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misterLahey 142 points ago +145 / -3

From a technical standpoint, I am in love with AWS architecture.

Amazon itself though? Ugh. Make Amazon Good Again - no more of this chinese crap, it seems like everything you search results in a page of identical photos of product with different fly by night company names like BEAWOW, OUAZO, BEAWUW, WOOABI, ZOOUAWOW

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NeverInterruptEnemy 22 points ago +23 / -1

Do not confuse Amazon distribution, and AWS

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WishdoctorsSong 33 points ago +42 / -9

Seriously? As another technical person, AWS architecture is an abomination. Poor to lacking documentation, inconsistent behavior across the board, possibly the worst GUI in the world that should be deprecated and replaced with a consistent CLI as the only means of interaction.

We need to go back to hosting our own servers. Not everybody is Google or some overfunded startup trying to hit an inflection point before they run out of somebody else's money. For 90% of people using AWS its overpriced overkill and a huge step backwards from VPSs and colocation.

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NeverInterruptEnemy 17 points ago +18 / -1

You’re not supposed to be using the consul or the CLI unless it’s for testing or analytics. you should be using stacks, serverless, terraform, cloud formation for your actual infrastructure.

I hate Bezos, I dislike all the Chinese garbage on Amazon, but AWS is the best cloud hosting there is. Your other options are azure and GCP... so it’s not a tough fight.

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WishdoctorsSong 7 points ago +10 / -3

More layers on top of layers for what? Saying AWS is the best cloud hosting is like saying McDonals makes the best $1 hamburger, it still sucks. We've replaced the learning of evergreen skills that let us run on a variety of hosting providers for chasing AWS's tail just to pay more for a tiny slice of virtual hardware than we would for running our own colo.

Yes there are businesses that really do need that level of hardware spun up instantly, particularly anybody trying to move massive amounts of audio or video around the globe without having to invest the upfront costs to find out if they even have a viable business model, but those are far and few between.

And this is before we get into the foolishness is that moving the internet from what used to be the single most widely distributed invulnerable to disruption open source free systems on the planet to a proprietary IaaS company with a seriously evil political agenda.

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chartmerchant 3 points ago +3 / -0

AWS is exactly the wrong use case for shunting audio and video around the internet. You'll get cleaned out if you try to do that on AWS. There's 2 companies that are pulling it off. Netflix, which has partner boxes in each isp in America which dramatically lightens the load, and they're shuffling the cash in with their unsustainable production budget. The other is twitch, which got bought by Amazon and now server and data costs are inter-department funny money; and they're also in the process of fucking the userbase out of every slim dime by injecting ads everywhere and pissing off the talent.

The only way to make it make sense is to rollout your own boxes into strategic colos to the areas you want to serve. Look at Floatplane as an example.

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airgag 2 points ago +2 / -0

Preach.

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airgag 2 points ago +2 / -0

Digital Ocean, Vultr, ...

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Funny how all the research I did and the people I found have heavy links to Digital Ocean as well. My original post: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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airgag 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am in no way defending DO, I have been warning about the cloud craze and intentional heavy downplaying of the risks and disadvantages for long time. But I don't see the connection to DO in the linked post.

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kittydoses 2 points ago +2 / -0

and just because aws servers are used..its not the same as aws using aws servers to do it. i expect my linux to run in the cloud no matter what i am doing. aws promisses uptime. Its not garands fault there are dead nazis.

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chartmerchant 1 point ago +1 / -0

You do know that "serverless" still runs on a server, right? And if you aren't configuring the server your code is running on, someone else is.

Serverless is lying to yourself about who your neighbors are. Anyone could be running spectre attacks or rowhammer on the physical host you're sharing. At least when you spin up your vm you can pay to keep your own cores and the hyperthreads.

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misterLahey 6 points ago +6 / -0

Agree re: the documentation, and even the coursework and cert tracks. So much focus on presales PR crap. And I agree about the GUIs. But having been involved in an effort to stand up a globally scaleable network and seeing a lot of time and $$$ put into it especially given blindspots talent-wise when it came to people organically part of the organization or even subcontracted, I appreciate what AWS offers.

For 90% of people using AWS its overpriced overkill.

Won't disagree there. My admiration is from the perspective of huge, worldwide corps.

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misterLahey 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm sober, for Randy Bobandi.

But a little drinkiepoo of swish doesn't count.

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chipdingo 4 points ago +4 / -0

But they need everyone to move to cloud as it makes it so much easier to gather all the data. Their AI will never be complete without this.

I agree 100% about running our own servers. Companies are fools for moving to AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, whatever...

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chartmerchant 2 points ago +2 / -0

Especially with what's out now. You can relatively easily set up esxi or xen to do dynamic vm spin-ups, or deploy openstack and do containers on hardware.

The aws model was a revolution, but the rest of the market caught up, but tech companies are too busy convincing themselves they don't have the technical ability to pull it off.

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SPONGE 4 points ago +4 / -0

with 30+ years in the industry I couldn't agree more with the above.

