I just bought the King James Bible and I am having trouble getting through Genesis page 1. But my view of God is not defined by a book. For me God is Lord, and Jesus was a great man and son of God like every one of us.
Jesus is THE Son of God. Wait til you get to the end of the book when Jesus lays out the whole NWO plan and how he's going to destroy it. I also read the KJV. Just keep reading is all I can say. The bible comes alive.
Yeah I'd say start with the NT. The OT is hard to understand without knowing Jesus and God's plan for salvation through Jesus the Messiah. Even Genesis will make sense when God said "Let us make man in our image". The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is all explained in the NT.
Get an NASB or NKJV or ESV if you're a confident reader, NIV if you're average, or CSB if you struggle with books. The best translation is the one you actually read, although if you are a really strong reader, 'formal equivalence' translations are best.
Read Genesis until Adam and Eve leave the garden.
Skip the rest and read the Gospels, or even just Mark or Luke, as they were written for unbelievers.
Then skip to Rev 22 on the last page to see what God has planned in the end.
Now you know how we cocked it all up, how God fixed it and saved you, and how it will all end.
It is hard for me to get past the "then God made the stars and the Sun" stuff. It's a childlike view of things with modern knowledge. But I am planning on dedicating some time this next week, hopefully I will get traction.
Maybe He set up physical laws with the express purpose of harboring life (see: arguments from fine tuning; there are loads of physical constants that only need to be tweaked by a fraction and you end up with just a mess of subatomic particles).
Personally, I'm an automation engineer (and former inorganic chemist) and think the universe is something like His software simulation. When you play any computer game with a procedurally generated world, things are created in categories in a way that is optimal for the creator, not in sequential, time bound order that obeys the created world's internal laws.
In my day job, I regularly take control systems that follow perfectly repeatable logic and insert live values that cause them to 'jump' to a different state (e.g. after a mechanical failure, when a control system is stuck in a catch 22). If you 'lived' inside my PLCs you could extrapolate backwards in time (or scan count) to past states 100% rationally and precisely...and wrongly.
Basically, you will end up with a Bible that is as silly as you want it to be if you decide in advance that it's dumb and you're going to assume the author was stupid. That's how books work.
I was an atheist at one point, for me the Gospels were the works that changed my mind.
As a trump supporter that found out about this site through reddit/media censorship, do you guys not accept an atheist like myself? I'm seeing a lot of posts like this, just wondering
You know people who are true believers will never hold it against you because we know you'll eventually find out what we already have. And no I cannot prove that or anything it is simply just my faith.
And yes I have gone through a long period in my life I thought I was athiest as well. So I would never think less of someone who denies the existence of God.
Even as an agnostic I cannot ignore: the moral vacuum that receding christianity left in the States was filled with sinister leftist ideologies. No one can deny the rapid moral decay on all levels of society. Christianity was a ward against that.
I to classify myself as agnostic and this is precisely what I also think. Socialism/Marxism/Communism just replaces God with the ideology of the State as the Godhead. That's why their first actions are to tear down the prevailing religion of the culture they are infesting.
US atheists are pretty insufferable as a group, overseas ones aren't (all) so bad - several Eastern Europe countries went very atheist in wake of communism but the people there still hate commies and are pretty based otherwise, if pessimistic in some places.
I've always been treated well by the Christians in my life even if they disagreed with me, they've always been polite but honest. I prefer that to fake niceness and acceptance anyhow.
Leftist atheists tend to dogmatically worship the state. Moral decay is a tool of the globalists, it isn't just that it's filling the vacuum left by Christianity, there are motives for them to push this decay on society - single, unhappy people spend much more than married, happy couples and consume more media, are more likely to be dosed up on antidepressants (which kill your libido, man or woman), are more willing to vote and push for the society to live in to be changed.
I used to be atheist, now I’m agnostic but I believe Christianity is one of the most important parts of our culture. I believe in a god, more of a deus ex machina type god though. More of a leviathan intelligence that feels nothing
I agree with alot of your sentiment. And I won't downvote you even though I kinda disagree with your generalizations. I am a god fearing went to church every week kind of man. I've met alot of "Christians" who cannot tell the difference between God and the state either. I guess it doesn't matter how you classify your faith as much as how you adhere to it.
Oh there definitely is a lot of rot in the church, it's why my grandparents left, and looking at the Vatican you can see some of it comes from the top too, but when I say the Christians in my life I guess I should add I don't waste my time keeping assholes in my life.
