Also work in healthcare. It gets better. Every access of data like this is logged in their systems and the user who accessed it is identified.
It gets even better. Not only is this a HIPAA violation, but you can report it anonymously to their compliance official - and they are required by law to immediately investigate. The subsequent findings are public.
Report this to their institutional compliance hotline.
If nothing else the important thing is to make sure all the people who cheated in this election are severely punished, and their identities made public so that they won't be able to cheat in the next election and also are made an example of to other potential cheaters.
I hate to say it but yeah. That needs to happen. If fraud goes unpunished at this magnitude...All we're gonna be left with is a small subversive group who wants more China virus...
It's scary. If Biden stays, They got a whole pissed off country to deal with, and it's not like bio-warfare or any other measure is a stretch. Difference is draw a line in front of patriots, we'll abide until its crossed.
If they get away with this, next time they will be so good at cheating we wont be able to detect it. Not without drastic changes to election rules anyway.
A low level analyst at HHS could have access to enrollment and claims data as part of their everyday duties. They could just say they are looking at rates of dementia at skilled nursing facilities and boom, they have everything they need. No one would even know anything out of the ordinary had happened.
Actual ARRESTS should be made here. Seems like this could be figured out by a simple look at who printed what at the homes or corporate office. Someone know who did this.
At the end of the day, this is being operated like a terror cell. Each one operating independently with the same end goal. They committed so many acts of illegal voting with the hopes that we can’t find them all and Biden holds out the win.
GASP! The DNC filth did something ILLEGAL? Holy fuck get the fainting couch for me because my innocent mind cannot grasp the level of depravity we are witnessing.
I am sure the piece of shit communist police, DA's, FBI, judges, and DOJ government thugs will be all over this to enforce that law and make sure justice is applied to all sides.
Thank god for this government. Now to sit back and wait for sweet justice to swoop in and save us at the end of the movie.
I think America needs to get the idea of "personal responsibility" engrained within everyone. Take care of your fucking parents people. Why the ever loving fuck would you give them to strangers, where you can't monitor how they are treating your parents. Nursing homes are infamous for elder abuse, there isn't a shred of good reputation from them.
Yeah if they want that then I guess we should respect their wishes, but I wouldn't just hand them over without personally auditing every home in the area
"Hi, we're healthcare professionals - WITH MORE ETHICS THAN FAUCI."
The medical establishment has whored themselves out badly enough this last year that nobody should trust somebody that calls themselves a "doctor" or "scientist" in this country for at least 10 years without having reasonable doubt they're being told the truth.
Not once did I call myself a doctor or scientist. Nor did I say i was apart of the "establishment". I said I am a medical professional. The only thing I admitted to was knowing about the Healthcare laws. I'm sorry the establishment ruined your trust with the medical field, but I promise you me agreeing that the 25k nursing home voters was a HIPAA violation, is NOT me trying to undermine the American people. Nor me suggesting someone should crosslink nursing home cv19 deaths and voters. GTFO
Whoa, whoa, whoa there fren. Text is yet again not conveying tone well here.
No animosity here - peace and joy upon you. Let me clear up misunderstanding:
Plenty of good docs and scientists.
Plenty of entrenched ones as part of the white coat brigade of the Deep State. Am under no illusions about the political machine under the medical establishment, nor that it does not necessarily equate to malicious intent by any health care workers, docs or otherwise.
My bad experiences with the political leanings of the medical establishment are from the inside looking out, and a deep sense of shame that medical ethics have likely been breached by a profession committed fundamentally to the welfare of all people, regardless of ideology.
Back in the day, my attendings were very, VERY clear that compassion and patient trust always took priority over personal feelings or preferences. And those that have perpetrated this have deeply wounded a sacred trust given to healthcare workers by our patients to give them dignity and autonomy.
If you interpreted I was inferring you were part of that, was not my intention. Was trying to back you up and march in walk step with you, and apparently ended up stepping your toes. My apologies.
Don't care if you're a chest cutter or the guy who sweeps the floor, you have my respect.
No worries, we're all a bit short on sleep and fumbling in our verbage after all the midnight shenanigans that have been pulled in the last two weeks.
I got way better things to do than to pick fights with any of you good people. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Big Tech? No, do not feel the same way. After their conversion into a nice combination of Pravda and the Politburo, I'm a lot less forgiving to an industry who's leadership has basically decided that lying has become their patriotic duty.
