U.S. Justice Alito says pandemic has led to 'unimaginable' curbs on liberty
(www.reuters.com)
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If only there was some sort of court to act as a final peaceful measure against unlawful and unconstitutional curbs on liberty...
The court needs a case to rule on
If Democrat judges give Trump team just enough wins to keep it from ascending up the ladder it could certainly delay it a lot, yes.
Technically its the states that are doing this, and supreme courts in the states have been consistently ruling against them.
In WA Inslee literally argued that he can’t enforce his mandates, so its not unconstitutional.
But hes still fining businesses, so thats gotta go up the chain again. We finally have ACB in the court so its time to hear 2a cases and covid cases and all the other BS leftists have been pushing
If Loren Culp hadn't campaigned like a fucking moron he might have had a chance.
True, but our states been fucked since the 2006 case making it functionally impossible to challenge voter registration eligibility.
Homeless and illegals can register to vote. Ever wonder why the leadership puts up with these tent cities? Ive got the voter rolls but its a giant garbled text file, this weekend when I have time im gonna start digging.
Plus they go round every half way house and tell people they'll be thrown out if they dont vote!
Havent heard of that but they admit they let homeless vote without ID.
And to challenge voter residency eligibility (From rossi v gregoire, the 2006 case i mentioned earlier) you need to either
A- Know their true address, like some random poll watcher will know the true address of any ineligible people who are voting
B follow the 5 steps of
And you need to do that with every challenged voter, and you have until 45 days from the election to do it all.
No wonder WA went from a neck and neck purple state where the governors race was decided by 100 votes to a solid blue stronghold immediately after that decision.
https://open.mitchellhamline.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1245&context=wmlr
^ The part im talking about starts on page 11. Read how the court ruled on that and tell me our SC isnt fucking retarded.
“Welp, the republicans didn’t prove conclusively that the voters didnt actually live at their registered address, even though they did prove that the registered address was in fact a P.O box.”
When I tell people that they think im exaggerating. Its that unbelievable.
Which is why the "court legal remedy" to be asked for in these kinds of cases, the legal court solution is removal from Office for Violating their Oaths of Office. Just like CA Gov Gavin (Nancy's newphew, Kimberly's ex-hubby) who's been openly violating US Constitution Article 1, Section 2, Clause 4 since Jan 11th re: CA 50th Congressional District; should be removed by the Courts.
Redpill for Justice ALITO, these were not "unimaginable" curbs on Liberty, they are part and parcel, which is one key reason WHY the FOUNDERS wrote the Constitution the way they did was to STOP this kind of thing, as it repeats all through human history!
FTFY
Have a plan for all this, and it's under-budget and ahead of schedule
Help get this to PRESIDENT TRUMP:
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And Get your Republican State Legislatures to appoint their DJT/Pence Electors!
MORE WINNING AHEAD!
Always remember what happened to Europe. We are going to be there in the next couple of years
they're trying to out-virtue-signal each so hard that they're going to end up in oblivion
There just so happens to be one. It's yet another chance to hammer dick Tom Wolf. Judge william Stickmann IV already got him started...it's in the court of appeals..but right now we have some emergency cases regarding our election.
I’ve never hammer dicked someone before. Sounds fun.
SCOTUS has to hear the case
Well before with cuck Robert’s liberty was optional. Now we have a real conservative majority (hopefully).
How awful is it that you have to add that "hopefully" with a supposed 6-3 advantage? Lucy and the football. I feel you man.
Yeah, we just don't know how Kavanaugh will rule on things. We also don't know what ACB will say either but we will find out. Kavanaugh gave Roberts the blue print for the ACA decision.
Is there really no case working its way to SCOTUS?
There are several.
Because they're giant cucks who will happily watch the nation burn because "nobody asked us to fix it!"
That would require they do something. This is a signal, to Biden, that they're ready to be the counter balance. And with ACB, we have a majority without Robert's faggot ass.
Did you forget about packing the courts and rigged elections with a runoff in the same state that wants to cover up the fraud?
I feel like you're forgetting that.
They will stop at nothing to steal the senate seats in GA. If they do, goodbye america
Exactly.