But I've definitely found US atheists as a group a degree more insufferable than overseas, they tend to replace the more dogmatic aspects of US Christianity with other dogma. It's definitely not all, I'm friends with enough, but the tendency seems a bit bigger to me with them.
Have you ever thought looking into to life and teachings of our Lord? I'm not saying run and join a church you're not familiar with. But have you tried to speak to the father in prayer and believed that he's actually listening to you,? It feels so free
As long as you respect my right to have faith, I have no problem with your beliefs. Well, so long as you’re not a satanic pedophile, I think you’ll do fine here.
Not at all, Brother! In fact, you are most welcome on posts like this for your perspective. Keep us lofty idealists grounded in reality, as it were. Bless you and welcome!
As a trump supporter that found out about this site through reddit/media censorship, do you guys not accept an atheist like myself? I'm seeing a lot of posts like this, just wondering
I am an Asatru pagan, and have never had any issues here. This board is heavy with semi-fundamentalist Christians, but that's certainly their business and none of mine. There's no religious test to be a Trump MAGA supporter.
Both of these things made America and Dems hate both. Therefore, mathematically speaking, Democrats are not Americans. Dementia Joe, the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you.
I've been reading revelations and trying to make sense of it. A really good youtube channel God Guns & Family is going over it and no he's not some kind of david koresh or something he seems like a really cool preacher in Missouri who likes to talk about guns too not just Jesus. It's worth watching especially if your churches are closed.
dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell these communist monsters that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM! Trump2020, the true POTUS
That's why we bought a pump action, an AR, and two glocks! As soon as we heard them talking about invading the suburbs we uh... pulled the trigger so to speak.
Posts like this are pretty cringe but that's why i love them. I usually assume that the OP is self aware enough to know it's ridiculous. And if not, even funnier. Kind of like those big Trump flags with Trump on a train with an eagle and guns and stuff. It's super dank, and it makes lefties mad, which is hilarious. But when people take it seriously.... all i can do is laugh.
only thing missing is the US Constitution pocket book!
If Joe Biden gets into office, then the US Constitution no longer protects us.
No. We protect it.
We all recognize the Bible, of course. But what can you tell us about the gun?
Looks like a Beretta
Beretta PX4 Storm
Baretta PX4 Storm. I own one but it uses .40 cal. That looks like a 9mm version, which is more popular for some reason.
9 mm to small
And bullets with "I voted!" on them.
"Die, Commie!" would be on my bullets
Don't forget the farmers almanac. I sew em God grows em! Seeds and anti seeds.
Jesus is LORD!
I'm not religious, fellow Pede, but I will always defend your right to choose and practice your religion.
Don't like the explodey one in America tho.
Or scientology. They need that tax exempt status ripped away
Do non-profits first, thats where the big scams happen. 90% of them are corrupt.
Edit: maybe not 90% "corrupt", but 90% are either corrupt, scammy, shady or useless.
The explodey one's book is not just a religion, it's also a political manifesto.
We have the best non-religious Pedes, do we not? THIS is actual tolerance. Not the soft tyranny of permissive degeneracy.
Same here friend. Not for me to say what people can and can't believe. My parents taught me that for which I am eternally thankful.
Amen, my pede brother. But do we extend that same curtesy to radical Muslims?
No, radical/violent religions are not compatible with Western society.
Amen brother.
I just bought the King James Bible and I am having trouble getting through Genesis page 1. But my view of God is not defined by a book. For me God is Lord, and Jesus was a great man and son of God like every one of us.
Jesus is THE Son of God. Wait til you get to the end of the book when Jesus lays out the whole NWO plan and how he's going to destroy it. I also read the KJV. Just keep reading is all I can say. The bible comes alive.
I have some free time next week, I'll crack it open and start pushing through.
I started with the New Testament. So when I went through the OT I saw Jesus throughout it. All the prophesies.
Wait, is there an order I should be taking? If so please provide some insight so I can get the best experience possible.
Yeah I'd say start with the NT. The OT is hard to understand without knowing Jesus and God's plan for salvation through Jesus the Messiah. Even Genesis will make sense when God said "Let us make man in our image". The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is all explained in the NT.
thanks.
Machete order for the Bible... only this timeline
Suggestion:
Get an NASB or NKJV or ESV if you're a confident reader, NIV if you're average, or CSB if you struggle with books. The best translation is the one you actually read, although if you are a really strong reader, 'formal equivalence' translations are best.