I have plenty of friends in Tech, live in a big Tech city, so like anybody else, it's a diverse group in the rank and file. But the industry as a whole needs something done to reign in the blatant and overt damage they're doing to the First Amendment and a Free Press. Medicine has it's problems, but Tech poses a more immediate and pressing issue to the stability of our Republic.
I have said this for days...the COVID 'crisis' seeded these vote harvesting schemes across the country, and this is where the true magnitude of their depravity is revealed...it is nice to see people finally picking up on this evil because there isn't enough time in the universe to measure the prison sentences that these people deserve.
Remember that HIPAA violations are $25,000 PER VIOLATION.
(and if you live in Texas, HB300 doubles that fine, with even stiffer restrictions. Likely similar state laws that vary from location to location.)
Can be a hefty financial pain in the ass for somebody, particularly a peon at the bottom. More than enough financial incentive for them to, say, flip on the people that put them up to it.
We are learning from GEOTUS that you need to match CIVIL proceedings along with CRIMINAL proceedings.
I hear what you're saying, but this could provide leverage to investigate what happened and build a case for widespread fraudulent and illegal activity. They need to find the names of people who were harvesting entire nursing homes.
Nice try...You're in my wheelhouse now.. There are so many people in jail for this right now it would make your head spin. I bet anything the folks that broke the law will flip to reduce their substantial penalty and jail sentence.
THIS IS INVESTIGATABLE. The nursing homes know who did this ballot harvesting. There are names to be discovered.
If we only had a law enforcement agency that could supersede the corrupt blue city cops and help GUARANTEE A REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE STATES by eliminating vote fraud.
It's not a HIPPA violation if someone "voluntarily" and "with the patient's permission" was provided. There's no proof that someone printed off a list of all nursing home residents and registered/voted for them.
HOWEVER, this does indicate harvesting. And that's illegal. If the defense claims the information was given voluntarily then our side would need an affidavit from everyone on the list stating they didn't give permission.
I am a traveling caregiver, at a retirement home I was at, usps had a mass drop off off a huge cart all of mail in votes for residents left at the front desk. I watched them drop off at the desk when signing in.
u/hockeymom4trump ever notice the immense amount of senior housing in Maple Grove, Plymouth, Crystal, and other burbs in the West Metro over the past 5-10 years?
The college town activists kind of coerced people to vote their way. I mean I also dropped my envelope at a local fire department trailer so I couldn’t resist making Fahrenheit 451 jokes in my head.
Though the rest of Minnesota could really just be a bunch of pussies in the highest degree possible. I had a dumbfuck leaguer not get a joke post I made where Bjork says “come on Trump” out of context after Lizzo announced she would “run naked in the streets if Biden won”. Then a minute later, same guy told me I had internalized homophobia and whatever lame tumblr-level insults before unfollowing me.
Now I need to know-has Lizzo been running naked down the street, I don’t know say Nicollet Avenue, since Biden “won” the election? Maybe this whole thing was just to see Lizzo naked before finally declaring Trump the real winner.
If you are in a healthcare facility, they can acknowledge to an enquirer that you are a patient in that facility, unless you have signed a document stating that you do not want that information released. You will be presented with that document upon your admission. So, if they have the acknowledgement that you are a patient, they already have what they need to get a piece of mail to you.
This shouldn't be very hard to figure out, there are very few Nursing Home operators that manage 25,000 beds, and it should be very easy to figure out who they are based on names submitted, then you just start interviewing employees that had access to the company wide system
Wasn't there something on here the other day about people with advanced Alzheimer's or similar who had their ballots harvested (couldn't even vote for themselves)?
And regardless, isn't requesting a ballot on behalf of anyone else illegal? Doesn't that break what little chain of custody already exists? Pardon me, but I'd think the punishment for requesting a ballot for someone else should be jail time. Let alone dozens.
I can see the home office of some of these homes, took the list and ran with it. I spent a lot of time in "Golden Living" facilities in both PA and NJ, I can totally believe someone in the company got either a kick back or just willingly requested all of those ballots.
My guess is they had someone on the inside at HHS. Most nursing home residents are on Medicare by virtue of their age, and Medicare likely has detailed enrollment records/admit dates for all members at skilled nursing facilities. This list would not be hard to get for some low level analyst st HHS.