We can't have a counterbalance right now.
The pendulum has swung hugely to the left. We need to push it back.
What the fuck do you think a counterbalance is and does? It swings the left back to the right.
Its a balance to the load. It keeps things where they are.
I work on machine tools and occasionally come across counterbalances.
Yeah, a pendulum is the exact opposite of a counterbalance.
If I file a lawsuit against Roberts for being a faggot cuck clown, can SCOTUS make that legal precedent?
He wants to be liked. Mark Levin talked about how Roberts wants to go to the country club and Orioles games and mingle with the beautiful people. And he leaks as well. Anything to make Roberts look good.
I'm pretty confident that if Biden won this is exactly why they'd pack the courts. It's nothing as basic as wanting to keep abortion legal or taking away guns. It's much more insidious they want to put puppets in so that big tech can completely take over, censorship will never be overruled, put people on lists and track all political dissidents, etc. Thank God for Trump he won't go down without a fight. Modern day superman fighting for us average people.
There was.
That fucking piece of shit Roberts was the tiebreaking vote upholding Gavin Newson's unconstitutional power grab in the only case on executive pandemic overreach to make it to the US Supreme Court.
Someone needs to shove that globalist cuck Roberts back up George W Bush's gaping asshole where he came from.
...and stolen elections due to massive voter fraud
Alito has always been based like Thomas.
Surprising being a Bush appointee.
Thomas or Alito? Both were, ironically.
Alito has been solid.
It's very ironic that the fate of the country, along with next presidency, may be decided by three justices appointed by Trump. And I hate that thought at the back of my head reminding me constantly, that he has a history of hiring the wrong people.
Kavanaugh already managed to fuck him once in the second emergency relief case concerning PA late ballots. Barrett also washed her hands clean of it basically, citing late arrival to the court. We can argue back and forth about it, but PA might have been already in the bag if these two had done their job.
I haven't heard about anything from Kavanagh or Barrett to do with this. Where did you hear of them having involvement?
Basically what happened is PA Supreme Court, being a joke it is, allowed dems election rule change by litigation, agreeing to late ballots being accepted without almost any verification. GOP then petitioned the SCOTUS for emergency relief injunction - to build in a protection for futher litigation (ballot separation). This was the time when SCOTUS had 8 justices. They took the case and it was 4-4 split (Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh vs lefties), so the petition was rejected.
About that time Barrett was sworn in, so GOP pushed another version of that same request through courts. Election officials seeing writing on the wall KIND OF agreed to the GOP request, and introduced voluntary measures to separate ballots (normal vs late). The case eventually reached SCOTUS again, days after Barrett was sworn in. There was still time to FORCE those rules into law, and not rely on PA election officials good will (or lack thereof).
This time Barrett decided not to take part in the case, citing late arrival. Which is very convenient explanation, but also doesn't hold water - this was simple case of emergency relief, not full actual case with months of litigation. Unfortunately Kavanaugh also joined lefties that time, so the case was 3-5. Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch dissented, stating that this still can be litigated after the elections.
The thing is, it was MUCH, MUCH easier to fix beforehand. Now it's the complete legal FUBAR, it will require HUGE, unprecedented SCOTUS decision to do the right thing here.
Sauce: https://archive.is/eH4Qk
Thanks for the explanation. I hope these "constitutionalist" judges Trump hired actually stick the the Constitution and realise the gravity of the situation for not just America but the entire world.
I'll also note that ACB could have been confirmed earlier, if Graham et al. had refused to humor the Dems or scheduled the vote for directly after the hearing. The Senate could have had her in place in time to fully hear & prepare the case.
Kavavaugh, Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch all agreed to hear the case. It was Roberts and the other three liberal justices that declined it. Without a majority of justices, the Supreme Court could not accept the case. So it had nothing to do with Kavanaugh.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/supreme-court-declines-to-block-pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-extension-430244
There were two instances of the "same" case and two different votes (4-4 and 3-5), please read my answer above.
Sauce: https://archive.is/eH4Qk
Oh, ok. I can't find anything about that second hearing. That's news to me. What was that one about?
