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That’s why Rudy said PA first, then MI. They have their battle plans. As soon as one of this flips it will be dominos. This is a large scale criminal activities across many state lines.
If it is widespread across state lines then Rudy Giuliani is the man for it. That would have this whole ordeal fall under RICO statute and Giuliani has successfully prosecuted under that
More ballots were switched and deleted by the software, and all of THAT evidence is in Republican strongholds counties. Don’t get too distracted by this other sideshow nonsense. That is the trap of this software fraud. It is not happening large scale in Democrat areas compared to the software glitches. It is happening in Republican strongholds where votes are being swapped to Biden or mysteriously being deleted from the tally. In fact, you could argue that some of the Dem city shenanigans were as blatant as they were to try to keep the software algo hidden.
Google engineers figured this out on Wed, I’m sure team Trump tore apart software and had the malicious code by Thursday. Looks like they have just been taking notes on all of the Democrat and Media crimes taking place for the last 6 days.
Well said. PA has the most Electoral Votes (20) at stake. There was also an 800.000 margin, which has never occurred before in the history of US elections with 65% counted on the evening, and then, all of a sudden vanishing. Giuliani is like a Bloodhound. He picks his battles right.
What with the State Troopers running cameras, no doubt with automatic number plate recognition, it would be pretty easy to identify both the vehicle and driver in the vicinity of the counting centre that night.
They're both being worked on. If PA actually violated the SCOTUS order, then they probably moved to the head of the line if they weren't already there.
Suits have been filed in both states. Team Trump is working simultaneously in PA, MI, WI, GA, NV, and AZ. PA and WI are probably the easiest wins. AZ might yet go for Trump without legal action, and either way will certainly result in a recount.
All official absentee ballots, files, applications for such ballots and envelopes on which the executed declarations appear, and all information and lists are hereby designated and declared to be public records and shall be safely kept for a period of two years, except that no proof of identification shall be made public, nor shall information concerning a military elector be made public which is expressly forbidden by the Department of Defense because of military security.
22 months? I think that 22 week period is a bit arbitrary. However if we can safeguard them for 22 days then surely the 22 hour span is going to be fine. What is your point about the 22 minute envelope preservation recommendations? We just followed the 22 second order.
"(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States."
Lets hope there us enough fraudulent ballots thrown out for Trump to win or for Joe Biden to concede because he knows he's fucked before it gets to the scotus. Hoping for the last resort with no chance of appeal and final decision is always a coin flip.
The Alito order specified that the mail in ballots had to be kept separate right? Without the envelopes any ballots they set aside as a token to claim be the mail in ballots can be disputed in all likelihood. What comes from this, I have no idea.
Akita? Lol. Did you mean to write that? I met an Akita puppy once. It stood with it's front paws bearing down on my bare shoulders, with it's head towering above me, plenty big enough to fit my head in it's jaws. I was on higher ground. I made sure not to show any sign of pain, but the weight on those claws HURT.
That was at 6 months. Shortly after it got shot by a neighbor who thought it was a bear, chasing down his horse. Dog kept on running, and was fine.
so if they destroyed the envelopes, that means any vote counted after 8pm EST must be thrown out. Ergo. Win for Trump.
They violated the SCOTUS order yes?
Time to go proverbial nuclear? If that city can't tell the difference between valid ballots and fraudulent ballots and they caused this problem themselves, then Throw out every single ballot from Filthidelphia. If a city can't run a clean election then don't count any of their votes. Watch out fast they clean up their act next year. If the election was counted at the county level, then toss 'em there.
Can't leave it up to them anymore. We need Federal election standards. The states can write their own laws, and choose how to ratify the vote, but there's a basic standard we need to lay down clearly.
Also, states wrote laws, which the Dems then got their judges to override just before the election, effectively legislating from the bench. Legislature defines election laws and judges do not have the power to change those laws at will.
There ought to be a law, NO CHANGES to election rules/laws/procedures/ANYTHING within 6 months or 1 year (or whatever) before the election day, otherwise 10 years in prison for anyone who attempts the change.
That'd put a stop to this blatantly-obvious Cloward-Piven chaos-creation horseshit the Dems pull with last-second changes.
There should be strict election integrity laws set at the federal level that require voter ID, signature verification, and requires voter rolls to be actively maintained. All votes must be counted by the end of election day as established in the constitution. Early voting ballots must be counted before election day, not after.
Pretty sure they're already is, that's how the Electoral College works because all States agree on a certain methodology come election day. Any states being allowed to count after the deadline risk swing the outcome of the entire election towards that one States political preference. It's entirely unconstitutional and every other state in the Union should be able to sue to invalidate those votes.
I believe that it's the US Constitution that gave the right to run elections to the states' legislatures. We can't just 'yoink' it from them without a Constitutional ammendment.
And when they throw a fit and get violent, they should be reminded that it's nobody's fault except for the actions of the corrupt Dem-controlled election board in Philly that violated several election laws, as well as violating the voter equality protections of the people of PA under the law.
It will be in the hands of the lawyers and judges, but this would be the only appropriate response. Otherwise you can commit fraud, openly defying orders to keep evidence, and then get rewarded.
Alito ordering them to keep the evidence was intended to set them up for this. If they tried to hide it, he'll rule against them. If the kept them and there was no evidence produced in audit, he would likely side with them. I can't even imagine how a lawyer would defend destruction of envelopes here. I suppose it is a glitch of envelope burning, nothing to see.
I can't even imagine how a lawyer would defend destruction of envelopes here.
The lawyer could point out that it was okay for Hillary to willfully destroy 33,000 emails under federal subpoena (no charges were filed), therefore this should be okay too.
I'm at the point where I think the country should split. They can have their side with unlimited abortions, open borders, and 100 genders. Our side can live in basic peace by not shoving your ideologies down others' throats.
Yes. It's the age old makers vs. takers argument. Dems are like gangsters who rule over the makers and takers - giving crumbs to their boys and taking a piece of the action everywhere else.
They can't, by their own philosophies, produce anything that matters. Ability and tangible value are anathema to them. "The most qualified person" is racist (or something), so they think "the most deserving person" (set by some standard other than competence)... which ultimately leads to a society of incompetence. And how they can't see such an obvious outcome is beyond me.
The people running this anti-Western-Civilization pogrom/op on the USA (and Europe) know it creates dysfunction. That's the point. It's not supposed to "work."
2020 was the year that the Left decided they wouldn't leave us alone.
"WEAR THE MASK!"
"SHUT DOWN YOUR BUSINESS!"
"STAY IN YOUR HOUSE!"
That was the tipping point. When they decided they had to tell the whole country to hop on one foot and dance for them.
Yeah, but actually, just take them with petty rule lawyering, we aren't the monster they think we are, we are the worst, we play so hard by the rules, they can bend over backwards and still loose!
After all white nationalism is the number one threat to America even though i know more more furries and transgenders and I live in The Bible belt
To be honest sometimes I get discouraged like I'm ugly or something I lived my whole life in the rural South and I've never once been recruited by a white nationalist i don't even know one
If they're the number 1 threat to America you would think that just 1 time 1 would come up to me and be like Hey you want to join our club?
This right here.im From what you would think would be prime area, and the only thing I ever saw was a business card, this goofy boy stole from his uncle's dresser.
They have the tightest opsec in the world is all I know, then. Then again I have never seen any violence attributed to them, in 20 years. Every once in a while, you'd see six dudes on the news doing a March in someones birthplace. That's it.
You know it’s funny you mention that I have proposed this. We spend approximately $50 billion a year in federal and state prisons, let’s just send everybody guilty of capital crimes and felonies to Australia and pay them $8 billion a year. Oh and they all lose citizenship as well
There is nothing unusual about destroying the ballot envelopes. The only verifying information that the enclosed ballot is OUTSIDE on the envelope. "Verify" the envelope, take out the ballot and all traceability is now lost. The ballot can be machine counted or hand counted. It does not matter. It's in the system now. Ballots without voter identification cannot be refuted.
So therefore, the process mandates that ballot envelopes be destroyed. After all, they are no longer "needed". This is a tried and true Democrat cheating method.
Only people involved in "matters". Destroying things like mail-in ballot envelopes and cellphones are just "matters". Check in with Comey for more details.
The swing vote there(Roberts) is now on the lefty 4 justices.
But I agree, the legislatures are the ones that choose the electors, and therefore they are the ones that need to be convinced. Though a favorable court decision can go a long way there.
Alito, who made the order that got ignored. I've seen judges rule out of spite before, it's pretty fucking hilarious.
Thomas, who had his life and legacy personally ruined by that bald daughterfucker. Yeah, I wonder what way he'd rule.
