Interdasting
I never applied for nor received any stimulus checks
Nobody applied for stimulus checks. They were automatically provided based upon your income tax filing.
People rushed to get their tax filings out to prove their eligibility, but there was no application
Ok, but point still stands. I didn't receive one, so I'm sure I'm not the only one
You're probably one of the many ineligible people.
For example, US citizens that are married to non-citizens and filed taxes as Married, filing jointly are ineligible, regardless of their income.
Self-employed
How dare you not work for a corporation /s
Do you file taxes? That is where the list came from.
eh, I'm a little behind