It's not a HIPAA violation if it wasn't done by a health care professional or employee/contractor of a health care provider. I'm sure there are mailing lists available for purchase for general marketing/advertising purposes, that provide a reasonably complete list of residents at a particular address. You don't have to know anything about their health condition so it has nothing to do with HIPAA.
Just type the address of any large apartment or condo building into Google, and in most cases, you'll get the names of a lot of the residents with their apartment numbers. With nursing homes you probably don't even need a room number in most cases, because mail is received in a central mail room and distributed to residents by name (since residents often move from one room to another, while staying in the same facility).
It's also entirely possible that a nursing home could tell all residents at the same time that an election was coming up and if they need help requesting an absentee ballot, just ask your caregiver. It would not be illegal to do that, nor is it illegal for a caregiver to help a nursing home patient vote via absentee ballot.
Don't get me wrong. I know that absentee ballot fraud through nursing homes is a huge problem, and has been for a long time. But in most cases, the only illegal thing happening is a caregiver either telling a patient who they should vote for or marking a vote for a different candidate than a patient indicated they wanted to vote for. This is very hard to prove.
Most nursing home residents are already registered voters. Many already receive forms to request absentee ballots for every election. I used to vote absentee regularly, because I worked in a different state than my home state, and after the first time I voted absentee, the local Republican party in my home state always sent me an absentee ballot request form for every single election. I have never had to provide a birthdate when voting with an absentee ballot. If you're a registered voter, your birthdate is already in your registration information.
If someone moved from their original registered address to a nursing, and had a permanent change of address filed, they likely would have received a forwarded absentee ballot request form and standard accompanying instructions (whether they had moved or not) re how to update their voter reigstration to reflect their new address. It is also absolutely not illegal for a "voter registration drive" to take place in a nursing home, and this would provide an opportunity for all residents who weren't currently registered to vote at their nursing home address, to update their registration, and for those who had no current voter registration to register. It is absolutely not illegal for nursing home staff to help patients with all of this. If a patient requests help with anything safe and legal, staff is supposed to help them.
Personally, I don't think anyone but county and state officials should be allowed to register voters, and I think all voter reigstrations should have to be done in person. But that is not the current law in any state.
Around April when the US Census was being totaled, I got hounded by the US Census workers on a non-stop basis asking for the hospitals’ census data from census day.
I told them to pound dirt but my understanding is that other hospitals in the state have them everything they needed. We have a duty to patients privacy first and foremost, but I could see how department heads could be swayed with what the US Census workers were telling them.
I imagine it would be the same deal here. Unless you are a head fast lawyer that puts HIPAA ahead of anything else, it could be easy to fall into that trap.
I work in healthcare. This is true.
I've been in a hospital before. Can confirm.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Absolutely true.
This is the credential I trust most.
Also work in healthcare. It gets better. Every access of data like this is logged in their systems and the user who accessed it is identified.
It gets even better. Not only is this a HIPAA violation, but you can report it anonymously to their compliance official - and they are required by law to immediately investigate. The subsequent findings are public.
Report this to their institutional compliance hotline.
If nothing else the important thing is to make sure all the people who cheated in this election are severely punished, and their identities made public so that they won't be able to cheat in the next election and also are made an example of to other potential cheaters.
I hate to say it but yeah. That needs to happen. If fraud goes unpunished at this magnitude...All we're gonna be left with is a small subversive group who wants more China virus...
It's scary. If Biden stays, They got a whole pissed off country to deal with, and it's not like bio-warfare or any other measure is a stretch. Difference is draw a line in front of patriots, we'll abide until its crossed.
If they get away with this, next time they will be so good at cheating we wont be able to detect it. Not without drastic changes to election rules anyway.
The people who win from cheating are the people who will be writing the election rules. Do you think they will make cheating easier or harder?
Everyone in a nursing home is sick, unless the 25k included assisted living
A low level analyst at HHS could have access to enrollment and claims data as part of their everyday duties. They could just say they are looking at rates of dementia at skilled nursing facilities and boom, they have everything they need. No one would even know anything out of the ordinary had happened.
A breach of patient confidentiality enough for most health care worker to be fired AND lose their license.
State Board of Examiners tend to frown on ethics violations like this.
