posted ago by The_Def_of_Is_Is ago by The_Def_of_Is_Is +9 / -0

I am very appreciative of the efforts I have seen on exposing the issues with the ballots and the counting. This is important work, but I am seeing a common problem - no specific perpetrator. Dominion is the strongest lead on that front, but not finished. The PA lawsuit is getting some traction because it points to a person who broke the law and the votes were already clearly not valid. It is very unlikely to lead to getting to throwing out cast votes because the court will assume the innocent voter's right to be counted can't be stripped by another person failing to follow the law without clear evidence the ballots are being manipulated. Since the ballots themselves are likely being "fixed" offsite, only a handful of people are likely involved. Without fingering one of them, proving the results are bullshit won't be enough for the courts. I've seen some amazing feats of finding identities - consider this nothing more than a plea to focus energies productively.

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slag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Discovery is part of the process in any case, criminal or civil. There are multiple suits attacking both ways. Rights violations based on evidence of rigging, and the effect of voter fraud. Discovery is where additional evidence can come to light under court order (e.g. get the voting machines, get communication, camera footage, etc.) It's a process that has to play out. Affidavits and other evidence should be enough to initiate.

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The_Def_of_Is_Is [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Discovery takes times and has rules. Given the money involved on defense, I severely doubt the first exchange of such could happen before inauguration day.

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slag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Litigation impedes certification.

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The_Def_of_Is_Is [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not necessarily. I certainly wouldn't count on it.

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slag 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's a political game ad much as legal. Politics is about having cover (especially with cowardly repubs) so they don't face blowback. While the court process plays out, pressure has to come from the ground (like stop the steal protests, which changed the tempo overnight) and on national stage (e.g. potus making case via rallies or podium where he can't be ignored).

Combined with the cover of a legally contested election, and pressure pointing to popular anger at a stolen election, state legislature (plenary power to certify election and appoint electors) has freedom and incentive to exercise constitutional power. Either don't certify until court is done or audit completed (PA already said this, now MI is picking up), or if parties drag it out in bad faith, fail to certify or appoint electors however they deem. Not my favorite solutions, but multiple paths exist in addition to concurrent court stuff.

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The_Def_of_Is_Is [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the right idea, the foreign country becomes the perpetrator which is an umbrella reserved for the executive to look under. However, then you need to show proof of damage. So an individual who's vote was manipulated after casting, or without casting themselves. I'm not sure that's possible to prove.

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weltbild 1 point ago +1 / -0

the courts are the architects of this mess, trusting them to fix it is a hard bargain

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The_Def_of_Is_Is [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't trust them. But they operate on very specific logic that most people don't have any experience with. So any chance must start with a better understanding.

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The_Def_of_Is_Is [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am aware of the boxes. Be prepared but do not hope for the last one.