Kava the beer-drinkin dude who got Clarence Thomas'd by the same group of people, including Kamala Harris, and worked on Bush v Gore (on Bush's team)
and Amy Coney Barrett, who also worked on Bush v Gore. Oh, and Biden is a "practicing Catholic" who supports abortion (which is to say, isn't really a catholic). fucking lmao
Thats 4 damn-near guaranteed votes there. pretty sure Gorsuch worked on Bush V Gore too, making it the locked-in five, but... yeah, so it goes
yeah, there's almost no way this doesn't win at the SC
Because they’d rather take the chances that votes are kept and they’re given some meaningless slap on the wrist. If they had kept the envelopes illegal votes would have been easy to prove. Now it’s up to the court to invalidate all the mail in ballots that don’t have an envelope to verify signatures, which they could do.
But the Dems know the odds of the Supreme Court siding with allowing the votes to stand is still greater than the risk of keeping envelopes of fraudulent votes. It’s literally a, “yeah, I didn’t follow the law but where’s your proof of fraud?” move. Desperation play but probably logically the only choice they had.
If the court rules against them they can gaslight the left through the media even more about DiSeNfRaNcHiSeD vOtErS. Which will either lead to 4 more years of bullshit investigations on how “Trump stole the election” or mass upheaval in the streets that will make the earlier riots look like friendly bonfires.
Yeah I agree with this. Also it needs to be said that any court, even SCOTUS, is going to be apprehensive against throwing out votes if they can't be proven to be fraudulent. Probably a really good play on democrats part to do this.
Which would just legalize fraud, which makes all future elections pointless until significant changes are made to the system, and disenfranchises every single legal voter
Then the argument will be made we cannot verify the votes now in a highly contested election if they are valid or not. They destroyed the evidence, these votes must be thrown out because they simply cannot be verified at all now period.
On top of this, the violated court order does NOT look good for the Democrats.
If this goes to SCOTUS, Biden and Harris burn. Biden called Thomas a fucking rapist. Harris called Kavanaugh a fucking rapist. It will be the most excoriating and far-reaching legal "ass-raping" of all time.
If I remember right, they tried the whole "disenfranchised voter" thing back during a case regarding Sunday voting in...North Carolina I think. Court asked them to produce specific people who weren't able to vote because of the removal of one Sunday in early voting.
When "muh disenfranchised voters" clearly just means "omg no fair you're not letting us cheat," we need to just collectively say "that's nice, we don't give a fuck."
It's happened before for other federal positions in state elections, but the constitution is very exacting about what is allowed in a presidential election, and my reading is that any sort of revote would be unconstitutional. The options are really include the ballots, throw out the ballots, or have the legislature and electors decide the vote.
So threaten the courts and the American people with violence - the Democratic party in a nutshell, and exactly why we're throwing their asses out of civilization one way or another.
I’m just happy I didn’t get a bunch of downvotes to be honest. It’s admittedly a fine line between “concern trolling” and realistically acknowledging that the dems are gladly putting the ball in the SC’s hands despite how much they’ll screech about it leading up to any SC ruling.
Even if they rule in our favor because the written law is on our side(and it looks to be) the Dem/Media are attempting to build a win/win long term scenario for themselves whichever way the SC rules. They didn’t put together “the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history” haphazardly. They know exactly what they’re doing and shouldn’t be taken lightly.
Yup, they're hoping they can coast on an incompetence/stupidity defense, whereas leaving it as it was would have made the malice and intentionality hard to deny.
It’s literally like those gameshows where they put you in the giant clear tube with a fan under you and money blowing everywhere and you have to grab as much as you can in 60 seconds.
Also, Democrats have undermined the electoral system so consistently that it's very hard to "prove" anything, because the system is so laughably unsecure and crippled that there's no tracking, no accountability, no constraints on anything.
I think that was intentional. More varied methods of fraud means they have to challenge each instance of fraud separately, requiring more man-hours and more court time. The goal of the Democrats may have been to overwhelm the courts with fraud cases, ensuring most don't get settled in time for December 14th.
Which is why every single civilized country in Europe both maintains an up-to date nationwide voter registry, and requires you to prove you are who you say you are when voting; makes it much harder to cast multiple votes at different polling places or cast votes in the names of deceased or nonvoters. US election systems are a fucking joke - by design.
I'd argue that Trump is ahead of this. He's trying to drain the swamp, but he needs big, public proof so that every average Joe on the street realizes the swamp is real. Election fraud is one of those annoying issues that has always existed, and conservatives have always ranted about, and have always discussed good ideas on how to fix, but you never heard about it if you weren't listening to Rush Limbaugh or following conservative sites, did you?
To even begin to address these issues you have to drag them out into the light. If people don't believe they exist, you can't exactly campaign to have them eliminated, can you?
Trump basically forces the media to play on his ground, one way or another. He lives rent free in their heads. They can spew out as much propaganda as they want, but now sleeping people are going to start waking up and wondering what all the fuss is about.
I'm prepared for the best possible scenario, pos lefties losing, freaking out and coming to my suburbs. It's gotta end one way or another, and this is as good a time as any.
You can't destroy what didn't exist. There were likely no envelopes at all for the fake ballots. They probably destroyed some valid envelopes to cover the thousands that never existed.
And that's what a good lawyer would use to counter argue. NOW WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THESE BALLOTS ARE LEGITIMATE SINCE THE INJUNCTION PASSED BY THE SUPREME COURT WAS NOT FOLLOWED AND THE BALLOTS WERENT SEGREGATED AS ORDERED.
Place the burden of proving those are legitimate ballots on the defense.
I always imagine the Trump campaign reading through these and saying "Hey guys, I have a new idea!" You'd think that some of them are on here. I mean, GEOTUS did an AMA on reddit once.
Good point. Maybe they're just saying they destroyed them because that's marginally better than saying there was no envelope because they weren't mailed because they are fake. (black guy tapping side of head meme)
On the Bannon podcast, Rudy said they have sworn witnesses who will testify the 4 AM "ballot dump" in Philadelphia involved plain cardboard boxes with thousands of ballots marked only for Biden. Presumably the people who printed those forged ballots wouldn't bother making envelopes for them.
Not only that, if Roberts doesn't go with the majority, then Thomas gets to write the majority opinion. On the case against the guy who called him a fucking ape rapist.
Yeah, will have to see what happens in SCOTUS. You can never apply how the law is written and expect ruling to go in your favor. Unpopular opinion, but, we have 4 partisan SCOTUS judges and ACB (yet to be determined) and I hope she is partisan as hell.
She shouldn't have to be partisan to side against Philadelphia. Any SCOTUS justice should 100% have a problem with how badly PA screwed with proper electoral procedures. It should be a 9-0 decision for at LEAST a full audit, if not a dismissal of every single vote tabulated after Alito's court order was issued. Why are dem partisans so awful at upholding basic standards of integrity??
That's a feature of the Dem picks, not a bug. They intentionally picked lapdogs for the Dem party that don't care what the law says and vote based on political winds in the Party.
If by partisan, you mean Constitutionalists, I agree. They read the law, and the law is what the law is. If you're supposed to save the envelopes for potential audit, then that's what you're supposed to do. I honestly think the Dems want Scotus to do their jobs, so they can go back to playing victim of the corrupt fascist system. It's their schtick and and they're schticking with it.
I believe Kavanaugh will do what is right and just, rather than just ruling out of spite. But it's nice to know that Kavanaugh definitely isn't in the pockets of the Biden crime family.
Well, there is some ray of hope, we already got a 4-4 split decision that sent case back to lower court ruling. Same case. There was an agreement to review after elections with a full court. So that's a strong indicator we have 4 of 5 votes needed. By no means a definite, but strong enough.
I'm sure he hates her for that and would spit in her face (or worse) if given the chance. He's part of the club though, and political theatre comes with the territory. Maybe he casts judgment based on his convictions, maybe he has deeper obligations to people we don't know about. I'm just saying be very skeptical when it comes to him.
Regrettably, this is the most likely result. Courts generally attempt to maintain the status quo (source: am lawyer). It’s possible SCOTUS may see this as a watershed moment, like Brown or Roe, and eviscerate these people, but you need to be prepared that the Court will simply handwave it away.
Simply handwave away the future of the western world? Hell no. Everyone knows they cheated. The Supreme Court is just going to hand over our destiny to cheating communists? And not to mention destroy their own court in the process? Not taking a stand on this case is suicide. They will rule accordingly
Simply handwave away the future of the western world? Hell no.
If they're anything like my former pastor, yes.
"Learn to lose with dignity even when you're right" which was just "turn the other cheek" dressed up in fancier words and other BS like that is why I left that church.
No, the courts are going to see if the election officials followed the law.
If the PA law says the burden of proof is on the challenger, fine. But if the law says that the ballots must meet certain criteria to be valid (say, having an envelope), then the courts will say those ballots are illegal.
Since I can still view the original tweet and not the retweet, I am left to believe that their algorithm is not just targetting information with natural language processing algorithms but specific individuals.
