Look fat, you mean to tell me you don't find the US having a higher turnout than countries with mandatory voting punishable by law do as being weird? C'MON MAN.
They were planning their fraud for prior turnout numbers. Trump supporters overwhelmed the polls and then the Dems had to stop the count and start creating fake ballots and up their cheating game.
Ouch thats a classic sign of election fraud, excessive voter turnout particularly in comparison to prior elections.
Even Australia, which has fines for not voting (for quite a long time so everyone is aware) only has ~91% participation.
And mail-in voting DOES NOT increase the turnout, even in Australia.
My Australian state just held local government elections with only mail-in voting, no in-person options. Even under penalty of fines for failure to vote, turnout was only 68%-87%, depending on electorate.
Edit: also there were ballots freaking everywhere. Blowing around in the streets, presumably having escaped letterboxes or been discarded. I could have easily harvested enough ballots to swing my local election, if I was so inclined.
You can believe 70% of registered voters voted, because of Covid propaganda and the really hard push to mail everyone ballots.
Voter turnout increasing this much is unheard off and very suspect. As this post highlights, nearly everyone who was registered to vote In 2016 (but only 59% did) had to have voted.
One small comment, the bottom numbers are turnout in relation to entire population, the 98% is in relation to REGISTERED VOTERS. Average US REGISTERED voter turnout is around 80-90% In 2016 it was around mid 80s in percent of REGISTERED voters.
A red tsunami. Anything less than complete control for us would be a gift for the other side in honesty. They’d still be getting away with a lot of they kept the house.
Important disclaimer: This is assuming all of Trump's votes are legitimate (not saying they are but they have a much higher chance of all being valid than Biden's at this point).
Trump's 73,124,741 votes is approximately 47.3% of the total estimate registered voters. Now there could be some fuckery going on with the voting giving him a higher total than normal but it honestly seems like a pretty solid number beating Obama's record turnout by a few million (which is plausible imo).
Now, the turnout between 2012 and 2016 was a sizable increase of 4.3%. I'm going to take that, double it and add it to 2016's turnout to take us to a whopping 67.8% turnout. I'm not sure what the previous record for turnout is but, as you can see in the image above, 67.8% blows away the previous 20 years.
So we take our turnout percentage and apply that to the estimate registered voter total and get 104,814,732 million people who actually voted. Again, this is some serious turnout. This is nearly one third of the entire country! So we subtract this number from Trump's total and get a measly 31,689,991 for Biden. Now, obviously I'm leaving some things out here like 3rd party candidates, write-ins, etc but so is OP and this comment is going on long enough.
tl;dr: If Trump's numbers are true and we use a totally arbitrary but more realistic (if not very optimistic) voter turnout percentage it's basically a 2:1 landslide.
This is compelling but probably overstated because about 42 million (18%) didn’t answer if they were registered or not. (Cell I8 in Table 2 from the Census site.)
Some of them are likely to be registered.
Yeah I agree. In 2016 about 129m ppl voted. In the graphic above it said voter turnout for 2016 was about 60%. 129m would be 60% of 215m. He’s using different denominators. This is pretty misleading. I would look like a dickhead if tried to use this in an argument.
Per the first source below, there are 213,799,467 registered voters as of 2020. (The data is listed by state. I had to plug it into excel to get the total number).
That would put us at a turnout of ... 71%. Still an insanely high number.
However, I can verify that OP's 2018 numbers are correct. Per my second source below, "In 2018, there were 153.07 million people registered to vote in the United States. Although this was an increase from 1996, when 127.66 million people were registered to vote, it’s lower than the peak of 157.6 million registered voters in 2016. "
What's jumping out at me here isn't the voter turnout numbers. It's the huge jump in registered voters from 2016 to 2020. 56.2 million more people registered in 2020 from 2016.
I'm not sure what to make of this. People who normally don't vote don't enthusiastically register to vote for a milk-toast candidate like Biden.
I never registered or voted in my life prior to this election. I enthusiastically registered to vote for the best President in America's history, and I'm sure many others did the same.
Biden's numbers don't make sense from so many perspectives. I am confident Trump will pull through in the coming days.
Even though I screwed up the data, you bring up the point I was trying to understand. How did a senile lifetime politician garner such record breaking support? He didn't.
It's still generating good conversation in this thread. Thanks for your observations.