I added source in my original comments: https://archive.is/eH4Qk
Oh, you must have edited your comment. I see it now. Thanks.
But good judges follow precedents set by the court even if they personally disagree with it.
Yeah, tell that to four left-leaning justices on the court (Breyer, Keegan, Sotomayor, Roberts).
What do we do about past precedents that were set that we know to be wrong?
Complicated business. You have to respect the court's decision in order to provide a legal environment that does not change everyday. This stability of the rules of the game is the core issue to a healthy society (business, family, etc).
So in order to reexamine a decision we must have some new information that makes the new case different enough to justify the reasoning of something different. The court should never really "break a precedent", it should look at a new case with this new information and produce a new reasoning, so a new precedent for a new "type" of case.
The difference is the following: case A gets decided 5-4; the losing side appeals; the appellation should be 9-0. Case B is set forth before the court, slightly different case, with new information; this one could be 4-5 if feels different enough; the appellation should then be 0-9.
The lawyer's job for a case C then becomes trying to convince the court by analogy which precedent is "closer": case A or B.
So a "wrong past precedent" should be defeated pointing out why it doesn't apply to the current case. It should go away naturally.
You can review a case and overturn a precedent, but that is a wasp's nest.
This is a good reply. Thank you for taking the time to respond. This is also frustrating though because respecting past precedent has us in a place where it is okay to continually infringe more and more on things that clearly shouldn't be infringed upon, like the 2nd amendment.
Alito has always been a strong judge.
Alito and Thomas are the two most conservative justices on the court, and it’s a pretty big gap between them and kavanaugh/gorsuch. It’s unlikely ACB will be as conservative, but it’s far more common for DC to turn conservatives like Roberts into cucks like Roberts. So the odds are that ACB won’t be more conservative than Alito.
Yes, we know. We've been railing about it for the better part of a year. Now, JUSTICE Alito, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?!? I'm sick and tired of people in power telling us how awful it is that our constitutional rights are being taken out back and ass blasted by a donkey dick on a daily basis. How about you use some of that authority you have to fix the problem?
And also we have to think about possible consequences of basic rights case being ruled against. What I mean by that. Conservative justices can't allow individual rights case to be accepted if they don't feel it will be ruled in favor of.
Let's say someone brings 1st amendment case citing frustration of his rights to practice his religion due to C0VID. Let's also say conservative judges vote to accept it. We have to think of consequences if that case is then ruled against. It would create legal precedent infringing constitutional right.
So, they not only have to wait until a case makes it way through courts and reach SCOTUS, but they have to feel confident about majority before they accept it.
"Complicated stuff, sorry to keep you waiting" :)
He can’t do anything until a case is brought the to SCOTUS
His ending quote is ominous and highlights the real problem that we have.
"In the end, there is only so much the judiciary can do to protect our Constitution and the Liberty it was adopted to protect. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women, when it dies there no Constitution, no law, no court can do much to help it. For all Americans, that are standing up for our Constitution and our Freedom is work that lies ahead. It will not be easy work."
No shit
Somehow I found it interesting he mentioned these cardboard people in the baseball stands.
My alma mater has this promotion where you can buy a cardboard version of yourself in the stadium to 'root' for our football team. Between that and their BLM posturing they've lost my support for life.
When I lived at my parents they would still get calls from Berkeley asking for donations. (My sister's alma mater) I would politely say "well I'd hate to admit this, but we inherited several million dollars and we were on the verge of making a huge donation to your program. But since the antifa riots that banned milo and others on campus I can't stand to see the university tolerate that and I definetly won't fund it, but you sound like a nice person, make sure your higher ups know why they missed out on a 6 figure donation.
Thomas and Alito have always been in the same tier of Scalia. Scalia was more more of an extrovert and was more popular because of that. In terms of rulings and opinions Thomas and Alito have both been outstanding.
Right after you take the oath, you are off to CBRNE classes/testing.
They don't want anyone that isn't willing to suspend the Constitution during a Chemical-Biological-Radiation-Nuclear-Explosives "event".
Communists/Deep State : "How to we take control without firing a shot?"
Invent a national disaster and use CBRNE as the guidebook.