If it was found the management of a facility was involved, they can lose their license to operate.
Actual ARRESTS should be made here. Seems like this could be figured out by a simple look at who printed what at the homes or corporate office. Someone know who did this.
At the end of the day, this is being operated like a terror cell. Each one operating independently with the same end goal. They committed so many acts of illegal voting with the hopes that we can’t find them all and Biden holds out the win.
They didn’t count on our weaponized autists.
All assets deployed
GASP! The DNC filth did something ILLEGAL? Holy fuck get the fainting couch for me because my innocent mind cannot grasp the level of depravity we are witnessing.
I am sure the piece of shit communist police, DA's, FBI, judges, and DOJ government thugs will be all over this to enforce that law and make sure justice is applied to all sides.
Thank god for this government. Now to sit back and wait for sweet justice to swoop in and save us at the end of the movie.
The Black Pill. Take it and then puke it out. Just remember, it might be back.
I think America needs to get the idea of "personal responsibility" engrained within everyone. Take care of your fucking parents people. Why the ever loving fuck would you give them to strangers, where you can't monitor how they are treating your parents. Nursing homes are infamous for elder abuse, there isn't a shred of good reputation from them.
Amos by Stanley Gordon West immediately comes to mind.
Though mine decided to move into one voluntarily. 🙄
Yeah if they want that then I guess we should respect their wishes, but I wouldn't just hand them over without personally auditing every home in the area
I'm a healthcare professional. This is 100% true. Someone needs to cross-reference covid deaths with these voters.
It's not just deaths. I guarantee you they were vote harvesting from the living residents.
Yeah, but with 5 Democratic governors forcing cv19 patients into nursing homes, this kinda gives them motive.
Hey Scrub_Anon, we need to be more specific:
"Hi, we're healthcare professionals - WITH MORE ETHICS THAN FAUCI."
The medical establishment has whored themselves out badly enough this last year that nobody should trust somebody that calls themselves a "doctor" or "scientist" in this country for at least 10 years without having reasonable doubt they're being told the truth.
Not once did I call myself a doctor or scientist. Nor did I say i was apart of the "establishment". I said I am a medical professional. The only thing I admitted to was knowing about the Healthcare laws. I'm sorry the establishment ruined your trust with the medical field, but I promise you me agreeing that the 25k nursing home voters was a HIPAA violation, is NOT me trying to undermine the American people. Nor me suggesting someone should crosslink nursing home cv19 deaths and voters. GTFO
Whoa, whoa, whoa there fren. Text is yet again not conveying tone well here.
No animosity here - peace and joy upon you. Let me clear up misunderstanding:
Plenty of good docs and scientists.
Plenty of entrenched ones as part of the white coat brigade of the Deep State. Am under no illusions about the political machine under the medical establishment, nor that it does not necessarily equate to malicious intent by any health care workers, docs or otherwise.
My bad experiences with the political leanings of the medical establishment are from the inside looking out, and a deep sense of shame that medical ethics have likely been breached by a profession committed fundamentally to the welfare of all people, regardless of ideology.
Back in the day, my attendings were very, VERY clear that compassion and patient trust always took priority over personal feelings or preferences. And those that have perpetrated this have deeply wounded a sacred trust given to healthcare workers by our patients to give them dignity and autonomy.
If you interpreted I was inferring you were part of that, was not my intention. Was trying to back you up and march in walk step with you, and apparently ended up stepping your toes. My apologies.
Don't care if you're a chest cutter or the guy who sweeps the floor, you have my respect.
Well yeah, I'd say context was completely lost. Question...do you feel the same way about big tech?
No worries, we're all a bit short on sleep and fumbling in our verbage after all the midnight shenanigans that have been pulled in the last two weeks.
I got way better things to do than to pick fights with any of you good people. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Big Tech? No, do not feel the same way. After their conversion into a nice combination of Pravda and the Politburo, I'm a lot less forgiving to an industry who's leadership has basically decided that lying has become their patriotic duty.
I have plenty of friends in Tech, live in a big Tech city, so like anybody else, it's a diverse group in the rank and file. But the industry as a whole needs something done to reign in the blatant and overt damage they're doing to the First Amendment and a Free Press. Medicine has it's problems, but Tech poses a more immediate and pressing issue to the stability of our Republic.
