I keep hearing people saying we have just a little bit of time but isn't the point of this to drag it out to the point where they can't send electors to the EC and instead put it through state legislatures to each send one representative to vote? There are WAY more red states then blue and purple combined
No, because we can't trust House Republicans as much as we would like. Running out the clock is a last resort—what we really want is to get audits, recounts, and votes overturned.
Why do we have a short time? We got a short time to win the states out right. But if its all tied up in litigation come Dec 12th, those electoral votes arent going to uncle creepy.
Can you depend on judges to put on a hold on the certification of the electoral votes? I think once they are certified it is over. I don't think the states will uncertify.
I don't think that 'doubt of fraud' is a legally defined thing that can stop the normal process. I think a Judge must stop the certification. I think we are going to win this, but it isn't easy.
That's a good plan, unfortunately, I don't have much faith in Republicans. Seems like Trump and a few others are the only ones that have balls. I can just see the Republicans that allocate the electors being terrified of the backlash and just wanting to go along with the media narrative and flow.
People keep saying that, but they do understand Trump's POWER. If they do not do their job then they will be out on their asses. If they want to climb the ladder, what better time than when you have a political figure who just got 72 million votes. The truth is people who say that probably do not know any of these State Legislatures. Most state legislatures are more conservative than their DC counterparts, they get to DC and get Swmapified.
They are calling for audits, lets give them a chance without doubting them all. They probably hate the Dem party like we do.
I sure hope so. I am die hard MAGA and am fully prepared for “box 4” if POTUS calls us. The GOP and lack of support from every angle (especially the three letter agencies) is what gives me most concern.
WTF. is that the same case we watched the other day? how is that possible the dems lawers only talked about nothing and trumps showed clearly that was the law.
Couple points for clarity. This was just a denial for injunctive relief, it has a high standard. What is laughable however is the judge essentially said because Republicans did not attend pre-canvassing inspections they can't allege any crimes.
That's like saying because a person didn't buy insurance for their valuables they can't file a criminal complaint for them being stolen
So he's saying the Republican poll watchers didn't attend the walk through on oct 29th and therefore didn't understand the process?
My question is, during this walk through, did they go over the fact that all Republican poll watchers would be thrown out and/or prohibited from getting close enough to see?
Was covering the windows with cardboard included in this walk through?
What about the proper procedure for wheeling in ballots at 4 am on a little red wagon?
Why do we care about the opinion of a judge from a tier 2 law school in Minnesota who couldn't get into private practice and was an assistant trial attorney for 20 years?
They didn't go through the walkthrough beforehand on a weekday so therefore their testimonies are invalid. He must have been the bottom of his class in law school, if that is the best argument he could come up with.
I'm assuming they chose that day for the walk-through because they knew the Republicans would be working. The democrats in Detroit only have to worry about which day they pick up their welfare check.
So how do we get this to SCOTUS?
Its clear the state judges aren't going to do shit
That's why this goes to Federal court in MI where most of the judges are Republican.
We only have a short time. What is going to stop these State Judges from delaying to run the clock out?
The reason the requests have been ridiculous (1.5 mm votes in PA) is to get kicked out of the state and into federal courts as soon as possible.
I keep hearing people saying we have just a little bit of time but isn't the point of this to drag it out to the point where they can't send electors to the EC and instead put it through state legislatures to each send one representative to vote? There are WAY more red states then blue and purple combined
I think the decision of whether the court case justifies a hold on the certification is up to a judge. Are you willing to take that risk?
I think there is great time pressure.
No, because we can't trust House Republicans as much as we would like. Running out the clock is a last resort—what we really want is to get audits, recounts, and votes overturned.
Why do we have a short time? We got a short time to win the states out right. But if its all tied up in litigation come Dec 12th, those electoral votes arent going to uncle creepy.
Can you depend on judges to put on a hold on the certification of the electoral votes? I think once they are certified it is over. I don't think the states will uncertify.
They cant certify for Biden if there's doubt of fraud.
I don't think that 'doubt of fraud' is a legally defined thing that can stop the normal process. I think a Judge must stop the certification. I think we are going to win this, but it isn't easy.
The state legislsture are the ones that can decide not to send electors.
The judiciary are the ones that can deem which votes are or arent valid.
I think we can win as well. Going to take a GOP backbone to pull it off though.
The Republicans do not have to allocate the Electors as Dems, they can just say, hey Judge, you want to play games, we will name Republican Electors.
That's a good plan, unfortunately, I don't have much faith in Republicans. Seems like Trump and a few others are the only ones that have balls. I can just see the Republicans that allocate the electors being terrified of the backlash and just wanting to go along with the media narrative and flow.
They won’t do that they’re too weak.
People keep saying that, but they do understand Trump's POWER. If they do not do their job then they will be out on their asses. If they want to climb the ladder, what better time than when you have a political figure who just got 72 million votes. The truth is people who say that probably do not know any of these State Legislatures. Most state legislatures are more conservative than their DC counterparts, they get to DC and get Swmapified.
They are calling for audits, lets give them a chance without doubting them all. They probably hate the Dem party like we do.
I sure hope so. I am die hard MAGA and am fully prepared for “box 4” if POTUS calls us. The GOP and lack of support from every angle (especially the three letter agencies) is what gives me most concern.
There is a parallel case in Federal court.
WTF. is that the same case we watched the other day? how is that possible the dems lawers only talked about nothing and trumps showed clearly that was the law.
Couple points for clarity. This was just a denial for injunctive relief, it has a high standard. What is laughable however is the judge essentially said because Republicans did not attend pre-canvassing inspections they can't allege any crimes.
That's like saying because a person didn't buy insurance for their valuables they can't file a criminal complaint for them being stolen
why did Republicans not go to pre-canvassing? does anyone know? and yes that is a retarded resin.
So he's saying the Republican poll watchers didn't attend the walk through on oct 29th and therefore didn't understand the process?
My question is, during this walk through, did they go over the fact that all Republican poll watchers would be thrown out and/or prohibited from getting close enough to see?
Was covering the windows with cardboard included in this walk through?
What about the proper procedure for wheeling in ballots at 4 am on a little red wagon?
Why do we care about the opinion of a judge from a tier 2 law school in Minnesota who couldn't get into private practice and was an assistant trial attorney for 20 years?
They didn't go through the walkthrough beforehand on a weekday so therefore their testimonies are invalid. He must have been the bottom of his class in law school, if that is the best argument he could come up with.
I'm assuming they chose that day for the walk-through because they knew the Republicans would be working. The democrats in Detroit only have to worry about which day they pick up their welfare check.
Either way, it was going to be appealed. On to step 2.
We gotta hang these fucking activist judges
We watched these arguments live. This Judge had already made up his mind before the zoom call started, it was apparent.