I joined twitter years ago for some dumb fuck reason but never tweeted anything. When the election was a few months out I revived the account and started following people. The other day when https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1325287431394914305?s=20 was posted I started playing around in twitter with language surrounding vote hammer scorecard and dominion. No censorship. But I never post nor do I have followers. I'm insignificant. We need to figure out by trial and error the censorship patterns, and inundate people with censored information
This seems to be the left's last effort. They figure to contaminate the entire vote will force the ONLY remedy to be for SCOTUS to disqualify like 600k votes and they are hoping SCOTUS will be too reluctant to put their hands into a state that deeply. It's their only play and it could work. SCOTUS makes me nervous AF.
I would be nervous as well, though a justice hit them with 2 orders, disobeying what appears to be both. If they don't rule harshly and to the law, they will set the precedent. I don't think Alito and others will mess around here.
Exactly. This isn't a local enforcement agency or a county courthouse, this is just slightly bigger and they know that if they rule in a way that favors the fraud and disobedience, it opens the door for people to use their ruling in the future.
Ideally, for our country to "heal" (and let me be clear, we were doing GREAT before all this shit... the dem rioters and BLM put us back 2o yeas in race relations)... but yeah, for our country to "heal" I believe a 9-0 SCOTUS would do the trick for even the most ardent normie. Only the true commies would be in revolt then, which is what we want. Even an 8-1 (Can't count on Sotomayer at all).
I'm not worried about the vote, so long as they side with America. 4 more years of President Trump and we are literally disinfecting the swamp for good.
I have no faith in the people that have called us Nazis, racists, bigots, and everything else in the book over the last four years even with all the evidence laid out in front of them. It's unfortunate because the true division has come from the left. At this point I have no desire for mercy and the system of the Democrats needs to be absolutely destroyed.
So to win a state in 2024, just insert two million ballots, make sure there's no direct proof to invalidate the votes even though every mathematician in the country is screaming fraud = SCOTUS will sit by and do nothing!?
Good point. That makes me feel better. Plus with the old woman out of the way, now we have 2 accused rapists this time instead of just one.. and a newly minted religious zealot that hates women. All facing their accusers. I mean, I know judges are supposed to be impartial and all but...I like our chances :)
Well they aren't "upholding" it. But it looks like they are telegraphing that severability does not apply. If that's a constitutional ruling, I'm good with it, even if it results in Obamacare staying in place. We just need to find another way to get rid of it. There are a few.
They really are just digging a deeper and deeper hole. No way they get out of this unless the deep state gets to the Supreme Court, and even then the Republican legislature can choose their own slate of electors.
lol all the votes after polls close are going to be ruled out and thrown in the garbage. They did not expect donald trump to have a massive turnout and had to do a last ditch sloppy job to rig the already rigged election. These people are really dumb.
Yeah the massive turnout made them desperate. Their only choice is to go all out, then dig in, and use MSM, the Swamp, and big tech for a final protective fire.
Sadly I don't think they will. The truth is obvious to everyone with a brain, but incontrovertible evidence, which would be necessary to "disenfranchise" people, will be hard to come by.
My fear is they won't be able to discern between legal ballots and illegal ballots. My biggest fear is the Dems get away with another "okay-now-we-know-and-it-won't-happen-again" excuse and PA falls.
We all know that the Dems have no morals and will do whatever they feel will get them into the White House.
I mean a lot of this is just going through the motions now. The coup went hot on Election Night. Anyone on TV pretending otherwise is just a liar. Trump won in a landslide and right at the moment they were going to be forced to call it, the entire Election was frozen, across all the battleground states. That is it. Everything else is just talking heads playing pretend. It’s like the second plane hitting the second tower on 9/11 and every single news network says, “Whoa, crazy coincidence there!” And then the entire news media just moves on to some other story on 9/12 as if nothing happened while everyone calling for some kind of investigation is censored and fired.
And what stops the CCP-DNC from just taking Amy Coney-Barrett’s kids hostage until she votes for the fraud?
I mean they probably don’t even have to do that. Just tell her unless she votes for the fraud, they will kill them all one by one in staged accidents over the next ten years. She is a chick, she will fold.
Then what?
I don’t even think this is at the point where there is a legal solution. Whether or not the American Republic falls comes down to Amy Coney Barrett? One woman?
Ticketmaster has already announced that concerts won’t be open to the public to anyone not vaccinated. Every other business will follow. Next will come the microchip inserted in our bodies to track us. Without it we won’t be able to buy or sell. Just having your vaccination card won’t be enough because people will sell and share them. They will force the microchip on everyone. One vote from Amy Coney Barrett is not going to be enough to stop this.
I mean, it's pretty obvious what has happened with the election.. what bothers me the most is that no one with any sort of power to stop this nonsense is not stopping and speaking up.. we need a complete overhaul of this country... It will take a big reset.
I think a lot of you are overlooking something here.
Yes, this screws with the whole recounting process. But also, this takes the blame away from Biden. Now when he loses Pennsylvania, it won't be because the Democrats cheated but rather because "some idiot" working the polls threw away the votes.
I hate when people post direct links to Twitter... embeds only work sometimes for me, and I often have to do weird things refreshing the link even after I click on it.
Same, I'm banned from Twitter so I have to back and forth to see the tweet. I wish the admins would ask people to post screenshots of Twitter because half the time they get deleted and why give those assholes free hits?
Pennsylvania really screwed around with the Peoples' choice. Disobeyed the Supreme Court already. Next time the SCOTUS gets involved, the only logical, and fair, Remedy is to invalidate the Election.
If Pennsylvania doesn't want to stick to the principles it agreed to by ratifying the US Constitution, namely to have a "republican form of government", frankly I don't see why it should be allowed to be a state. Revert it to a Federal Territory until the government there can demonstrate basic competence in democratic principles.
Looks like they had the sophisticated technology covered already, but due to the unexpected magnitude of the landslide they had to improvise "a bit" on top of that
Not sure which rule of evidence this would be except that the destruction of evidence brings with it the automatic assumption that the evidence would not have been favorable to the side who had custody or destroyed it.
If you can blatantly violate a Supreme Court Order without any ramifications, why am I paying my taxes? My utilities? and my mortgage? Laws apparently don’t matter.
Based on a preponderance of the evidence, blatantly destroying evidence of election fraud against a court order demonstrates that the election's result was untrustworthy. If an audit is no longer possible, there are only three remedies limited to PA:
a. Invalidate any remotely questionable ballots with prejudice, based on the preponderance of the evidence. In PA, that would mean everything that came in after they stopped counting.
b. Invalidate the election in PA, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Have another election.
c. Invalidate the election in PA, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Render a verdict in favor of the victim of cheating.
I think the point is not to make Biden win as much as it is to tarnish the inevitable Trump presidency from the start.
Even if Trump is able to stay in power (which is likely), 2020 will NEVER be remembered as the out-of-this-world Trump landslide that it should have been (and was). It will forever be remembered as something dirty, tarnished and the Nation as a whole will never be able to come together as agreeing which side really won.
Which makes Biden's points about "healing the Nation and re-uniting" especially spicy. This extra spiciness, of course, was intentional indeed. They have their own private jokes.
a) Avoids further investigation and proof of fraud.
This means the judge might be forced to either throw ALL the votes out or a re-vote.
Both of which gives the Dems a better chance than the fraud being conclusively proven in court.
b) Avoids proof of fraud that can be used in other states.
At worst, the Dems can argue that this only happened in Pennsylvania.
Saves them other states and hides the methods of their fraud.
c) Saves the asses of the individual Dems who committed voter fraud.
All those possible people implicated in voter fraud could turn and become witness, it is best to reduce the number of people that can be investigated.
d) Dems can also argue that the perpetrator of the ballot destruction is not necessarily a Democrat. It could be a Republican, and if it is, why should the people's votes not be counted just coz a Republican torched the ballots??
Alito's order was only for PA because they were literally removed signature and date verification from the ballot and going around the state legislators to PA SC to RAM it through in violation of the federal constitution. There's 1 explanation.
I think both are useful. I wish people would post the screenshot, and then put the link as their first comment. That way we don't give traffic to twitter, but the few pedes who actually have accounts can find the tweets and spread them.
I mean, it allows people to access the tweet, as well as cites the resource. However, you can look at the engagement statistics of particular tweets, and every time someone looks at a post with an embedded tweet, it adds the that tweets engagement numbers. PLUS, anything true and juicy is going to get deleted anyways, so the post becomes somewhat useless.
I agree that the screenshot should be posted, with a link to the actual tweet put somewhere. That way it proves the validity of the tweet, prevents the tweet from getting engagements, and preserves it from being deleted.
so if they destroyed the envelopes, that means any vote counted after 8pm EST must be thrown out. Ergo. Win for Trump.
They violated the SCOTUS order yes?
Why yes they did
Gracious. I suppose that's that then.