You were trying to extrapolate the number of registered voters using reasonable methods. Nothing wrong with that. I looked at this same data in the days after the election, before all the votes were counted. I didn't make the association then as I am now of how many people registered to vote between 2018 and 2020. Insane numbers.
There isn't a direct correlation, but it's the easiest number to apply to account for an increase in voters.
I probably should have added a factor for "ALL" the orange man bad voters that the left will suggest registered. However, one could argue there was little enthusiasm for sleepy Joe and extreme enthusiasm for POTUS.
Regardless, the current vote count is completely unreasonable.
Thats what I was saying with the fact check of the "voter turnout was higher than registered voters".... Even if what they said was true about the voter roll not being up to date that's still 90+% turnout which is suspicious as fuck.
Whenever I try to bring up the crazy high voter turnout... I’ve been told by lib friends that the voter turnout % is not calculated based on the total number of registered voters, but on the total number of voting age population (some of whom may not be registered to vote)
I just don’t know what the definitive answer is. I swear I’m not a concern troll! I believe there was all kinds of fraud and in this election... but this the excuse I get whenever I try to bring this up.
And 98% is absolutely nuts! So even if it were based on voting age population would it still be in the high 80s? Which would also be statistically really unusual.
The number for voting age eligible people is considerably higher than registered voters. I don't see how it could be a better indicator because if you aren't registered, you can't vote.
Yes, but that makes the voter turnout % lower than if it was based on registered voters. And I just don’t know if there is any official way to calculate this.
I mean... what I keep getting told is that calculating the voter turnout % based on register voter is not how it’s done. It’s based on voting age population. And I don’t know what the correct answer is. And I suspect it may be out of line with past elections even if it is to be calculated on voting age population.
I think there's one issue that will be challenged with this by lefties.
The Wiki source quotes the turnout percents and it uses "Voting Eligible Population (VEP)", which is everyone over the age of 18 in the US.
He/She's then taking that VEP % and comparing it to registered voters %, which is obviously a much smaller %. For example WIKI's showing a VEP of 239M in the US for 2020 compared to the 154M registered voters number being used in the 98.25% calculation.
It's still very good data to have, but be careful in comparing two different datasets.
For accuracy the % compared to the bottom 2004, 2008, 2012, & 2016 would be 63.6% of VEP's voting in 2020.
My opinion is that the turnout % compared to actual registered voters is an excellent thing to look at. It may be 100% accurate that we're showing a near 100% voter turnout this year. However, it would also imply we had a near 90% turnout in 2016, which would also indicate a good chance of fraud occurring back then.
adding more to my comment. I think the better red pill would be to use the table 2 US census data from 2018 like you did and increase it with the growth numbers to get a total estimate for 2020. Then use the total numbers voted in the US.
Just simply showing a near 100% estimated voter turnout is VERY powerful red pill.
I just sent it to one of my normie friends who refuses to believe in corruption and he's seriously doing the WTF WTF, these numbers can't be real. Showed him the source and he's slowly swallowing the pill.
Seems legit... It really helps when you have counties that are reporting over 100% turnout.
The voter turnout would not jump 39% in a 4 year election cycle. Beyond improbable, in fact I'd say it's down right impossible.
It simply didn't happen. There's no such thing as a 98% voter turn out in the US and Biden didn't have the enthusiasm to achieve half that
Look fat, you mean to tell me you don't find the US having a higher turnout than countries with mandatory voting punishable by law do as being weird? C'MON MAN.
They were planning their fraud for prior turnout numbers. Trump supporters overwhelmed the polls and then the Dems had to stop the count and start creating fake ballots and up their cheating game.
Uh... If I recall it was only a halt on vote counts for one person.
Ouch thats a classic sign of election fraud, excessive voter turnout particularly in comparison to prior elections.
Even Australia, which has fines for not voting (for quite a long time so everyone is aware) only has ~91% participation.
And mail-in voting DOES NOT increase the turnout, even in Australia.
My Australian state just held local government elections with only mail-in voting, no in-person options. Even under penalty of fines for failure to vote, turnout was only 68%-87%, depending on electorate.
Edit: also there were ballots freaking everywhere. Blowing around in the streets, presumably having escaped letterboxes or been discarded. I could have easily harvested enough ballots to swing my local election, if I was so inclined.
“That would be illegal!” - Some leftist ballot harvester probably.
If you go county by county there are several with over 100% registered.
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Minnesota has been fraudulent for years. It truly is a disgusting place to live. We are moving soon. I can’t take this state much longer.
