This is clever. This should be doable in other counties. Make them prove themselves to be legitimate. If the votes get tossed, that county will feel cheated of their voting rights. If so, they will have to do something to prevent fraud. Maybe this needs to be done every year until it costs more to keep fighting it than the savings associated with using computer ballots.
Remember the case isn't likely to fall under criminal but Civil law. So instead of having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it will be Preponderance of evidence or clear and convincing evidence. Which are standards that with the evidence we currently have we can prove.
Don't have to be. I just understand the difference between criminal and civil lawsuits.
Based on the wording, they are making the statement the State Government wasn't fulfilling their legal duties in regards to maintaining a fair election.
It would be a criminal case if they were claiming a specific individual(s) or organization(s) or entities committed felonies or misdemeanors.
And the victim isn't a party to the action. The government would be.
While true. It is rare for courts to throw out votes if the voter was following directions given to them... I.e. sharpie gate. If they were told to use sharpie, but weren't supposed to, those votes would be counted. If voters were told to violate the law I'm not sure how that would fall. It would've the poll worker or election office advising people to break the law, but then you have to determine intent of the voter.
I'm only picking this up from notmy half asian lawyer.
Its hard to pretend the election is legitimate and shouldn't even be looked at all into, when there's a ton of lawsuits coming, claims of fraud, video of much shadiness and record numbers of votes for both supposedly, with a half year of violence leading up to the election. Any lawsuits at this point I think help.
My guess is they are going after the ballots delivered after 8pm which is in plain black and white in PA law. PA should be the easiest to flip in my honest opinion followed by a tie between GA/AZ maybe with AZ being slightly easier.
Edit: just read the article holy shit they are trying to get 3 counties tossed! Lol wow I hope it works but that’s tough sledding.
Interesting. It could also be a legal battering ram for the campaign lawsuits. File this one, get it tossed, but see what the cracks that need filling are.
He is showing us the way. We need to do the things.
This is clever. This should be doable in other counties. Make them prove themselves to be legitimate. If the votes get tossed, that county will feel cheated of their voting rights. If so, they will have to do something to prevent fraud. Maybe this needs to be done every year until it costs more to keep fighting it than the savings associated with using computer ballots.
That county is crap. If you cheat, it should get tossed.
If i was finacially able id be doing it. I wish i could.
You do not need money to make phone calls, send emails, talk to low info people, or dredge through obituaries. There is always something you can do.
No no i mean to file suit. Im doing that stuff already.
Then you are doing the things. Thank you.
1.2 million. Damn. Courts rarely throw out votes. Hope it's epic proof.
Remember the case isn't likely to fall under criminal but Civil law. So instead of having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it will be Preponderance of evidence or clear and convincing evidence. Which are standards that with the evidence we currently have we can prove.
Well there's a fuckton of evidence of a cover up, which in civil court is adequate to get a guilty verdict.
Are you a lawyer?
Don't have to be. I just understand the difference between criminal and civil lawsuits.
Based on the wording, they are making the statement the State Government wasn't fulfilling their legal duties in regards to maintaining a fair election.
It would be a criminal case if they were claiming a specific individual(s) or organization(s) or entities committed felonies or misdemeanors.
And the victim isn't a party to the action. The government would be.
I'm not contradicting nor doubting you, but was just wondering if you had studied law.
Ahhh, well it's always good do doubt people online. And I did study a bit since I was going into law enforcement.
Fair point.
Same. If this happens, this would win Michigan for Trump right?
Oh yeah.
Yes
yeah! when do they get to reveal the proof? this all needs to hurry up
Please. If it were Trump votes, Hawaii Judge would ordered them burned and put a sealing order over the whole thing without hesitation.
While true. It is rare for courts to throw out votes if the voter was following directions given to them... I.e. sharpie gate. If they were told to use sharpie, but weren't supposed to, those votes would be counted. If voters were told to violate the law I'm not sure how that would fall. It would've the poll worker or election office advising people to break the law, but then you have to determine intent of the voter.
I'm only picking this up from notmy half asian lawyer.
The court is not going to throw out 1.2 million votes unless they are 110% sure they were collected fraudulently.
I have a feeling these suits are designed to be defeated so that they can reach the SCOTUS as fast as possible.
Its hard to pretend the election is legitimate and shouldn't even be looked at all into, when there's a ton of lawsuits coming, claims of fraud, video of much shadiness and record numbers of votes for both supposedly, with a half year of violence leading up to the election. Any lawsuits at this point I think help.
My guess is they are going after the ballots delivered after 8pm which is in plain black and white in PA law. PA should be the easiest to flip in my honest opinion followed by a tie between GA/AZ maybe with AZ being slightly easier.
Edit: just read the article holy shit they are trying to get 3 counties tossed! Lol wow I hope it works but that’s tough sledding.
One thing I noticed is you are trying to use PA law here when the case is in regards to Michigan.
Ah thanks for the correction Pede! You are correct
Interesting. It could also be a legal battering ram for the campaign lawsuits. File this one, get it tossed, but see what the cracks that need filling are.
Apart from saying claims of fraud have been debunked, that's a pretty good article for mlive to have written.