And i know atheism isnt all that welcomed here and im totally cool with that and completely understand why. Personally, i respect and revere christians and christianity and understand how it shaped our beautiful nation. I even go to my wifes church for Christmas and easter with her family and our son, who was also baptised there.
But for a few years now, ive been kind of on the fence as to if athetism is right for me any more. I feel like im growing out of it. Anyhoo, i wasnt making this post as a "please convince to convert" but what i am getting at is this:
If trump overcomes all this corruption, lies and malevolence... and we actually win, im believing in god. Theres no god damned fucking way one man could conquer so much without some kind of devine intervention
And i know atheism isnt all that welcomed here and im totally cool with that and completely understand why. Personally, i respect and revere christians and christianity and understand how it shaped our beautiful nation. I even go to my wifes church for Christmas and easter with her family and our son, who was also baptised there.
But for a few years now, ive been kind of on the fence as to if athetism is right for me any more. I feel like im growing out of it. Anyhoo, i wasnt making this post as a "please convince to convert" but what i am getting at is this:
If trump overcomes all this corruption, lies and malevolence... and we actually win, im believing in god. Theres no god damned fucking way one man could conquer so much without some kind of devine intervention
Atheism is only frowned upon by idiots around here. The majority welcomes anyone and everyone. That's the Trump magic, the ability to bring people together from all walks of life.
A metric shit ton of your autists on 4chan, that helped to get Trump elected in 2016, are atheists and they still stand by him 100%, as do I.
Exactly this. The difference here compared to the real world, is Christians are free to express their faith, which may seem like atheists aren’t welcome, that’s not the case.
The only people who care about identity, including religious identity, are the left.
I know MSM says all Trump supporters are bigots and every other word of hate but we are not. Your free to believe however you want. Athesim or Christianity doesn't matter as long as you believe in freedom your fine with me. I will pray for you though
I’ve never been religious, but win or lose something about the Trump presidency has made me feel that he is in fact chosen by God. There’s clearly a battle between good & evil going on right now, and it’s pretty clear which side is which.
God hates injustice. All will be exposed.
Good on you. Only you can decide what’s right in your heart regarding the Lord. But you are right about that thing for sure, to make it through all this with everything that’s been thrown at Trump, there Hass to be a God! And I believe
Only militant atheists are received coldly.
Did you know early Christians were called atheists by the Greeks because the Greeks held dozens of gods while Christians worship only one God.
I actively tried being an atheist before. Couldn't do it. Wasn't for me.
The thing is, if you bargain with faith, you'll be tested harder.
I believe in God because miracles have already happened in my life. I believe in God because even hard science says the universe is a singular entity made up of the sum of its parts. Faith is something you can't have with the expectation of a reward - you just have it, or you don't.
I'd advise against bargaining with The Almighty, though - then again, that's just coming from a believer. You do you!
What do you mean by "bargain with faith."
Glad you asked.
If you're entertaining the thought of a cosmic benevolence, you're halfway there, right? Well, imagine that this cosmic benevolence is smarter than you. Let me break that down: pluck a hair from your head, or a skin cell or brain cell. It's a part of you. And you're sentient, as far as you know, yes? Ah - know. You have the ability of knowing. Now, do your cells have that ability? Your atoms? We assume they do not, and so they're nothing without you. Too, without them as a whole, you wouldn't exist. So here you are, an intelligence made up of many parts.
Here we go: you are, scientifically, part of a larger whole. You're part of a sum. You, with your sentience, belong to something bigger. If you are intelligent, would not the sum be vastly more intelligent, or at least equally-intelligent? Now we have addressed the idea of God, so let's talk about God.
To say to this being, if you do this, I will believe in you is absolute bonkers, it's folly, and I'm sure you're smart enough to know how - I also don't assume that's what you're doing, either! But use that example to follow me, here. Just my thought.
Faith must be blind, logically it must be blind, because it's not about reward by any means. That would be a form of employment, a bargain. We do not employ God any more than God employs us, which is to say it's an honor system, or good faith deal. (Like what I did there?)
The reason it's often said that the prayers of a man in privacy are loudest is because if he's praying and no one can see him, he already believes. His faith is just part of who he is. It's a form of honesty with The Unknowable. And God, being very intelligent, is like a father, which is why us faithful call him Father - he raises us. Tests us. Gives us things because we showed we revere him no matter what. Unconditional love.