If they faked 40% extra turnout, does that mean Trump won by 40%?
That's exactly what my wife just said to me too.
More like trump got 18 percent more so they had to fake 22
Martin Armstrong said on Greg Hunters Usawatchdog show he's hearing rumblings that maybe as many as 38 million votes were faked
I agree this is suspect. I would believe like mid 70’s given the times, but 98 not a chance.
The highest in the past 4 presidential elections is 59.2%.
You can believe 70% of registered voters voted, because of Covid propaganda and the really hard push to mail everyone ballots. Voter turnout increasing this much is unheard off and very suspect. As this post highlights, nearly everyone who was registered to vote In 2016 (but only 59% did) had to have voted.
Biden gained 8 million votes since Wednesday
One small comment, the bottom numbers are turnout in relation to entire population, the 98% is in relation to REGISTERED VOTERS. Average US REGISTERED voter turnout is around 80-90% In 2016 it was around mid 80s in percent of REGISTERED voters.
Still a 16% jump is crazy.
Oh, good catch. They reference voting age population. Thanks for pointing it out.
I just put this together for myself to understand the current numbers relative to other elections.
The current vote counts are still suspicious.
Yeah the math is wrong. But the right math is still damning
A red tsunami. Anything less than complete control for us would be a gift for the other side in honesty. They’d still be getting away with a lot of they kept the house.
98% is impossible on its face lmao, not to mention the 40% percent jump 🤣🤣
Correction, it's table 2 from the first website listed.
Okay so here's some more math, just for fun.
Important disclaimer: This is assuming all of Trump's votes are legitimate (not saying they are but they have a much higher chance of all being valid than Biden's at this point).
Trump's 73,124,741 votes is approximately 47.3% of the total estimate registered voters. Now there could be some fuckery going on with the voting giving him a higher total than normal but it honestly seems like a pretty solid number beating Obama's record turnout by a few million (which is plausible imo).
Now, the turnout between 2012 and 2016 was a sizable increase of 4.3%. I'm going to take that, double it and add it to 2016's turnout to take us to a whopping 67.8% turnout. I'm not sure what the previous record for turnout is but, as you can see in the image above, 67.8% blows away the previous 20 years.
So we take our turnout percentage and apply that to the estimate registered voter total and get 104,814,732 million people who actually voted. Again, this is some serious turnout. This is nearly one third of the entire country! So we subtract this number from Trump's total and get a measly 31,689,991 for Biden. Now, obviously I'm leaving some things out here like 3rd party candidates, write-ins, etc but so is OP and this comment is going on long enough.
tl;dr: If Trump's numbers are true and we use a totally arbitrary but more realistic (if not very optimistic) voter turnout percentage it's basically a 2:1 landslide.
This is compelling but probably overstated because about 42 million (18%) didn’t answer if they were registered or not. (Cell I8 in Table 2 from the Census site.) Some of them are likely to be registered.
Yeah I agree. In 2016 about 129m ppl voted. In the graphic above it said voter turnout for 2016 was about 60%. 129m would be 60% of 215m. He’s using different denominators. This is pretty misleading. I would look like a dickhead if tried to use this in an argument.
It's simply meant to be a quick reasonableness test to put the numbers in perspective. A back of the envelope calculation as engineers call it.
Understood. However, I think that the wikipedia numbers cited refer to the percentage of voting age citizens, not of registered voters.
Edit to add: looks like the comparable percentage for this year is 67.45% of voting age citizens voted for either Trump or Biden.
Per the first source below, there are 213,799,467 registered voters as of 2020. (The data is listed by state. I had to plug it into excel to get the total number).
That would put us at a turnout of ... 71%. Still an insanely high number.
However, I can verify that OP's 2018 numbers are correct. Per my second source below, "In 2018, there were 153.07 million people registered to vote in the United States. Although this was an increase from 1996, when 127.66 million people were registered to vote, it’s lower than the peak of 157.6 million registered voters in 2016. "
What's jumping out at me here isn't the voter turnout numbers. It's the huge jump in registered voters from 2016 to 2020. 56.2 million more people registered in 2020 from 2016.
I'm not sure what to make of this. People who normally don't vote don't enthusiastically register to vote for a milk-toast candidate like Biden.
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state
Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/
I never registered or voted in my life prior to this election. I enthusiastically registered to vote for the best President in America's history, and I'm sure many others did the same.
