I used to believe the Deep State nonsense about Snowden, that he was a traitor, and all that bullshit. After learning more about him, and what he's had to say, my opinions of the man really turned around. I hope Trump gets around to pardoning him, he's a hero, and he really deserves it.
What Snowden did was a breach of his oath to secure state secrets. However, he did expose illegal use of powerful tools, originally designed to be used against our enemies, against American citizens.
He did an insane amount of damage with his leak by exposing our tools and methods. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to believe that his actions were necessary. Everyone whom he could have reported this illegal use to was compromised.
However, he did so illegally. The reason why I am leaning towards believing that POTUS should pardon him is because the legal means of remedy were corrupt.
You sound like John Brennan. He exposed that the power of the United States government was being illegally used to not only spy on Americans, but create a permanent record of all online activity, among other things. No lives have been put in danger by his actions.
Until very recently I felt as though he was a traitor and should probably be executed. In the last two years I have seen our nation's investigative agencies railroad the innocent, cover the tracks of the guilty, and forsake our founding notions for their own agendas.
Yeah, he didn't do anything but expose power abuses by our own government. He is definitely a hero. He is also a cuck and hates GEOTUS. Still, dude should be pardoned.
Look up the Xerox scanning scandal in ~2013. I personally don't see how it would relate to votes, but in short:
The scanner breaks down the document into small "patches" that contain information. Each single digit/letter/checkbox is such a patch.
Then the algorithm analyzes each patch and says "Hey patch 5 as well as patch 235, 540, 823 and 1023 look very similar. In order to save space let's just save patch 5. and then put it into the correct place in the finalized scanned document". This is done to reduce the file size of the finalized document.
And guess what "very similar" is not good enough. Sometimes it thinks an I and an l look the same. Or a Q and an O. Or a 6 and an 8.
So digitizing a document is another attack vector. And with some creativity I bet it can be used for election fraud.
I think the only thing that would help is open source every hardware / software that is used. Then it can be audited. I mean people don't have to be maliceous...
You’ve answered the question yourself. There is never a legal way to expose massive Government corruption like this. You will always be violating laws on secrecy.
Our highly computerized election infrastructure is vulnerable to sabotage, and even to cyber attacks that could change votes.
That reminds me of a job I used to have, years ago, where there were many holes in the money handling aspect of the job. When i made management aware of the vulnerability of the system to things like large amounts of unrecorded stacks of cash in places too many people had access to, and which were not in view of the security cameras, I was shocked to hear that management had no interest in finding solutions for those problems...
It was not until I noticed some of the management team paying cash for new cars that I realized why management did not want to fix those problems... Management specifically designed those problems so that management could take advantage of them.
It was all working as intended... Just like the flaws in the electronic voting system.
Horse shit. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is the same shit they spout off on daytime Fox News shows. Snowden did nothing wrong. You should educate yourself. The stuff Snowden exposed is exactly the shit that was used AGAINST Trump. Same programs. FISA, the secret courts. All of it.
They have constructed these programs such that whistleblowers are prosecuted under the espionage act. They never get to make their case in court because ‘national security.’ These people are disappeared. Snowden isn’t the only guy that’s ever blown the whistle. These people literally disappear. What Snowden did had to be done. If you have not already done so, you should read Snowden’s book. Or even listen to his episodes, in order, on Joe Rogan if you haven’t.
I used to believe the Deep State nonsense about Snowden, that he was a traitor, and all that bullshit. After learning more about him, and what he's had to say, my opinions of the man really turned around. I hope Trump gets around to pardoning him, he's a hero, and he really deserves it.
Listen, Snowden is no saint. He was a young dude with some goals. He believed what they told him.
Then he woke up to the bullshit.
Republicans and Democrats are all on the same side, which is why a lot of Republicans hated him, they wanted to ruin his name.
He and Assange deserve a lot more praise. We need freedom for Assange! Come on Trump do the right thing!
What Snowden did was a breach of his oath to secure state secrets. However, he did expose illegal use of powerful tools, originally designed to be used against our enemies, against American citizens.
He did an insane amount of damage with his leak by exposing our tools and methods. However, as time goes on, I'm beginning to believe that his actions were necessary. Everyone whom he could have reported this illegal use to was compromised.
What damage did he do, exactly?
He exposed the means and methodology of our communications intercepts.
He exposed the violation of the Fourth Amendment. That Trumps means and methods.
Yes.
However, he did so illegally. The reason why I am leaning towards believing that POTUS should pardon him is because the legal means of remedy were corrupt.
You sound like John Brennan. He exposed that the power of the United States government was being illegally used to not only spy on Americans, but create a permanent record of all online activity, among other things. No lives have been put in danger by his actions.
He is not even close to being on the level of Assange.
Oh yeah, obviously
Rumors are he was a CIA asset that was sent to reveal NSAs secrets.
It is proven he was in CIA. Do you ever really leave the CIA?
Yes same way you leave the mob
We need Chuck Bartowski to sort out the problems with the CIA and NSA.