A sizable portion of nursing home residents have some degree of dementia and would never think to request a ballot.
Let alone sign for one. Worked medical for a long time...These folks would have needed a lot of help for their "requests"
Oh a violation of HIPAA would be DELICIOUS !
100%. Thats why lindsay graham said its impossible for 25,000 over 90 requests ballots at the same time.
Source: https://www.hipaajournal.com/what-information-is-protected-under-hipaa-law/
archive: https://archive.vn/yzyxc
Ok... so what is this in reference to though? What residents? What State?
https://twitter.com/search?q=lindsey%20graham%2025%2C000&src=typed_query
Christ almighty....
Thanks. Fuck.
I have said this for days...the COVID 'crisis' seeded these vote harvesting schemes across the country, and this is where the true magnitude of their depravity is revealed...it is nice to see people finally picking up on this evil because there isn't enough time in the universe to measure the prison sentences that these people deserve.
Remember that HIPAA violations are $25,000 PER VIOLATION.
(and if you live in Texas, HB300 doubles that fine, with even stiffer restrictions. Likely similar state laws that vary from location to location.)
Can be a hefty financial pain in the ass for somebody, particularly a peon at the bottom. More than enough financial incentive for them to, say, flip on the people that put them up to it.
We are learning from GEOTUS that you need to match CIVIL proceedings along with CRIMINAL proceedings.
Some nursing home worker got paid for the list
I hear what you're saying, but this could provide leverage to investigate what happened and build a case for widespread fraudulent and illegal activity. They need to find the names of people who were harvesting entire nursing homes.
Nice try...You're in my wheelhouse now.. There are so many people in jail for this right now it would make your head spin. I bet anything the folks that broke the law will flip to reduce their substantial penalty and jail sentence.
"Ballot harvesting? Like with a combine or something? Come on, man."
Bet FB provided the data
THIS IS INVESTIGATABLE. The nursing homes know who did this ballot harvesting. There are names to be discovered.
If we only had a law enforcement agency that could supersede the corrupt blue city cops and help GUARANTEE A REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE STATES by eliminating vote fraud.
Fire Wray yesterday, Mr. President!
It's not a HIPPA violation if someone "voluntarily" and "with the patient's permission" was provided. There's no proof that someone printed off a list of all nursing home residents and registered/voted for them.
HOWEVER, this does indicate harvesting. And that's illegal. If the defense claims the information was given voluntarily then our side would need an affidavit from everyone on the list stating they didn't give permission.
I am a traveling caregiver, at a retirement home I was at, usps had a mass drop off off a huge cart all of mail in votes for residents left at the front desk. I watched them drop off at the desk when signing in.
Thats a big booya. Nailing them for HIPPA violations would be yuge. Ouch.
u/hockeymom4trump ever notice the immense amount of senior housing in Maple Grove, Plymouth, Crystal, and other burbs in the West Metro over the past 5-10 years?
Absolutely. Definitely think there was fraud in MN. Not just this election, but for years.
Tons of senior housing being built in the South Metro, too.
The college town activists kind of coerced people to vote their way. I mean I also dropped my envelope at a local fire department trailer so I couldn’t resist making Fahrenheit 451 jokes in my head.
Though the rest of Minnesota could really just be a bunch of pussies in the highest degree possible. I had a dumbfuck leaguer not get a joke post I made where Bjork says “come on Trump” out of context after Lizzo announced she would “run naked in the streets if Biden won”. Then a minute later, same guy told me I had internalized homophobia and whatever lame tumblr-level insults before unfollowing me.
Now I need to know-has Lizzo been running naked down the street, I don’t know say Nicollet Avenue, since Biden “won” the election? Maybe this whole thing was just to see Lizzo naked before finally declaring Trump the real winner.
You don’t want to see Lizzo naked. Trust me she’s a symbol of
Diabetesbody positivity for a reason.You're right. I don't! lol
Maybe they used the stimulus check addresses to identify
If you are in a healthcare facility, they can acknowledge to an enquirer that you are a patient in that facility, unless you have signed a document stating that you do not want that information released. You will be presented with that document upon your admission. So, if they have the acknowledgement that you are a patient, they already have what they need to get a piece of mail to you.
but you need a birthdate
Not in Michigan or Nevada apparently. They just fill in 1/1/1900
This shouldn't be very hard to figure out, there are very few Nursing Home operators that manage 25,000 beds, and it should be very easy to figure out who they are based on names submitted, then you just start interviewing employees that had access to the company wide system
Wasn't there something on here the other day about people with advanced Alzheimer's or similar who had their ballots harvested (couldn't even vote for themselves)?