The Alito order does not mention envelopes. I have no idea if that was the intent or not.
Ordered to stop counting late ballots, and if counted separately stored. Doesn't say don't destroy envelopes but we all know why they would do that.
you need to go read his order.
he specifically orders them to segregate ALL mail in ballots received after 8pm EST.
PA did not.
It was a very simple and powerful order. No wiggle room. Alito is no idiot.
That’s why Rudy said PA first, then MI. They have their battle plans. As soon as one of this flips it will be dominos. This is a large scale criminal activities across many state lines.
AKA "Democrats."
If it is widespread across state lines then Rudy Giuliani is the man for it. That would have this whole ordeal fall under RICO statute and Giuliani has successfully prosecuted under that
More ballots were switched and deleted by the software, and all of THAT evidence is in Republican strongholds counties. Don’t get too distracted by this other sideshow nonsense. That is the trap of this software fraud. It is not happening large scale in Democrat areas compared to the software glitches. It is happening in Republican strongholds where votes are being swapped to Biden or mysteriously being deleted from the tally. In fact, you could argue that some of the Dem city shenanigans were as blatant as they were to try to keep the software algo hidden.
Google engineers figured this out on Wed, I’m sure team Trump tore apart software and had the malicious code by Thursday. Looks like they have just been taking notes on all of the Democrat and Media crimes taking place for the last 6 days.
Those people have no business using that word.
Devilrats
Demonrats*
Well said. PA has the most Electoral Votes (20) at stake. There was also an 800.000 margin, which has never occurred before in the history of US elections with 65% counted on the evening, and then, all of a sudden vanishing. Giuliani is like a Bloodhound. He picks his battles right.
They said that the Ferrari that delivered votes in PA (along with the van and Chrysler 300) had out of state plates.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they were rentals
Car companies provided Biden with fake rally Jeeps, I bet they would provide transportation for fraud too
If fraudulent votes were delivered by Ferrari why was the counting stopped for hours?
Cant be too many Ferrari's in PA ?
What with the State Troopers running cameras, no doubt with automatic number plate recognition, it would be pretty easy to identify both the vehicle and driver in the vicinity of the counting centre that night.
Also sets precedence with an easy proof state.
Why can't MI be tackled at the same time with PA?
They're both being worked on. If PA actually violated the SCOTUS order, then they probably moved to the head of the line if they weren't already there.
Because PA is more of a slam dunk. The court is more likely to side with Trump there, and once they do the MI judge is more likely to follow.
Each State is in a different situation. The case has to be ripe before the legal challenges commence.
Suits have been filed in both states. Team Trump is working simultaneously in PA, MI, WI, GA, NV, and AZ. PA and WI are probably the easiest wins. AZ might yet go for Trump without legal action, and either way will certainly result in a recount.
Sure they did. They segregated then right into the shredder. Order followed, see you in 4 years
https://codes.findlaw.com/pa/title-25-ps-elections-electoral-districts/pa-st-sect-25-3146-9.html
Yes but was this the first order or the second order?
Do you have any idea how many ballots that would be? Enough alone without all the other fraud right?
Check the published count on election night all others are suspect
Alito knows how dirty Philly is.
I'm sure state law has something pretty neato to say about that.
The law says that they just keep all documents including envelopes for a period of at least 22 months after the election.
22 months? I think that 22 week period is a bit arbitrary. However if we can safeguard them for 22 days then surely the 22 hour span is going to be fine. What is your point about the 22 minute envelope preservation recommendations? We just followed the 22 second order.
...and they’re gone.
I love the genius that went into this post.
18 US Code section 2071
"(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States."
That's three years...
PER DOCUMENT
"But muh state-run elections!!!"
Those envelopes are federal documents.
If they're destroyed then someone's gonna spend time in federal prison.
You are right, it does. All envelopes are required to be stored for two years.
HOWEVER.... I’m still waiting for find ANY source besides just one random dude on Twitter that says this has happened!
I wouldn't want to be on the other end of the Supreme Court trying to argue that to Alito...
Agreed. Let’s hope it gets to the SC
Lets hope there us enough fraudulent ballots thrown out for Trump to win or for Joe Biden to concede because he knows he's fucked before it gets to the scotus. Hoping for the last resort with no chance of appeal and final decision is always a coin flip.
The Alito order specified that the mail in ballots had to be kept separate right? Without the envelopes any ballots they set aside as a token to claim be the mail in ballots can be disputed in all likelihood. What comes from this, I have no idea.
Akita didn’t say go against state law. Envelopes are to be kept 22 months
Akita? Lol. Did you mean to write that? I met an Akita puppy once. It stood with it's front paws bearing down on my bare shoulders, with it's head towering above me, plenty big enough to fit my head in it's jaws. I was on higher ground. I made sure not to show any sign of pain, but the weight on those claws HURT.
That was at 6 months. Shortly after it got shot by a neighbor who thought it was a bear, chasing down his horse. Dog kept on running, and was fine.
Time to go proverbial nuclear? If that city can't tell the difference between valid ballots and fraudulent ballots and they caused this problem themselves, then Throw out every single ballot from Filthidelphia. If a city can't run a clean election then don't count any of their votes. Watch out fast they clean up their act next year. If the election was counted at the county level, then toss 'em there.
Can't leave it up to them anymore. We need Federal election standards. The states can write their own laws, and choose how to ratify the vote, but there's a basic standard we need to lay down clearly.
"Violators will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."
Also, states wrote laws, which the Dems then got their judges to override just before the election, effectively legislating from the bench. Legislature defines election laws and judges do not have the power to change those laws at will.
There ought to be a law, NO CHANGES to election rules/laws/procedures/ANYTHING within 6 months or 1 year (or whatever) before the election day, otherwise 10 years in prison for anyone who attempts the change.
That'd put a stop to this blatantly-obvious Cloward-Piven chaos-creation horseshit the Dems pull with last-second changes.
There should be strict election integrity laws set at the federal level that require voter ID, signature verification, and requires voter rolls to be actively maintained. All votes must be counted by the end of election day as established in the constitution. Early voting ballots must be counted before election day, not after.
Judges doing this will be shot. Then shot again, just on general principles.
It seems to be a Prima Fascia case of equal protection violations.
Pretty sure they're already is, that's how the Electoral College works because all States agree on a certain methodology come election day. Any states being allowed to count after the deadline risk swing the outcome of the entire election towards that one States political preference. It's entirely unconstitutional and every other state in the Union should be able to sue to invalidate those votes.
I believe that it's the US Constitution that gave the right to run elections to the states' legislatures. We can't just 'yoink' it from them without a Constitutional ammendment.
14th Amendment.
The other states are filing suit on those grounds.
Equal protection clause and all that.
Ok, but what about zoinks? Those pesky kids ...
This is probably the correct answer. If the dims want to act like spoiled children, let them go sit in the corner until they decide to behave
And when they throw a fit and get violent, they should be reminded that it's nobody's fault except for the actions of the corrupt Dem-controlled election board in Philly that violated several election laws, as well as violating the voter equality protections of the people of PA under the law.
Reminding them of this may not be sufficient for handling violence.
It will be in the hands of the lawyers and judges, but this would be the only appropriate response. Otherwise you can commit fraud, openly defying orders to keep evidence, and then get rewarded.
Alito ordering them to keep the evidence was intended to set them up for this. If they tried to hide it, he'll rule against them. If the kept them and there was no evidence produced in audit, he would likely side with them. I can't even imagine how a lawyer would defend destruction of envelopes here. I suppose it is a glitch of envelope burning, nothing to see.
The lawyer could point out that it was okay for Hillary to willfully destroy 33,000 emails under federal subpoena (no charges were filed), therefore this should be okay too.
“But Hillary did it first, c’mon man!!”
Let the bodies hit the floor.
Then fill the graves
I was slightly concerned but after watching this video have more trust that Trump knows what he is doing
https://youtu.be/icb2VLMASIk
Ugh, how can you watch that dweeb? Nothing he said needed to take more than 20 seconds, yet it's over 20 minutes.
Infact.... this could technically be a 3rd time disregarding a SCOTUS order.
Man RBG dying really wrenched their plan
What a bitch!
you are correct
Are you supposed to destroy those envelopes at all?
no
But did they intend to violate the SCOTUS order?
What's that, the perps are Dems? Well then, "no reasonable prosecutor" would bring charges, clearly!
With the path to hell they most certainly did. One rope for them all ...
Lol wut?
Ok then I don’t agree that I “violated” this girl last night and since both parties don’t agree, it never happened!
Dawg that’s the dumbest comment I’ve read on here in a long time.
Didn’t even need to edit, finished reading your comment as I was typing this and realized it’s clearly sarcasm 😂 YOU SURE FOOLED ME!
The White Ranger!?
Where have you been? Left me to fight evil all by myself and kicked me out of your group after kneeling to the woke 90s mob! I demand an explanation!
