They did a flat 5% change in the tabulations and that made him comfortably win with no need to add other methods of fraud. So no one looked into it.
Now that we know what to look for I am curious if we would find the same manipulation of the vote.
Trump talked like he knew fraud was a common thing when running against Hillary. What happened this election is not new. They just had to overcome a landslide that the 5.66% auto vote switch was not able to do the job by itself. The additional vote dumping and vote importing is what exposed them to this public audit.
Almost certainly in 2012.
I don't think he needed as much in 2008 and likely didn't have to bother.
Democrats have been cheating for the last century - I am convinced that every dem president in the past half century had some padding from illegal votes.
Also, wanted to say Romney is a cuck
Romney was, is, and forever will be a cuck
Although he is fake and gay, Obama is very charismatic and likeable to people who don't scratch the surface of what's underneath. I was bamboozled by HOPE AND CHANGE and I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
My super conservative bro didn’t vote for him but wasn’t pissed when Obummer won. I didn’t vote for him but was very optimistic and watched his inauguration with hope, supporting him fully - all based on his rhetoric about unifying the country and all that.... boy, was I deceived.
To be honest, I can still stomach Obama more than McCain and Romney. Not by much mind you.
Same here, I did not oppose Obama even though I did not vote for him, in 2008. By 2012 though....
My ultra conservative father also got sucked in by him in 2008. So I was very up close and personal with what the effect of his speeches combined with the press coverage he got had on people.
Imagine if Obama had received the press Trump got in 2016. Would he have hit those same heights?
My thought is this "selection" process (in place of an election process) has been going on since 911
Perhaps even earlier like back to JFKs time. My red pill to the swamp was seeing Jeb! and Hillary running and thinking "oh...this is not a coincidence: Jeb v. Hillary is supposed to happen". I wonder if Bush 41 left after 1 term to set up his son GWB in 2000. Bush Sr. was director of the CIA and an ambassador to China at the end of Mao's life. 🤔🤔
There was a video of Barbara Bush talking about her husband and Dubya talking about Obamas first term and she just casually mentioned after Obama its Jebs turn, like the office is some familly right of passage.
She walked that back near the end of Obamas 8 years though.
He ran against GOP weenies. People were excited to vote in the first black President. I expect he cheated like normal cheating, but nothing unusual.
He also got a Peace Prize. For doing nothing but running for President. That has always struck me as very very odd.
So if he was "selected", did they really leave it to chance in the election?
All these prizes are always given to lefty shills. This time, the economics nobel winner just shat on the right wing Idian government just after he got it because he was trending that time. The opposition larped about it on twitter that India is intolerant and stuff like that. All these awards have biases in selection.
Yeah, it all went downhill from that moment on.
Nope, he run against puppet candidate (braindead mccain, pierre romney) so he already designated to win. What do you expect from that two clown anyway
It's interesting because several campaign insiders felt they had the numbers in 2012 and then it went off the cliff on election night. It would be really interesting to know the truth.
It is a time honored tradition in the midwest city I was from. They helped fix that JFK win in 1960.
Ah. Ohio? The last time Ohio didn't give its electoral votes to the winner was JFK 1960.
IL- Chicago held the vote until they could "create" enough votes to counter the downstate vote in favor of Nixon.
Wow, I need to read up on that one. I have been hearing splattering about JFK lately that I don't recall hearing prior to this current event.
Always fun to go digging through history
I don’t know about that one! McCain was a miserable traitor POS
Agreed, that of course is the other side of the selection. Worst case they get their second choice
Romney obama, McCain obama, same person. Especially in recent light. However you are correct I went to sleep after voting for Romney thinking we had it in the bag. Woke up and Obama was still President. I think it happened but in a smaller scale. Romney is too pussy to fight.
Im less concerned with the voting machines as I am with the illegals and anchor babies voting.
Which is something Im wondering why no ones talking about? Unless Trump sees the trend in hispanics voting for him and thinks he can get them voting R?
If illegals start voting R en masse im not standing on principle. Im rubbing the democrats nose in that one.
He was going up against Romney and McCain - both absolute faggots - they couldn't have been much worse.
Guaranteed.
The difference is that Romney and McCain were in on the fix.
I don't doubt that at all.