Read Genesis until Adam and Eve leave the garden.
Skip the rest and read the Gospels, or even just Mark or Luke, as they were written for unbelievers.
Then skip to Rev 22 on the last page to see what God has planned in the end.
Now you know how we cocked it all up, how God fixed it and saved you, and how it will all end.
Then go and read it all through.
It is hard for me to get past the "then God made the stars and the Sun" stuff. It's a childlike view of things with modern knowledge. But I am planning on dedicating some time this next week, hopefully I will get traction.
It's not, really. There are 101 defensible forms.
Maybe He set up physical laws with the express purpose of harboring life (see: arguments from fine tuning; there are loads of physical constants that only need to be tweaked by a fraction and you end up with just a mess of subatomic particles).
Personally, I'm an automation engineer (and former inorganic chemist) and think the universe is something like His software simulation. When you play any computer game with a procedurally generated world, things are created in categories in a way that is optimal for the creator, not in sequential, time bound order that obeys the created world's internal laws.
In my day job, I regularly take control systems that follow perfectly repeatable logic and insert live values that cause them to 'jump' to a different state (e.g. after a mechanical failure, when a control system is stuck in a catch 22). If you 'lived' inside my PLCs you could extrapolate backwards in time (or scan count) to past states 100% rationally and precisely...and wrongly.
Basically, you will end up with a Bible that is as silly as you want it to be if you decide in advance that it's dumb and you're going to assume the author was stupid. That's how books work.
I was an atheist at one point, for me the Gospels were the works that changed my mind.
Read The American Standard. That seems to be the most accurate to what was in the torah. At least that's what I remember, but I could be wrong.
I'll check it out. Thanks!
As a trump supporter that found out about this site through reddit/media censorship, do you guys not accept an atheist like myself? I'm seeing a lot of posts like this, just wondering
Love you guys!
You know people who are true believers will never hold it against you because we know you'll eventually find out what we already have. And no I cannot prove that or anything it is simply just my faith.
And yes I have gone through a long period in my life I thought I was athiest as well. So I would never think less of someone who denies the existence of God.
Thank you brother!
Even as an agnostic I cannot ignore: the moral vacuum that receding christianity left in the States was filled with sinister leftist ideologies. No one can deny the rapid moral decay on all levels of society. Christianity was a ward against that.
I to classify myself as agnostic and this is precisely what I also think. Socialism/Marxism/Communism just replaces God with the ideology of the State as the Godhead. That's why their first actions are to tear down the prevailing religion of the culture they are infesting.
US atheists are pretty insufferable as a group, overseas ones aren't (all) so bad - several Eastern Europe countries went very atheist in wake of communism but the people there still hate commies and are pretty based otherwise, if pessimistic in some places.
I've always been treated well by the Christians in my life even if they disagreed with me, they've always been polite but honest. I prefer that to fake niceness and acceptance anyhow.
Leftist atheists tend to dogmatically worship the state. Moral decay is a tool of the globalists, it isn't just that it's filling the vacuum left by Christianity, there are motives for them to push this decay on society - single, unhappy people spend much more than married, happy couples and consume more media, are more likely to be dosed up on antidepressants (which kill your libido, man or woman), are more willing to vote and push for the society to live in to be changed.
I used to be atheist, now I’m agnostic but I believe Christianity is one of the most important parts of our culture. I believe in a god, more of a deus ex machina type god though. More of a leviathan intelligence that feels nothing
I agree with alot of your sentiment. And I won't downvote you even though I kinda disagree with your generalizations. I am a god fearing went to church every week kind of man. I've met alot of "Christians" who cannot tell the difference between God and the state either. I guess it doesn't matter how you classify your faith as much as how you adhere to it.
Oh there definitely is a lot of rot in the church, it's why my grandparents left, and looking at the Vatican you can see some of it comes from the top too, but when I say the Christians in my life I guess I should add I don't waste my time keeping assholes in my life.
But I've definitely found US atheists as a group a degree more insufferable than overseas, they tend to replace the more dogmatic aspects of US Christianity with other dogma. It's definitely not all, I'm friends with enough, but the tendency seems a bit bigger to me with them.
Have you ever thought looking into to life and teachings of our Lord? I'm not saying run and join a church you're not familiar with. But have you tried to speak to the father in prayer and believed that he's actually listening to you,? It feels so free
As long as you respect my right to have faith, I have no problem with your beliefs. Well, so long as you’re not a satanic pedophile, I think you’ll do fine here.