Bruh, I just left to get tacos.
Got lost. I'm sorry.
Court orders are violence.
"Order" is hate crime against those that identify as chaos-kin. smh
Thank you Bill Clinton
violated as in "biden violated multiple children live on CSPAN but that didn't deter the libs from voting for him"
and order as in "the libs ordered their peons to carry out their plans of voter fraud, and they obeyed."
It depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.
Violated like when Michael puts his behemoth in my raw, dry poopchute while I'm asleep without asking. But that's OK, I like surprises!
Damnit Barry, for the love of all that's sacred!
This is very funny but after careful consideration I am too grossed out to upvote
my god I love this place and the shit that gets posted
Big Dick Mike
Michelle Obama dick clips
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Joan Rivers talking how Michelle Big Dick Mike is a Tranny and Obama is Gay
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His Real Name is Michael Lavaughn Robinson
They killed that YouTube account, plz tell me you have archives
Was wondering until I looked at your username...
yes is a word that has long been invoked by far right white supremacists. and enablers of Transphobia.
Yes
Mr. Clinton, is that you?
yes
I really wish we could just nuke the democrat party and get it over with
I just want a real score I genuinely think they would be embarrassed
And immediately lose 50% of their NPCz because they realize that the whole thing was just a scam
embarrassedimprisoned.Both please
Democrats have no shame. Even some friends of mine. The party is like an addictive drug, it brings out the absolute worst in people
I genuinely believe Biden only got like 30-40M real votes. Maybe even less. They got blown the fuck out and they know it
I'm at the point where I think the country should split. They can have their side with unlimited abortions, open borders, and 100 genders. Our side can live in basic peace by not shoving your ideologies down others' throats.
Yes. It's the age old makers vs. takers argument. Dems are like gangsters who rule over the makers and takers - giving crumbs to their boys and taking a piece of the action everywhere else.
The problem is they are mafia family that has entire government organizations that should be stopping them - working for them.
They can't, by their own philosophies, produce anything that matters. Ability and tangible value are anathema to them. "The most qualified person" is racist (or something), so they think "the most deserving person" (set by some standard other than competence)... which ultimately leads to a society of incompetence. And how they can't see such an obvious outcome is beyond me.
The people running this anti-Western-Civilization pogrom/op on the USA (and Europe) know it creates dysfunction. That's the point. It's not supposed to "work."
2020 was the year that the Left decided they wouldn't leave us alone.
"WEAR THE MASK!"
"SHUT DOWN YOUR BUSINESS!"
"STAY IN YOUR HOUSE!"
That was the tipping point. When they decided they had to tell the whole country to hop on one foot and dance for them.
Yeah, but actually, just take them with petty rule lawyering, we aren't the monster they think we are, we are the worst, we play so hard by the rules, they can bend over backwards and still loose!
I think the saying is lay with pigs your going to dirtt
KEK
helicoptering intensifies
Come on, man. Don't be a racist. MSM said Joe won.
ALL THE NETWORKS!
OMG ALL THE NETWORKS!
Seems like racism to me.
After all white nationalism is the number one threat to America even though i know more more furries and transgenders and I live in The Bible belt
To be honest sometimes I get discouraged like I'm ugly or something I lived my whole life in the rural South and I've never once been recruited by a white nationalist i don't even know one
If they're the number 1 threat to America you would think that just 1 time 1 would come up to me and be like Hey you want to join our club?
This right here.im From what you would think would be prime area, and the only thing I ever saw was a business card, this goofy boy stole from his uncle's dresser.
They have the tightest opsec in the world is all I know, then. Then again I have never seen any violence attributed to them, in 20 years. Every once in a while, you'd see six dudes on the news doing a March in someones birthplace. That's it.
Prison type stuff, is whole different thing.
The card was old in the 1990s
wait what saying Joe didn't win is racist now??
They have likely facefucked themselves bar absolute cuckery from the courts
Maybe it's a way for dems to just take the loss without them being able to prove exactly how the fraud happened so they can't prosecute anyone for it?
This was the first thing I thought.
Losing > losing + going to jail
I hope its not that easy for them
Did someone say facefuck?
Username checks out
Innocent people don't do this shit. It can't get no more obvious
There's not a prison big enough- we need an Australia 2.0
Trump looking into buying Greenland is starting to actually make a whole lot of sense.
I'd move there. Long as I have broadband internet I don't care if I'm stuck inside for 8 months out of the year.
This hits close to home these days... still it's not been that bad.
We can throw all the Democrat politicians, journalists, and alphabet spooks into a big beautiful camp right in the middle of the Greenland ice cap.
Antarctica, with no fucking parkas.
Only basketball jerseys with maximum ventilation
Then fire hose them as you leave.
Ehh. Waste of water lol let em be penguin food
Only patriots get coats
TAKE THEIR COATS!
Penguins did nothing to deserve to be overrun with democrats.
Why spend the time and money on a treasonous asswipe?
I say a single round should do it. Hell, I’ll buy it.
Greenland!
You know it’s funny you mention that I have proposed this. We spend approximately $50 billion a year in federal and state prisons, let’s just send everybody guilty of capital crimes and felonies to Australia and pay them $8 billion a year. Oh and they all lose citizenship as well
There is nothing unusual about destroying the ballot envelopes. The only verifying information that the enclosed ballot is OUTSIDE on the envelope. "Verify" the envelope, take out the ballot and all traceability is now lost. The ballot can be machine counted or hand counted. It does not matter. It's in the system now. Ballots without voter identification cannot be refuted.
So therefore, the process mandates that ballot envelopes be destroyed. After all, they are no longer "needed". This is a tried and true Democrat cheating method.
Only people involved in "matters". Destroying things like mail-in ballot envelopes and cellphones are just "matters". Check in with Comey for more details.
Destroyed envelopes? Like, with a cloth?
Kek.
Nope, but nothing ever happens to them "like with a clothe, smashing phones Side of Beef". They are rewarded instead.
What did the tweet say?
We're looking into it as we speak
Unrelated but love your username
Thanks
So some underling with go to jail but the big fish will walk.
Fact check: False. Many high fives will be given.
I'm not sure if you heard, but we've been doing some things.
which doesn't really mean anything, I mean, I have very low expectations for the SC, just look at obamacare.
The swing vote there(Roberts) is now on the lefty 4 justices.
But I agree, the legislatures are the ones that choose the electors, and therefore they are the ones that need to be convinced. Though a favorable court decision can go a long way there.
Trump needs to lobby the state legislatures.
Yeah. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barret really fucked us on that one.
copied from another post of mine.
So if this hits the Supreme court, we have...
Alito, who made the order that got ignored. I've seen judges rule out of spite before, it's pretty fucking hilarious.
Thomas, who had his life and legacy personally ruined by that bald daughterfucker. Yeah, I wonder what way he'd rule.
Kava the beer-drinkin dude who got Clarence Thomas'd by the same group of people, including Kamala Harris, and worked on Bush v Gore (on Bush's team)
and Amy Coney Barrett, who also worked on Bush v Gore. Oh, and Biden is a "practicing Catholic" who supports abortion (which is to say, isn't really a catholic). fucking lmao
Thats 4 damn-near guaranteed votes there. pretty sure Gorsuch worked on Bush V Gore too, making it the locked-in five, but... yeah, so it goes
yeah, there's almost no way this doesn't win at the SC
Let's not imply that they will vote based on personal bias. I think they will rule based on the merits of the case.
That was an incredibly-different SC.
There are three new Justices since then. There's a near guaranteed 5-4 conservative majority even if Roberts defects to the left, 6-3 if he doesn't.
Why would you give Trump's lawyers more evidence of systematic voter fraud
Because they’d rather take the chances that votes are kept and they’re given some meaningless slap on the wrist. If they had kept the envelopes illegal votes would have been easy to prove. Now it’s up to the court to invalidate all the mail in ballots that don’t have an envelope to verify signatures, which they could do.
But the Dems know the odds of the Supreme Court siding with allowing the votes to stand is still greater than the risk of keeping envelopes of fraudulent votes. It’s literally a, “yeah, I didn’t follow the law but where’s your proof of fraud?” move. Desperation play but probably logically the only choice they had.
If the court rules against them they can gaslight the left through the media even more about DiSeNfRaNcHiSeD vOtErS. Which will either lead to 4 more years of bullshit investigations on how “Trump stole the election” or mass upheaval in the streets that will make the earlier riots look like friendly bonfires.
Yeah I agree with this. Also it needs to be said that any court, even SCOTUS, is going to be apprehensive against throwing out votes if they can't be proven to be fraudulent. Probably a really good play on democrats part to do this.
Which would just legalize fraud, which makes all future elections pointless until significant changes are made to the system, and disenfranchises every single legal voter
Then the argument will be made we cannot verify the votes now in a highly contested election if they are valid or not. They destroyed the evidence, these votes must be thrown out because they simply cannot be verified at all now period.