If he allows Biden to defraud the election, we're going to probably see a lot more.
Lets hope the courts are willing to take some heat, be constitutionalists, and not pushovers. The biggest risk is ACB, and I have to agree with Barnes. I'm not saying she's a bad person or judge or weak, but there were stronger candidates, and I'm not a fan if picking a woman just because she's a woman. I hope my slight hesitations about her are quickly disproven.
Same. That was my exact concern too. I'd seen a number of people on here say that ACB has a past of not ruling against BS lockdowns/masks/whatever and I don't like where that's headed.
ALL of this needs to end. Mandatory masks in colleges/schools are BS because we're at such a low risk, and yet EVERY college has a mandate in place unless they're entirely online. I can't even use the free market at this point to transfer to a different university because they're ALL doing woke-olympics and competing to see who can be more restrictive and/or creatively restrictive.
I honestly don't think it's gonna end until they've forced us to take the mark of the Beast at this rate.
This will be the ultimate test. She should be impeached is she is found to be incompetent on this ruling.
Liberals will now say he must recuse himself
Then we'll accuse them of being anit-Italian. ;-)
Alito is a based Italian, like Mike Pompeo
I won't lie I have zero faith that these Scotus minus alito and Clarence will do their job based on the constitution.
I just do not trust them to carry and stay true to their oath. This is a clear cut case so I hope I'm proven wrong cause the alternative will be ugly and requires lots of trees and ropes and guns.
Now that we have 5 real conservatives maybe we can actually get some rulings against the lockdowns. If Slow Joe manages to limp over the finish line, the court may rule against his unconstitutional mask mandates
At least dubya got one Justice right.
Based Sam Alito!
Smart and respected
Based Italian-American Justice Pede...
Wasn't that the intent?
Alito being more publicly based than our Trump judges...
Based Alito. Now fix it.
You mean like the liberty of a free and fair election?
Oh? You just noticed this now? Well that's special. I mean. You could have spoken up about 8 months ago, but cool.
if you mean pandemic=democrats, I agree.
God bless the man
I'm so happy the SCOTUS is majority based now. I look forward to Breyer and Sotomayor being replaced by textualists ASAP.
Then fucking do something!!!!
He can't yet. The SCOTUS has no power until a case is brought before them.
Now he decides to chime in? where has this been for months?
Damn right. Old people in their last year of life left to die alone.
The enemy media octopus has started a campaign against Alito about this speech. He advocates for the protection of rights, and they describe that as “caustic,” “dark,” “partisan,” and “foreboding.” Fucking scum of the earth.
Alito was the one good thing to come from the GWB presidency.
Why can't he be our Chief justice?
It needs to stop.
Truth! Another attempt to ruin the American people to gain the advantage! I will always say that this was the demonrats play! Notice how none of them became ill! Why isn’t the CIA investigating this? Because the CIA is dangerously corrupt
The group Make Americans Free again is fighting Ohio right now and will take it to Supreme Court.
Make Americans Free Again
Thanks for sharing this! I had no idea anything was being done, let alone in my state.
Cuomo is limiting private residents to 10 guests a house hold. You can not tell me how many people I am allowed to have at my own house
I'm sorry, did you think you didn't have to listen to your state dictator? He owns you, your house, and everyone else's. Now kneel.
Thanks for noticing.
They’re not even hiding it or trying to. Driving to work today in Michigan there was an ad saying “to get our freedoms back, we need to wear masks.”
No Shit Sherlock !! It's almost like we seen the end of individual liberty all in one shot. Kyle arrested for defending for terrorists, people being arrested for the right of walking in public, digital timesquare does not guarantee free speech ... It kinda feels like the end of times. Metaphorically, I think it is.
That is good news because the 3 Trump Justices, Clarence Thomas and Alito are the 5/4 we need to side with us. Fuck John Roberts.
Does the president have the power to make it unlawful to mandate masks? I know it's been up to local authorities, but if it is unconstitutional, can't he get involved? Why can't stores just have a sign that says masks are optional here?
Damn alito the new scalia?
Why can't he be our Chief justice?
Ya think??? What the heck is wrong with this country. You handed over the country to Drunk politicians.