Of course man, I respect all beliefs. And you don't need to worry about that! :)
Not at all, Brother! In fact, you are most welcome on posts like this for your perspective. Keep us lofty idealists grounded in reality, as it were. Bless you and welcome!
Right on brother, bless you as well!
I am an Asatru pagan, and have never had any issues here. This board is heavy with semi-fundamentalist Christians, but that's certainly their business and none of mine. There's no religious test to be a Trump MAGA supporter.
God, Liberty, and Guns🇺🇸
You through away any one of those and America is screwed, no compromising on the three
the perfect picture to describe .win
Obama said you people cling to your Bible and guns. No shit moron. We protect what's ours and what's right.
He says it as if it's a bad thing. That alone tells you everything you need to know about him.
Better than clinging to your wife's large swinging penis - but hey that's just me!
It's far from just you.....
A gun and a bible go together like peanut butter and jelly. It just seems right.
One frees the soul, the other frees the body.
Bitter clinger and I approve this message.
you just need the constitution and you are all set forever
Both of these things made America and Dems hate both. Therefore, mathematically speaking, Democrats are not Americans. Dementia Joe, the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you.
Imagine if everyone loved our country even people who want to improve it 😕
Upvote for px4
I've been reading revelations and trying to make sense of it. A really good youtube channel God Guns & Family is going over it and no he's not some kind of david koresh or something he seems like a really cool preacher in Missouri who likes to talk about guns too not just Jesus. It's worth watching especially if your churches are closed.
🎶a few of my favorite things🎶
I wish I could upvote that more!
dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell these communist monsters that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM! Trump2020, the true POTUS
The Commies waited for the right time to strike back... Here we go pede's... Lest we forgot? I haven't forgotten!
the calm before the px storm
Gonna need a rifle too.
That's why we bought a pump action, an AR, and two glocks! As soon as we heard them talking about invading the suburbs we uh... pulled the trigger so to speak.
Oh man, that’s the pistol I want. Nice Beretta.
the Bible always said a holy war was necessary!
of course, it's just prudent
we can't expect God to do all the work
Rapture soon, so don't matter, nothing in this world matters anymore.
The seals are being opened my friend
Amen Brother
-Rapture Incoming- -Hold The Line-
When did you become convinced about it?
By our Lord, I feel so much holy spirit in me and it grows by the day. I have prayed and he is answering. Rapture is coming.
Do you have any ideas on when and when did this get revealed to you?
Beretta Nintey-Two
Heck yeah absurdly accurate px4
Indeed
Px4 Storm.... respect
God, Guns and Guts Made America Great
https://lbry.tv/@TRUMP2020:2/MUST-WATCH!!--%E2%80%9CThe-Real-Reason-They-Hate-Trump%E2%80%9D-Michael-Matt-Remnant-TV:7
You bet.
Ahhhh Yes...
Posts like this are pretty cringe but that's why i love them. I usually assume that the OP is self aware enough to know it's ridiculous. And if not, even funnier. Kind of like those big Trump flags with Trump on a train with an eagle and guns and stuff. It's super dank, and it makes lefties mad, which is hilarious. But when people take it seriously.... all i can do is laugh.
The cringe you feel is the soap scum left after many years of passive absorbance of brainwash. This is how American really talk and see the world
nice to have? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiHpYZen-oY
Don't forget your egg
Just don't drop the egg where you don't want yolk splattering all over
I'm so jealous of Americans. I'd give my left nut to be able to buy guns in the UK.
Just missing the gold... hoping that's on deck in Trump's 2nd term.
The Fed would no longer be able to print endless currency to keep us enslaved.
Damn right. God bless the USA
We're all in this together . . .
That's like $239 in ammo you got there!!!
Not gonna lie, at a certain angle, the thumbnail looks like an eagle flying!!
Why did the pilot in Mandalorion say "but these are trying times"
I might be paranoid, but I definitely heard that as well.
Ah yes the px4 and HB1611 nice combo
Sad that isn't in God's caliber
...and BBQ! God Bless America! 🇺🇸
A storm for the storm. Nice.
IF it isnt .45 cal it is not america. you should have put a M1911a3 or something along that line, America bitches Merciaaaa!
Sight in today. 1000’s attended this weekend.