Bet FB provided the data
And regardless, isn't requesting a ballot on behalf of anyone else illegal? Doesn't that break what little chain of custody already exists? Pardon me, but I'd think the punishment for requesting a ballot for someone else should be jail time. Let alone dozens.
I wonder if these requests are made online and they have records of the IP addresses that requested them?
If nothing else, they could see if many multiple are being made from a single address when the residents reside at different homes.
Well the medical industry appears to be mostly infiltrated with Dems soo. It's not surprising at all.
Interesting. Well we need whisleblowers to come out and they most likely scared shitless but now its the time for them
I can see the home office of some of these homes, took the list and ran with it. I spent a lot of time in "Golden Living" facilities in both PA and NJ, I can totally believe someone in the company got either a kick back or just willingly requested all of those ballots.
My guess is they had someone on the inside at HHS. Most nursing home residents are on Medicare by virtue of their age, and Medicare likely has detailed enrollment records/admit dates for all members at skilled nursing facilities. This list would not be hard to get for some low level analyst st HHS.
It's not a HIPAA violation if it wasn't done by a health care professional or employee/contractor of a health care provider. I'm sure there are mailing lists available for purchase for general marketing/advertising purposes, that provide a reasonably complete list of residents at a particular address. You don't have to know anything about their health condition so it has nothing to do with HIPAA.
Just type the address of any large apartment or condo building into Google, and in most cases, you'll get the names of a lot of the residents with their apartment numbers. With nursing homes you probably don't even need a room number in most cases, because mail is received in a central mail room and distributed to residents by name (since residents often move from one room to another, while staying in the same facility).
It's also entirely possible that a nursing home could tell all residents at the same time that an election was coming up and if they need help requesting an absentee ballot, just ask your caregiver. It would not be illegal to do that, nor is it illegal for a caregiver to help a nursing home patient vote via absentee ballot.
Don't get me wrong. I know that absentee ballot fraud through nursing homes is a huge problem, and has been for a long time. But in most cases, the only illegal thing happening is a caregiver either telling a patient who they should vote for or marking a vote for a different candidate than a patient indicated they wanted to vote for. This is very hard to prove.
you need birthdate to register a voter/ fill out a ballot. This information is protected by HIPAA.
Most nursing home residents are already registered voters. Many already receive forms to request absentee ballots for every election. I used to vote absentee regularly, because I worked in a different state than my home state, and after the first time I voted absentee, the local Republican party in my home state always sent me an absentee ballot request form for every single election. I have never had to provide a birthdate when voting with an absentee ballot. If you're a registered voter, your birthdate is already in your registration information.
If someone moved from their original registered address to a nursing, and had a permanent change of address filed, they likely would have received a forwarded absentee ballot request form and standard accompanying instructions (whether they had moved or not) re how to update their voter reigstration to reflect their new address. It is also absolutely not illegal for a "voter registration drive" to take place in a nursing home, and this would provide an opportunity for all residents who weren't currently registered to vote at their nursing home address, to update their registration, and for those who had no current voter registration to register. It is absolutely not illegal for nursing home staff to help patients with all of this. If a patient requests help with anything safe and legal, staff is supposed to help them.
Personally, I don't think anyone but county and state officials should be allowed to register voters, and I think all voter reigstrations should have to be done in person. But that is not the current law in any state.
Wheres the story behind this? Is there a story that says entire nursing homes requested ballots at the same exact time?
https://twitter.com/search?q=lindsey%20graham%2025%2C000&src=typed_query
Health lawyers pede here.
Around April when the US Census was being totaled, I got hounded by the US Census workers on a non-stop basis asking for the hospitals’ census data from census day.
I told them to pound dirt but my understanding is that other hospitals in the state have them everything they needed. We have a duty to patients privacy first and foremost, but I could see how department heads could be swayed with what the US Census workers were telling them.
I imagine it would be the same deal here. Unless you are a head fast lawyer that puts HIPAA ahead of anything else, it could be easy to fall into that trap.