On top of this, the violated court order does NOT look good for the Democrats.
Here is hoping the Scotus agrees.
If not, Trump has his people in place, and 100 million patriots who voted for him.
Standing back and standing by
Then, trump drops the Dominion hammer and takes away 3 millions Biden votes.
If SCOTUS doesn't agree then they have been compromised completely.
If this goes to SCOTUS, Biden and Harris burn. Biden called Thomas a fucking rapist. Harris called Kavanaugh a fucking rapist. It will be the most excoriating and far-reaching legal "ass-raping" of all time.
I don't think you've realized yet that nobody gives a shit about legal voters.
I mean, I'm just hoping that >1/2 of SCOTUS does, at this point I guess
Just strip PA of her EC votes due to fraud and being unable to legitimately validate the votes.
Bingo. This way they can play the "disenfranchised voters" narrative even though its more likely it will get slapped down in court.
If I remember right, they tried the whole "disenfranchised voter" thing back during a case regarding Sunday voting in...North Carolina I think. Court asked them to produce specific people who weren't able to vote because of the removal of one Sunday in early voting.
When "muh disenfranchised voters" clearly just means "omg no fair you're not letting us cheat," we need to just collectively say "that's nice, we don't give a fuck."
This is 100% their play and it scares me. However, one thing the SCOTUS could opt for is to order a REVOTE. It's happened before.
It's happened before for other federal positions in state elections, but the constitution is very exacting about what is allowed in a presidential election, and my reading is that any sort of revote would be unconstitutional. The options are really include the ballots, throw out the ballots, or have the legislature and electors decide the vote.
100%. They can now claim “lack of evidence” and rely on the assumed threat of civil unrest to coerce the Supreme Court to yield
Mass civil unrest either way, SCOTUS should choose the one that actually protects the integrity of the elections.
So threaten the courts and the American people with violence - the Democratic party in a nutshell, and exactly why we're throwing their asses out of civilization one way or another.
This guy gets the game. And this deserves far more upvotes.
I’m just happy I didn’t get a bunch of downvotes to be honest. It’s admittedly a fine line between “concern trolling” and realistically acknowledging that the dems are gladly putting the ball in the SC’s hands despite how much they’ll screech about it leading up to any SC ruling.
Even if they rule in our favor because the written law is on our side(and it looks to be) the Dem/Media are attempting to build a win/win long term scenario for themselves whichever way the SC rules. They didn’t put together “the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history” haphazardly. They know exactly what they’re doing and shouldn’t be taken lightly.
Yup, they're hoping they can coast on an incompetence/stupidity defense, whereas leaving it as it was would have made the malice and intentionality hard to deny.
longer rope
They love losing. Only explanation!
Because the fraud is so vast and varied. Frankly, it's a great problem to have if one is trying to prove that fraud occurred.
It’s literally like those gameshows where they put you in the giant clear tube with a fan under you and money blowing everywhere and you have to grab as much as you can in 60 seconds.
Ha ha, this. ^
fucking hilarious
Also, Democrats have undermined the electoral system so consistently that it's very hard to "prove" anything, because the system is so laughably unsecure and crippled that there's no tracking, no accountability, no constraints on anything.
I think that was intentional. More varied methods of fraud means they have to challenge each instance of fraud separately, requiring more man-hours and more court time. The goal of the Democrats may have been to overwhelm the courts with fraud cases, ensuring most don't get settled in time for December 14th.
You have 1000s of people all doing shady shit in 100s of places while others are keeping the dozens of watchmen at bay or tied up in BS.
You would need 1000s of people 24/7 tracking and watching every ballot and every ballot box, they know you can't do it and simply cheat like crazy.
Its a total lack of honor and they know it.
True
Which is why every single civilized country in Europe both maintains an up-to date nationwide voter registry, and requires you to prove you are who you say you are when voting; makes it much harder to cast multiple votes at different polling places or cast votes in the names of deceased or nonvoters. US election systems are a fucking joke - by design.
I'd argue that Trump is ahead of this. He's trying to drain the swamp, but he needs big, public proof so that every average Joe on the street realizes the swamp is real. Election fraud is one of those annoying issues that has always existed, and conservatives have always ranted about, and have always discussed good ideas on how to fix, but you never heard about it if you weren't listening to Rush Limbaugh or following conservative sites, did you?
To even begin to address these issues you have to drag them out into the light. If people don't believe they exist, you can't exactly campaign to have them eliminated, can you?
Trump basically forces the media to play on his ground, one way or another. He lives rent free in their heads. They can spew out as much propaganda as they want, but now sleeping people are going to start waking up and wondering what all the fuss is about.
Have faith Trump will win!
Be prepared for the worst!
God bless you all!
MAGA FOREVER 🇺🇸
The cream, will rise to the top
Macho man Randy savage never disappoints.
(I typed that in his voice)
MAGA POWERS YEAH
I'm prepared for the best possible scenario, pos lefties losing, freaking out and coming to my suburbs. It's gotta end one way or another, and this is as good a time as any.
You can't destroy what didn't exist. There were likely no envelopes at all for the fake ballots. They probably destroyed some valid envelopes to cover the thousands that never existed.
And that's what a good lawyer would use to counter argue. NOW WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THESE BALLOTS ARE LEGITIMATE SINCE THE INJUNCTION PASSED BY THE SUPREME COURT WAS NOT FOLLOWED AND THE BALLOTS WERENT SEGREGATED AS ORDERED.
Place the burden of proving those are legitimate ballots on the defense.
Yeah, I think I've heard Rudy specifically say that the burden of proof would be on them to prove that they were legal.
I always imagine the Trump campaign reading through these and saying "Hey guys, I have a new idea!" You'd think that some of them are on here. I mean, GEOTUS did an AMA on reddit once.
Good point. Maybe they're just saying they destroyed them because that's marginally better than saying there was no envelope because they weren't mailed because they are fake. (black guy tapping side of head meme)
On the Bannon podcast, Rudy said they have sworn witnesses who will testify the 4 AM "ballot dump" in Philadelphia involved plain cardboard boxes with thousands of ballots marked only for Biden. Presumably the people who printed those forged ballots wouldn't bother making envelopes for them.
Good point
No envelope = ballot goes in the fucking trash.
Amen.
If there is no envelope, then there is no proof there was ever a ballot to begin with.
They have been mixed in with legit ballots.
The SC said to keep the ballots separate and they didn't do it (the SC said it twice)
ACB failed us on her first day in office, she turned into Session.
She said she didn't have time to review the case yet. Let's see what she does when it gets real here in a week or two.
Yes she choose to not rule on a massively important issue.
Her excuse is weak.
That's the whole problem - she didn't vote for emergency stay (forcing PA to segregate the votes) and now we don't have the case, really.
Yes she was, for the second case. Barely, but surely.
It was emergency relief request, not big deal. She decided not to get involved.
She choose to stay out of the 4-4 Penn State ruling which is the core issue here.
She was on the court for the 4-4 vote, you can type it in BIG letters if you want.
She said she did not have enough time to make a decision but it was her choice not to weigh in.
So just change that reply to RIGHT.
Then the well is poisoned All of Philadelphia's votes get tossed. Don't get mad at Trump, Philadelphians. Get mad at the Left.
The SC will have to have the balls to do the right thing.
They are human and know if they do the right thing and toss the ballots, cities will burn.
Lets hope they do not cave to violence (humans tend to cave in).
she took the knee to the LGBTQXYZ mob, that is when I realized she could mean trouble.
Something tells me the courts are just going to say we can't prove the votes were fraudulent now so everything stands... God I hope I'm wrong
they will and then we take it to the supreme court from what i'm hearing
Judge Alito ordered Pennsylvania officials to separate ballots that arrived after Election Day, he knows Philly is dirty.
Does his bark have bite?
That's what I'm thinking too. He's going to enjoy writing the scathing opinion that they can go eat the biggest bag of dicks on the planet.
Alito's definitely does; the other justices, though... We know Robert's gets shaky legs for anything controversial.
Don't need Roberts for a majority
Alito
Thomas
Gorsuch
Kavanaugh
ACB
And 3 of them have been through this before
Not only that, if Roberts doesn't go with the majority, then Thomas gets to write the majority opinion. On the case against the guy who called him a fucking ape rapist.
Poetic Justice Thomas
Alito was also there in 2000. He may know a thing or two about Election bullshit.
Yeah, will have to see what happens in SCOTUS. You can never apply how the law is written and expect ruling to go in your favor. Unpopular opinion, but, we have 4 partisan SCOTUS judges and ACB (yet to be determined) and I hope she is partisan as hell.