Pardon this man
Everyone knows they electronically swapped the votes
We must win
Snowden!! Give that man a full pardon
Until very recently I felt as though he was a traitor and should probably be executed. In the last two years I have seen our nation's investigative agencies railroad the innocent, cover the tracks of the guilty, and forsake our founding notions for their own agendas.
Lets bring this fella home.
Yeah, he didn't do anything but expose power abuses by our own government. He is definitely a hero. He is also a cuck and hates GEOTUS. Still, dude should be pardoned.
He and I would not be buddies, this is true. However, there are millions of Americans who I dont care for, but I love none the less.
This is what I love about this place.
I feel silly, I thought I was responding to a different thread. Thank you, I really appreciate that.
We are a virtual rally, 27/7 baby!
Also, we have some pretty radical, black belt, autists who are ranking generals among the keyboard warriors.
He doesn’t actually hate POTUS and POTUS doesn’t actually want him executed. This is a psyop.
Paper. Scan. Audit. Simple.
Not scan.
Look up the Xerox scanning scandal in ~2013. I personally don't see how it would relate to votes, but in short:
The scanner breaks down the document into small "patches" that contain information. Each single digit/letter/checkbox is such a patch.
Then the algorithm analyzes each patch and says "Hey patch 5 as well as patch 235, 540, 823 and 1023 look very similar. In order to save space let's just save patch 5. and then put it into the correct place in the finalized scanned document". This is done to reduce the file size of the finalized document.
And guess what "very similar" is not good enough. Sometimes it thinks an I and an l look the same. Or a Q and an O. Or a 6 and an 8.
Here's an example of what it looks like: https://imgur.com/DzNx8wu
So digitizing a document is another attack vector. And with some creativity I bet it can be used for election fraud.
I think the only thing that would help is open source every hardware / software that is used. Then it can be audited. I mean people don't have to be maliceous...
Every year at DEFCON they hack voting machines...
"This just in: EDWARD SNOWDEN IS A MASSIVE HOMOPHOBE, TRANSPHOBE, ANTI-PEDOPHILIA, RACIST, SEXIST, ALT-RIGHT MEMBER!!!!"
-someone, somewhere
"-CNN" FTFY :-)
Snowden and Assange should be pardoned during one of Trump's two terms.
Insane.
Hold up... If you can just buy these on eBay, why doesn't some do that? They could reverse engineer and get the source code, right?
You’ve answered the question yourself. There is never a legal way to expose massive Government corruption like this. You will always be violating laws on secrecy.
Yes he did.thank you edward
I wish I had known that Russia was not our enemy when they let Snowden in. But I was just a libtard neocon back then.
I wonder if he would be saying this now. He hates President Trump.
Archived it for you ::
https://archive.is/2Dpxd
Nuts!
That reminds me of a job I used to have, years ago, where there were many holes in the money handling aspect of the job. When i made management aware of the vulnerability of the system to things like large amounts of unrecorded stacks of cash in places too many people had access to, and which were not in view of the security cameras, I was shocked to hear that management had no interest in finding solutions for those problems...
It was not until I noticed some of the management team paying cash for new cars that I realized why management did not want to fix those problems... Management specifically designed those problems so that management could take advantage of them.
It was all working as intended... Just like the flaws in the electronic voting system.
Unfortunately he was away from the chat for too long. But hey, what was true in 2019 is still true today.
The Truth About Edward Snowden(particularly 16:50)
Pardon the man, Mr. President
Horse shit. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is the same shit they spout off on daytime Fox News shows. Snowden did nothing wrong. You should educate yourself. The stuff Snowden exposed is exactly the shit that was used AGAINST Trump. Same programs. FISA, the secret courts. All of it.
The Oath is to the US Constitution not to the US government.
They have constructed these programs such that whistleblowers are prosecuted under the espionage act. They never get to make their case in court because ‘national security.’ These people are disappeared. Snowden isn’t the only guy that’s ever blown the whistle. These people literally disappear. What Snowden did had to be done. If you have not already done so, you should read Snowden’s book. Or even listen to his episodes, in order, on Joe Rogan if you haven’t.
Well if you’re concerned about giving him money, rest assured, the government is claiming the proceeds. https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/10/us-obtains-final-judgment-against-edward-snowden-over-book-proceeds/
They did the same thing to Navy SEAL Mark Owen. https://news.yahoo.com/former-seal-bin-laden-raid-forfeit-book-proceeds-215058061.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20vc2VhcmNoP3E9bmF2eStzZWFsK2Jvb2srcHJvY2VlZHMmUEM9VTMxNiZGT1JNPUNIUk9NTg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALP0zsuOG56N2oZjhz5RTuK9rcMbtrOCI78qVYh200IX1pOW4-dQOjGoVwo5ANOC-dd-N9FQJHcyApqT3LXDHgAEwcrSLx53SIOQhAiyMH8gdF1cl30_692h4ZEuL6vCHBbF-K7Hdh8xOjo-72LKyrjxQd8kEUGByPgfQtRedX90