I remember reading reports of 100+% voter turnout in certain counties.
Yes, for 2nd term. 2018's midterm election was crooked also.
People need to comprehend how huge this is, it goes back years. The entire system is rigged.
I agree midterms were cooked too. Execellent place to start. Now is the election data by precinct preserved or is it purged forever.
I believe the timescales vary by state, I did hear 22 months in some states but even then, apparently Democrats states delete everything ignoring that state law.
That retention time has to be fixed. This should be at least 8 years.
maybe in 2012. he had pure numbers in 2008.
If we start back testing I am sure we will find this has been going on a lot longer than that.
In 2008 I don't believe so. He was popular, regardless of what you think of him (and I think he's a piece of shit, horrible president), he had genuine enthusiasm in 08. I remember, even conservatives I knew at the time voted for him.
In 2012 I couldn't say, I didn't pay much attention and I know all the conservatives I know didn't vote for him and my liberal side of the family didn't vote for him (but they voted Trump twice, one in 2016 and this year which still blows my fucking mind)
Oh this has been going on for a long time. The Democrats themselves were alleging rigging of the voting machines all the way back in 2004 after Kerry lost to Bush. I remember, I was on Daily Kos back then when it was all about Bev Harris and Black Box Voting. Funny how now, today, it’s an impossibility when the candidate they want to win benefits from the rigging.
I want to know if this weapon was used against Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in 2008/2012. I was a campaign volunteer and we fought hard, had a great ground game and had a lot of internals showing strong victories in states where we somehow placed third and fourth under absolute losers like Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann.
The 2012 campaign ended at the convention, rules were that you needed to win 5 states to be placed in nomination, we had won 7. Day of the convention, Reince Preibus changes the rules from 5 states to 8 states to prevent us from contesting the convention or negotiating a cabinet seat/platform concessions from Romney.
I want to know if they were using a computer to flip votes from Ron Paul during the Republican primaries.
I think the use in primaries seems very likely now.
I think so too, one thing I haven't seen is when that program Scorecard was created, if it's prior to 2009 then there's a very good chance it was used in the Republican primaries in 2008, maybe even used in the Democrat primaries in 2004 to secure it for Skull & Bones globalist cuck John Kerry.
I have been plugged into the elections since Carter vs Ford. The Obama run was the first I noticed where a candidate was universally pushed as the "one" by the media.
The media's influence may have been enough to have to got him elevated to where his vote numbers "naturally" hit what they did.
While I considered that as possible and likely probably, I would still love to see all of the election data analyzed from 2001 when the voting machines got put in.
I find it to be highly unlikely this is the first time it was ever done.
Perfectly fine with that. 2 terms of Obama gave us GEOTUS.
Even if Obama cheated in 2012, let's be completely honest, McCain and Romney were about as exciting as lightly toasted white bread. My first election was 2012 and I couldn't have been less enthusiastic to vote for Romney.
I agree the choices were bad. But what a huge discovery it would be to expose this same vote shifting patterns in previous elections.
Nah man they didn't need to cheat to win with a Obama he had actual hype on the ground. This doesn't help the narrative that Joe Biden had to cheat to win if we can't even accept that a cool black guy was more popular than an evil lich like Mccain and a dork RINO like Romney.
Maybe. But there were a lot of people who loved Obama and still do. It didn't help he ran against garbage candidates.
People don't love Joe Biden.
correct
Not in 2008. There was legit energy behind him, much like Trump had in 2016
In 2012....it's iffy. Romney was such a fucking cuck and laid-off after the first debate, then dicktucked post-Superstorm Sandy, which took a bunch on the final push energy from Romney and allowed Obama to 'appear Presidential' dealing with a crisis.
Maybe, but MIttens wasnt anywhere near as popular. Possible, but doesnt pass the immediate logic test like this election.
I probably should have left Obama's name out of the original question. I only referenced him since he was the first time I noticed a coordinated effort in the Media. Which was then repeated in 2012, and 2016. And has reached unreal levels with the big tech also joining in.
I am thinking this also explains how European countries keep electing leaders that are openly doing damage to their own countries. They are being "selected" for them while they think they are electing them.
If they are also using these tainted voting machines it is very likely to be the case.