She shouldn't have to be partisan to side against Philadelphia. Any SCOTUS justice should 100% have a problem with how badly PA screwed with proper electoral procedures. It should be a 9-0 decision for at LEAST a full audit, if not a dismissal of every single vote tabulated after Alito's court order was issued. Why are dem partisans so awful at upholding basic standards of integrity??
Thats where we are however. That good system you have heard about all your life, it doesnt exist.
That's a feature of the Dem picks, not a bug. They intentionally picked lapdogs for the Dem party that don't care what the law says and vote based on political winds in the Party.
If by partisan, you mean Constitutionalists, I agree. They read the law, and the law is what the law is. If you're supposed to save the envelopes for potential audit, then that's what you're supposed to do. I honestly think the Dems want Scotus to do their jobs, so they can go back to playing victim of the corrupt fascist system. It's their schtick and and they're schticking with it.
Partisan? How about Constitutionalist
Thats partisan now.
Don't have too much faith in Kavanaugh.
The decision will?
I thought her career was based on her ability to suck married cock... ?
Not gonna lie u had me at first.
My friend, Kavanaugh will rule against Harris, given the chance, 10 times out of 10.
And go have a beer afterwards and blast some boofs in their general direction.
U know his wife in the background loving what’s coming
I believe Kavanaugh will do what is right and just, rather than just ruling out of spite. But it's nice to know that Kavanaugh definitely isn't in the pockets of the Biden crime family.
Well, there is some ray of hope, we already got a 4-4 split decision that sent case back to lower court ruling. Same case. There was an agreement to review after elections with a full court. So that's a strong indicator we have 4 of 5 votes needed. By no means a definite, but strong enough.
I'm sure he hates her for that and would spit in her face (or worse) if given the chance. He's part of the club though, and political theatre comes with the territory. Maybe he casts judgment based on his convictions, maybe he has deeper obligations to people we don't know about. I'm just saying be very skeptical when it comes to him.
Say a prayer homie. Anything can happen once the court's involved. So much power in a select few hands.
Regrettably, this is the most likely result. Courts generally attempt to maintain the status quo (source: am lawyer). It’s possible SCOTUS may see this as a watershed moment, like Brown or Roe, and eviscerate these people, but you need to be prepared that the Court will simply handwave it away.
Simply handwave away the future of the western world? Hell no. Everyone knows they cheated. The Supreme Court is just going to hand over our destiny to cheating communists? And not to mention destroy their own court in the process? Not taking a stand on this case is suicide. They will rule accordingly
Simply handwave away the future of the western world?
The powers that be pay alot to do this.
If they're anything like my former pastor, yes.
"Learn to lose with dignity even when you're right" which was just "turn the other cheek" dressed up in fancier words and other BS like that is why I left that church.
No, the courts are going to see if the election officials followed the law.
If the PA law says the burden of proof is on the challenger, fine. But if the law says that the ballots must meet certain criteria to be valid (say, having an envelope), then the courts will say those ballots are illegal.
Well that would give me a huge raging boner my friend
aaaand the tweet is deleted by twitter. they cant be more obvious than this.
What did it say? Anyone got a screengrab?
It was a retweet of this: https://twitter.com/davidchapman141/status/1326593526868668417
No source provided so I'm guessing Eric Trump found out it was false.
Since I can still view the original tweet and not the retweet, I am left to believe that their algorithm is not just targetting information with natural language processing algorithms but specific individuals.
I joined twitter years ago for some dumb fuck reason but never tweeted anything. When the election was a few months out I revived the account and started following people. The other day when https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1325287431394914305?s=20 was posted I started playing around in twitter with language surrounding vote hammer scorecard and dominion. No censorship. But I never post nor do I have followers. I'm insignificant. We need to figure out by trial and error the censorship patterns, and inundate people with censored information
Aaaannnd its gone
The tweet I linked to is still there but Eric's has been gone for a while.
Someone posted this lower in the thread
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CCP bastards. I know we aren't into burning crap down, but ......
Yeah curious what this means for us
This seems to be the left's last effort. They figure to contaminate the entire vote will force the ONLY remedy to be for SCOTUS to disqualify like 600k votes and they are hoping SCOTUS will be too reluctant to put their hands into a state that deeply. It's their only play and it could work. SCOTUS makes me nervous AF.
I would be nervous as well, though a justice hit them with 2 orders, disobeying what appears to be both. If they don't rule harshly and to the law, they will set the precedent. I don't think Alito and others will mess around here.
Exactly. This isn't a local enforcement agency or a county courthouse, this is just slightly bigger and they know that if they rule in a way that favors the fraud and disobedience, it opens the door for people to use their ruling in the future.
Ideally, for our country to "heal" (and let me be clear, we were doing GREAT before all this shit... the dem rioters and BLM put us back 2o yeas in race relations)... but yeah, for our country to "heal" I believe a 9-0 SCOTUS would do the trick for even the most ardent normie. Only the true commies would be in revolt then, which is what we want. Even an 8-1 (Can't count on Sotomayer at all).
I'm not worried about the vote, so long as they side with America. 4 more years of President Trump and we are literally disinfecting the swamp for good.
Agreed, but it would be nice to have a peaceful surrender by the less radical lefties.
I have no faith in the people that have called us Nazis, racists, bigots, and everything else in the book over the last four years even with all the evidence laid out in front of them. It's unfortunate because the true division has come from the left. At this point I have no desire for mercy and the system of the Democrats needs to be absolutely destroyed.
Have you watched any legacy media? They will never see the evidence we've seen.
So to win a state in 2024, just insert two million ballots, make sure there's no direct proof to invalidate the votes even though every mathematician in the country is screaming fraud = SCOTUS will sit by and do nothing!?
If SCOTUS cucks, the PA state legislature better be ready to not certify the election.
What happens if they don't certify?
PA sends 0 electors. Read the 12th Amendment to see what happens when neither Trump nor Biden has 270.
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There's no way he let's Biden name his replacement, and my guess is he wants to retire soon.
Link the archive version. 4chan links expire.
That was their play in 2000 and it didn't work out the way they hoped, so our odds are probably better than most people think.
Good point. That makes me feel better. Plus with the old woman out of the way, now we have 2 accused rapists this time instead of just one.. and a newly minted religious zealot that hates women. All facing their accusers. I mean, I know judges are supposed to be impartial and all but...I like our chances :)
I agree...Didn't I read a headline the other day that SCOTUS was going to uphold Obamacare again? I think I read that.
Well they aren't "upholding" it. But it looks like they are telegraphing that severability does not apply. If that's a constitutional ruling, I'm good with it, even if it results in Obamacare staying in place. We just need to find another way to get rid of it. There are a few.
https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/Documents/Canvassing-Segregated-Ballot-Guidance.pdf
The last line of the guidance says they must keep the ballot and ballot envelope.
who enforces this?
Well, it's the Secretary of States guidance based on a ruling by a Supreme Court Justice.
I imagine it would be up to the Democrat administration to enforce it.
"3. By statute, no challenges by authorized representatives or any third party are permitted during canvass of the mail-in and absentee ballots."
Uh.. wtf? Am I reading that right?
Thank you - needed to see that to confirm.
So if they didn't keep the envelope then all of those ballots are spoiled and void under PA's own regulations - boom, Trump wins.
So the reason that mail in ballots are “safe” is bc while the ballots can be forged, the envelopes are coded very specifically.
But if you trash the envelopes, there’s no way to prevent a crooked group from bringing in extra ballots and just voila here are Biden votes.
No way to audit without envelopes.
They really are just digging a deeper and deeper hole. No way they get out of this unless the deep state gets to the Supreme Court, and even then the Republican legislature can choose their own slate of electors.
Tweet deleted, what did it say?
Someone posted this lower in the thread
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Democrat have small peepee
lol all the votes after polls close are going to be ruled out and thrown in the garbage. They did not expect donald trump to have a massive turnout and had to do a last ditch sloppy job to rig the already rigged election. These people are really dumb.
Yeah the massive turnout made them desperate. Their only choice is to go all out, then dig in, and use MSM, the Swamp, and big tech for a final protective fire.
“You are really dumb. So dumb. Fo real”
Antwon Dodson
Sadly I don't think they will. The truth is obvious to everyone with a brain, but incontrovertible evidence, which would be necessary to "disenfranchise" people, will be hard to come by.
My fear is they won't be able to discern between legal ballots and illegal ballots. My biggest fear is the Dems get away with another "okay-now-we-know-and-it-won't-happen-again" excuse and PA falls.
We all know that the Dems have no morals and will do whatever they feel will get them into the White House.
I mean a lot of this is just going through the motions now. The coup went hot on Election Night. Anyone on TV pretending otherwise is just a liar. Trump won in a landslide and right at the moment they were going to be forced to call it, the entire Election was frozen, across all the battleground states. That is it. Everything else is just talking heads playing pretend. It’s like the second plane hitting the second tower on 9/11 and every single news network says, “Whoa, crazy coincidence there!” And then the entire news media just moves on to some other story on 9/12 as if nothing happened while everyone calling for some kind of investigation is censored and fired.
