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2ASingleIssueVoter 8 points ago +9 / -1

There were two instances of the "same" case and two different votes (4-4 and 3-5), please read my answer above.

Sauce: https://archive.is/eH4Qk

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oxygen 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh, ok. I can't find anything about that second hearing. That's news to me. What was that one about?

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2ASingleIssueVoter 4 points ago +5 / -1

I added source in my original comments: https://archive.is/eH4Qk

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oxygen 4 points ago +4 / -0

Oh, you must have edited your comment. I see it now. Thanks.

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jealousminarchist 2 points ago +2 / -0

But good judges follow precedents set by the court even if they personally disagree with it.

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2ASingleIssueVoter 4 points ago +5 / -1

Yeah, tell that to four left-leaning justices on the court (Breyer, Keegan, Sotomayor, Roberts).

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SludgeWarehouse 3 points ago +3 / -0

What do we do about past precedents that were set that we know to be wrong?

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jealousminarchist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Complicated business. You have to respect the court's decision in order to provide a legal environment that does not change everyday. This stability of the rules of the game is the core issue to a healthy society (business, family, etc).

So in order to reexamine a decision we must have some new information that makes the new case different enough to justify the reasoning of something different. The court should never really "break a precedent", it should look at a new case with this new information and produce a new reasoning, so a new precedent for a new "type" of case.

The difference is the following: case A gets decided 5-4; the losing side appeals; the appellation should be 9-0. Case B is set forth before the court, slightly different case, with new information; this one could be 4-5 if feels different enough; the appellation should then be 0-9.

The lawyer's job for a case C then becomes trying to convince the court by analogy which precedent is "closer": case A or B.

So a "wrong past precedent" should be defeated pointing out why it doesn't apply to the current case. It should go away naturally.

You can review a case and overturn a precedent, but that is a wasp's nest.

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SludgeWarehouse 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is a good reply. Thank you for taking the time to respond. This is also frustrating though because respecting past precedent has us in a place where it is okay to continually infringe more and more on things that clearly shouldn't be infringed upon, like the 2nd amendment.