Unconditional - thus, no bargaining. When I've done this in my life, I've had such awful luck that it was unbearable and I felt I was being punished. Then I realized I was doing things I'd punish my own child for. And I turned around, wept, cut those things out of my life, and bam - certain miracles.
You could say this happened because I diagnosed and treated myself, spiritually, or you could say it was God. But the method worked.
Take everything I've said and look at it from, say, a psychiatric perspective and it still holds true. If you say "if this happens, I will believe", and that thing does not happen, you will have accomplished nothing and will continue to be tested.
I hope that wasn't too convoluted. I would never judge anyone else for what I see as a very personal thing.
I'm fairly new here but I think it's safe to say that I don't doubt one bit that you'd be welcomed here, atheist or not. We're all here because we love The Donald and the stuff he's done and is doing for our country. I hope you never feel alienated here.
Nah, i feel totally welcomed here. Always have been, even during reddit days. Never had any doubt there... I think i recall being called a godless faggot once on reddit but was said with smile
I love this place, God knows the amount of fucking hours I spend here
Look up near death experiences.
That's not going to explain very much to an atheist who is even remotely aware of how human biology works, especially during times of trauma, and even more so with a major life threatening injury....
The human brain does and shows you crazy shit when it thinks it's about to die.
You can't go at atheists with stuff that can be easily proven or disproven with science. You have to go after them with the stuff that can't be.
You believe whatever you want. If you think the end of life means becoming worm food or ash, that's perfectly okay.
Believing that there is something more than that, regardless of religion, is a personal choice.
I’m not aware of a person that has had the odds stacked against them more than this president. It’s mind boggling. It should convert millions if he pulls out of this battle of good vs evil.
Well, just remember that when you ask God for something, he isn’t always going to say yes.
But you hit the nail on the head. As i have said after the day of the election, at this point, it is trump against the world. If he wins, it will be an act of God that brought the victory.
The book that was the final nail in the coffin of my atheism is "He Is There and He Is Not Silent" by Francis Schaeffer. I would HIGHLY recommend it. Very short, but I found it to be insurmountable.
Read this. Eerie.
https://welovetrump.com/2020/04/19/donald-trumps-bible/
There is no need for a ''convince to convert'' post, pedes. If God exists, then He would do that Himself.
Hey,
I was an atheist all through college and mostly after.
When I was an atheist, I still prefered living in a "Christian Nation" than a God-less nation. For one, most people DO NEED a reason to behave! And for two, I have learned, that all the God-less people do is worship something else such as Racism as their new God or critical-race-theory as their new God. There are so many similarities between BLM and a cult.
Anyways, my arguments for being an atheist were logical.
My arguments for believing in God again are spiritual and physical arguments. In many ways, the logical arguments against God are CIRCULAR at best.
Please watch the movie "The Case For Christ." Even if you are not a Christian or Religious, the movie is a great movie about forming deep relationships.
Also, please note, all famous atheists had bad relationships with their fathers.
I’ve been a believer my whole life, but not a hardcore Christian. I do believe in Christ and to some Christians this may sound like heresy, but my path to God was “spirituality”. What I mean by that was I believed in something bigger than me, but I did not read the Bible or believed that non-Christians would burn in hell because they were not Christians. I meditated and prayed. One thing that may help is to let go of dogma. Especially if you had bad experiences with “people of faith” in the past. Sometimes our faith gets crushed because “a believer” betrayed or abused us. Sometimes we have a hard time with what is written. The easiest way to open yourself up to Grace entering your life is Humility. Be open minded. Also, the concept of Surrender can be challenging for some, but effective. For example, just let go of how you think God should be. Pray, “Dear God, I’ve doubted you, but I’d like to get to know you. I humble myself before you. I’m not sure what to expect, but I welcome you into my life. Amen.”
Your putting your soul in the hands of men.
You can never have true faith if you base your faith on "if" God does something you want to happen or not.
Everyone has to start somewhere.
How did God let things go so bad for so long?! I credit Trump & America for what they did all by themselves.
You're of course welcome here, regardless of your beliefs.
There's a limit to what we can understand rationally. That fact set me towards something resembling faith a few years ago. The events of the past few months have pushed me towards full fledged Christianity. There's definitely something up, so don't ignore that voice in the back of your head.
Either way, I wish you well. Plenty of great people here to talk to as well.
A little dose of our history. https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/westminster-confession-faith/ What is needed today is depth and meat not superficial and milk, as we see in many evangelly-fish churches today.