Biden's numbers don't make sense from so many perspectives. I am confident Trump will pull through in the coming days.
Even though I screwed up the data, you bring up the point I was trying to understand. How did a senile lifetime politician garner such record breaking support? He didn't.
It's still generating good conversation in this thread. Thanks for your observations.
You were trying to extrapolate the number of registered voters using reasonable methods. Nothing wrong with that. I looked at this same data in the days after the election, before all the votes were counted. I didn't make the association then as I am now of how many people registered to vote between 2018 and 2020. Insane numbers.
Nothing to see here. Move along, Deplorable. /s
There isn't a direct correlation, but it's the easiest number to apply to account for an increase in voters.
I probably should have added a factor for "ALL" the orange man bad voters that the left will suggest registered. However, one could argue there was little enthusiasm for sleepy Joe and extreme enthusiasm for POTUS.
Regardless, the current vote count is completely unreasonable.
Don't forget newborn babies probably voted Biden in Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin
Links:
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/voting-and-registration/p20-583.html (Table 2)
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.GROW?locations=US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
Thats what I was saying with the fact check of the "voter turnout was higher than registered voters".... Even if what they said was true about the voter roll not being up to date that's still 90+% turnout which is suspicious as fuck.
That's even bigger than Sadam Hussein election back back then when media were gaslighting how corrupt he was.
Even Saddam didn't claim the vote percentages that Biden's handlers seem comfortable declaring as valid.
Whenever I try to bring up the crazy high voter turnout... I’ve been told by lib friends that the voter turnout % is not calculated based on the total number of registered voters, but on the total number of voting age population (some of whom may not be registered to vote)
I just don’t know what the definitive answer is. I swear I’m not a concern troll! I believe there was all kinds of fraud and in this election... but this the excuse I get whenever I try to bring this up.
And 98% is absolutely nuts! So even if it were based on voting age population would it still be in the high 80s? Which would also be statistically really unusual.
The number for voting age eligible people is considerably higher than registered voters. I don't see how it could be a better indicator because if you aren't registered, you can't vote.
Yes, but that makes the voter turnout % lower than if it was based on registered voters. And I just don’t know if there is any official way to calculate this.
I mean... what I keep getting told is that calculating the voter turnout % based on register voter is not how it’s done. It’s based on voting age population. And I don’t know what the correct answer is. And I suspect it may be out of line with past elections even if it is to be calculated on voting age population.
I think there's one issue that will be challenged with this by lefties. The Wiki source quotes the turnout percents and it uses "Voting Eligible Population (VEP)", which is everyone over the age of 18 in the US.
He/She's then taking that VEP % and comparing it to registered voters %, which is obviously a much smaller %. For example WIKI's showing a VEP of 239M in the US for 2020 compared to the 154M registered voters number being used in the 98.25% calculation.
It's still very good data to have, but be careful in comparing two different datasets. For accuracy the % compared to the bottom 2004, 2008, 2012, & 2016 would be 63.6% of VEP's voting in 2020.
My opinion is that the turnout % compared to actual registered voters is an excellent thing to look at. It may be 100% accurate that we're showing a near 100% voter turnout this year. However, it would also imply we had a near 90% turnout in 2016, which would also indicate a good chance of fraud occurring back then.
adding more to my comment. I think the better red pill would be to use the table 2 US census data from 2018 like you did and increase it with the growth numbers to get a total estimate for 2020. Then use the total numbers voted in the US.
Just simply showing a near 100% estimated voter turnout is VERY powerful red pill.
I just sent it to one of my normie friends who refuses to believe in corruption and he's seriously doing the WTF WTF, these numbers can't be real. Showed him the source and he's slowly swallowing the pill.
Add this in on top of that https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/u-s-has-3-5-million-more-registered-voters-than-live-adults-a-red-flag-for-electoral-fraud/
Except the denominator is incorrect. The previous years aren’t measured on registered voters, they’re measured in eligible voter population.
Can some one show the percentage of dead people voted.
Your number check out, but remember that 42k had no response to registration. Assuming they're all voters. that'd still be around 75–80%.
Seems like a LARP. Has anyone made any attempt to verify this?
See my other comment.
... there are 213,799,467 registered voters as of 2020. (The data is listed by state. I had to plug it into excel to get the total number).
That would put us at a turnout of ... 71%. Still an insanely high number.
The source links are provided.
MATH is racist BIGOT