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salvecitizen 7 points ago +8 / -1

This looks like a usefully persuasive argument. It's easy to lie with statistics though, so devils advocate:

Who created it?

Why are those particular seventeen counties examined? Are they objectively somehow 'the best bellwethers'? If they are merely 'some traditional bellwethers', then a chart of seventeen different ones might paint a very different picture.

If indeed those seventeen are a good choice to represent bellwethers as a whole, then this looks like a good persuader.

For numeric context, USGS says there are 3141 counties.
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-many-counties-are-united-states?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products

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Opinionated_Ocelot 4 points ago +5 / -1

Yes, I know that at least a few of these are very good bellwether counties. I believe this 17 comes from a Wikipedia list that shows their historical accuracy and details the times each has been wrong/what their streak is. It isn't often.

Wiki says it supposedly has significant issues. I don't recall this tag the other day when I looked it up... Looks like they may have found and dispooted it lmao

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_election_bellwether_counties_in_the_United_States

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salvecitizen 2 points ago +3 / -1

Thanks. Then it sounds like this is 'suggestive' but a bigger list could be much more persuasive. I'd like to see data on a longer list of bellwether counties.

With 3141 in total, I think looking at the top 100 'most bellwether' could make a strong case. And I guess define 'most bellwether' as the highest count of win-predictions in the last X presidential election cycles.

Any small cherry-picked list will be attacked, and it should be.

Edit:
Then for all those counties in the 'most bellwether' list:

  • How many supposedly went this time for Biden, and for Trump?
  • Then divide that 100-county list into those in 'suspect' states, and the rest. In those two subsets, how many were for B and T?

Testable hypothesis: The bellwether-fail percent among counties in the suspect states will be much higher than the overall bellwether-fail percent.

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Opinionated_Ocelot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Damn. That's a whole lot of data that is probably scattered all over...but the result would absolutely be useful.