THEY GOT CAUGHT CHEATING SO THEY SCREWED THE WHOLE OPERATION. THE DESTRUCTION OF BALLOT ENVELOPES IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED THAT FUCKERY IS AFOOT!!!
Exactly! This combined with the violation of alito’s order.... if it goes to the SCOTUS they will beg for mercy
And what stops the CCP-DNC from just taking Amy Coney-Barrett’s kids hostage until she votes for the fraud?
I mean they probably don’t even have to do that. Just tell her unless she votes for the fraud, they will kill them all one by one in staged accidents over the next ten years. She is a chick, she will fold.
Then what?
I don’t even think this is at the point where there is a legal solution. Whether or not the American Republic falls comes down to Amy Coney Barrett? One woman?
Ticketmaster has already announced that concerts won’t be open to the public to anyone not vaccinated. Every other business will follow. Next will come the microchip inserted in our bodies to track us. Without it we won’t be able to buy or sell. Just having your vaccination card won’t be enough because people will sell and share them. They will force the microchip on everyone. One vote from Amy Coney Barrett is not going to be enough to stop this.
Maybe. Maybe not. I think that threatening a SCOTUS judge is not beyond these people, but I also think Trump probably has anticipated this.
Philadelphia and Allegheny are the scums of Pennsylvania.
How do we get a good and fair audit when all the illegal votes are mixed with legal votes?
Re-vote?
You don't.
The source of those ballots must be verified. A recount just recounts the ballots. An audit must prove they are legal.
I mean, it's pretty obvious what has happened with the election.. what bothers me the most is that no one with any sort of power to stop this nonsense is not stopping and speaking up.. we need a complete overhaul of this country... It will take a big reset.
Wait. It's coming.
A... great... reset?
loads shotgun with malicious intent
Yuuuup
Aaaand it's gone. Lol.
I think a lot of you are overlooking something here.
Yes, this screws with the whole recounting process. But also, this takes the blame away from Biden. Now when he loses Pennsylvania, it won't be because the Democrats cheated but rather because "some idiot" working the polls threw away the votes.
Assuming the dems will allow him to lose PA. They are not going to give up easily.
Like with a cloth?
No, with bleach, dummy!!
You have to inject it for it to work.
Ballots without envelopes must be invalidated!!!
A ballot without an envelope is inballotated
Ballots without envelopes are incomplete documents and therefore invalid.
They just invalided all the mail in ballots.
This makes PA a lock. They were ordered to separate thr ballots, but went ahead amd destroyed them? Sure Alito will love that.
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anyone got an archive for our pedes?
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<3
Double thank you!
Me too... Why?
Looks like they destroyed the Tweet too. Can yall pls use screenshots... for so many reasons.
I hate when people post direct links to Twitter... embeds only work sometimes for me, and I often have to do weird things refreshing the link even after I click on it.
Same, I'm banned from Twitter so I have to back and forth to see the tweet. I wish the admins would ask people to post screenshots of Twitter because half the time they get deleted and why give those assholes free hits?
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Pennsylvania really screwed around with the Peoples' choice. Disobeyed the Supreme Court already. Next time the SCOTUS gets involved, the only logical, and fair, Remedy is to invalidate the Election.
States decide. It's time to go Constitutional.
Surely it would be a unanimous decision if they already disobeyed a ruling from the supreme court.....or maybe some judges aren't really impartial
If Pennsylvania doesn't want to stick to the principles it agreed to by ratifying the US Constitution, namely to have a "republican form of government", frankly I don't see why it should be allowed to be a state. Revert it to a Federal Territory until the government there can demonstrate basic competence in democratic principles.
Original tweet
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Thank you. This should be a stickied comment.
They just unlocked the thread...
Anyone got a screencap or archive of the tweet?
I'd love to see it as well. Wonder why it was locked?
Anyone else disappointed in the lack of sophistication and technology used here?
Hope after Trump blows the fuckin doors down with his re-election he fixes this
Looks like they had the sophisticated technology covered already, but due to the unexpected magnitude of the landslide they had to improvise "a bit" on top of that
This is basically admission of guilt! Why on God's green earth would you destroy the only way ballots can be validated? To cover up the fraud.
All of these ballots must be declared void, and those who destroyed the envelopes must be brought to criminal justice.
Original tweet
Thank you so much!
Not sure which rule of evidence this would be except that the destruction of evidence brings with it the automatic assumption that the evidence would not have been favorable to the side who had custody or destroyed it.
You have to prove in court to a judge the the ones destroying it are the opposing 'side'.
They will claim they are simply workers who got confused.
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, though, there is.
Can we stop hot-linking to twitter? These tweets are being deleted by faciast twitter. Screenshots would be helpful
Already gone. Anybody get a screen shot?
If you can blatantly violate a Supreme Court Order without any ramifications, why am I paying my taxes? My utilities? and my mortgage? Laws apparently don’t matter.
Based on a preponderance of the evidence, blatantly destroying evidence of election fraud against a court order demonstrates that the election's result was untrustworthy. If an audit is no longer possible, there are only three remedies limited to PA:
a. Invalidate any remotely questionable ballots with prejudice, based on the preponderance of the evidence. In PA, that would mean everything that came in after they stopped counting.
b. Invalidate the election in PA, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Have another election.
c. Invalidate the election in PA, based on the preponderance of the evidence. Render a verdict in favor of the victim of cheating.
I think the point is not to make Biden win as much as it is to tarnish the inevitable Trump presidency from the start.
Even if Trump is able to stay in power (which is likely), 2020 will NEVER be remembered as the out-of-this-world Trump landslide that it should have been (and was). It will forever be remembered as something dirty, tarnished and the Nation as a whole will never be able to come together as agreeing which side really won.
Which makes Biden's points about "healing the Nation and re-uniting" especially spicy. This extra spiciness, of course, was intentional indeed. They have their own private jokes.
Pretty much this, they fucked up and got caught now they're just trying to make it into the biggest klusterfuk Fiasco they can
d. Declare PA a rogue state, wall off Democrat areas as occupied territory, begin orbital bombardment.
Possible reasons why the Dems torched it:
a) Avoids further investigation and proof of fraud. This means the judge might be forced to either throw ALL the votes out or a re-vote. Both of which gives the Dems a better chance than the fraud being conclusively proven in court.
b) Avoids proof of fraud that can be used in other states. At worst, the Dems can argue that this only happened in Pennsylvania. Saves them other states and hides the methods of their fraud.
c) Saves the asses of the individual Dems who committed voter fraud. All those possible people implicated in voter fraud could turn and become witness, it is best to reduce the number of people that can be investigated.
d) Dems can also argue that the perpetrator of the ballot destruction is not necessarily a Democrat. It could be a Republican, and if it is, why should the people's votes not be counted just coz a Republican torched the ballots??
Alito's order was only for PA because they were literally removed signature and date verification from the ballot and going around the state legislators to PA SC to RAM it through in violation of the federal constitution. There's 1 explanation.
"I can't believe the GOP would disenfranchise voters like this!"
Yeah, not the GOP's fault that the Dems invalidated ballots by committing a fucking crime
"This Tweet is unavailable."
Thanks!
He deleted it so maybe it's not true?
Someone archived it. http://archive.today/blzvy
He said, "We are looking into this as we speak."
In response to:
@davidchapman141
"Philadelphia has destroyed all ballot envelopes.
This will make identifying naked ballots and ballots arriving post election impossible. It will also make finding fraud in an audit very hard."
lmao twatter be twatting
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand its gone
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What did it say?
Tweet deleted
Yep, not there any more... did anyone capture it before it was deleted?
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Here it is cocksuckers deleted it. https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8SpHswf/what-eric-tweeted-before-it-got-/c/
Thanks
I simply CANNOT understand why people INSIST on linking to Tweets. Take a damn screenshot, THEN post THAT.
I think both are useful. I wish people would post the screenshot, and then put the link as their first comment. That way we don't give traffic to twitter, but the few pedes who actually have accounts can find the tweets and spread them.
I mean, it allows people to access the tweet, as well as cites the resource. However, you can look at the engagement statistics of particular tweets, and every time someone looks at a post with an embedded tweet, it adds the that tweets engagement numbers. PLUS, anything true and juicy is going to get deleted anyways, so the post becomes somewhat useless.
I agree that the screenshot should be posted, with a link to the actual tweet put somewhere. That way it proves the validity of the tweet, prevents the tweet from getting engagements, and preserves it from being deleted.
Both is good. Screenshots are easy to photoshop.
So I'm guessing they destroyed the tweet about the destroyed envelopes?
What was the tweet? Shows up as deleted for me
https://twitter.com/davidchapman141/status/1326593526868668417
Eric Trump said they are looking into this as we speak
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