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NeverInterruptEnemy 4 points ago +4 / -0

AWS is 1 trillion things besides web hosting

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zooty 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I know a good little slice of it but about a year ago, I was contacted by a recruiter for a position using AWS. They wanted someone who knew all of it and what I knew wasn't enough. Two months later, different recruiter, same position, same requirements. I guess eventually they'll find someone who claims they have the knowledge but doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

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NeverInterruptEnemy 2 points ago +2 / -0

No one knows all of AWS.

Not even Amazon.

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df0ster5 9 points ago +9 / -0

It's because people buy Chinese shit en-masse from export sites like Alibaba, and ship it right to Amazon's warehouse to be sold through their Fulfillment by Amazon program. Basically using Amazon to dropship their shit. Literally any 12 year old with a keyboard and mom's credit card can do it, hence why it's now FLOODED with all this Chinese garbage.

Amazon never used to allow this type of stuff but in the last decade they've loosened up their seller standards, especially on the Fulfillment program, so what you see is what you get. I don't even use them anymore because of the exact reasons you said.

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misterLahey 4 points ago +4 / -0

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's 90% garbage now, reflecting what you posted above. I still have about $150 in gift card balances that I need to use up and then will end my membership. And their shipping went to total shit this year, too.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

I pay attention to who is actually selling me stuff on Amazon - I think I've dodged many bullets that way. But it's no different than any big box or retailer - instead of buying it in person at Target, you simply pay an Amazon middle man. Who may or may not be around in a month due to bad reviews/ripping people off.

And, ALWAYS read the reviews. I was looking at something this weekend, and the comments were all "This is a knock off with a fake label of the real manufacturer".

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suckmycorona 4 points ago +4 / -0

And online they don’t have to state country of origin. So I post that in the reviews. No more made in China products if I can find alternatives.

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NeverInterruptEnemy 2 points ago +2 / -0

They do sometimes. It’s a field the manufacturer can mark in the gray boxes at the bottom of the page above the reviews.

Most manufacturers don’t market so it doesn’t show, because it’s all Chinese bullshit.

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HeavenlyTrumpets 3 points ago +3 / -0

So true...

They didn't used to suck so much.

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah when I was doing all of my research this is exactly what I thought about. My original post: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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nomoremasks 35 points ago +38 / -3

Essentially half of the internet companies are using Amazon AWS infrastructure in some ways or other. It's not like on Twitter where the CEO can decide to apply censorship to your post and shove his agenda to everyone.

Amazon is more like an ISP, and they don't control the data on the hosting infrastructure.

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aconcernedtroll 11 points ago +16 / -5

In this case it might be. Just due to how large Amazon is. Anyone can use their services and your choices are microsoft azure, google cloud services or Amazon web services. AWS was the first major successful cloud provider so if you're going to run software or services, it's pretty likely you'll use Amazon

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aconcernedtroll 8 points ago +13 / -5

I think bezos is scum, but, this is a reach right now. Is it worth investigating? Probably. But this is like saying, "dominion used a corporate gmail account for their internal communications, Goolag is evil!"

** I think the more important aspect of this story is that they have conclusive proof that the tabulators were not only not air-gapped, but that voting data was being sent through the cloud to international servers and common cloud services. Not via a secure government or military intranet.

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ClownTamer 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t think Bezo can go down over this, but it would be hilarious if Trump used his EO to seize all of Bezo’s assets and paid off a hefty chunk of the national debt in one swoop.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your right this post itself is not proof, but my post proves that this post is true. https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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airgag 3 points ago +3 / -0

I would say that election backend still deserves better security than running an aws instance.

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aconcernedtroll 2 points ago +2 / -0

Absolutely agreed. That's the scandal.

And possibly this as well.

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8q9opai/ysk-dominion-has-their-system-ho/

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes but how can you explain all of the stuff I found? You cant! The connection is real and it is all true. My research: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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Mainwar 2 points ago +2 / -0

And god help you if you need to keep your data CONUS... cause it will not happen.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I beg to differ. If you look at all my research and maybe add to it you will see that it is deeper than you think. In my honest opinion they are complicit as well https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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FreedomFlowerDelta 26 points ago +26 / -0

Makes you wonder if his ex-wife has to give the money back

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WishdoctorsSong 12 points ago +13 / -1

That had to be a setup to move money around, there's no way Bezos is dumb enough to let his wife just walk away with that much if he didn't intend it.

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Skogin 9 points ago +9 / -0

His net worth has multiplied after the divorce settlement, she would have ended up with 3-4x more if it happened now?..

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trump2036 6 points ago +6 / -0

did she get stock? cash? did she invest cash into amazon after the settlement? She could have the same gains.

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HeavenlyTrumpets 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not about being dumb...it's about the law.

He wasn't hurting from her taking that $$$.

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tokenninja 18 points ago +18 / -0

RICO means they take e v e r y t h I n g - even from family members- there is no escaping.

How many trillions of dollars are coming into the coffers?

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Magistra 11 points ago +11 / -0

Oooooooh, do you think feds can seize assets? Can they use that to offset some of the coronadoom and fraud costs? I’m probably too altruistic on this one,,,,

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Skogin 5 points ago +5 / -0

I think you mean optimistic, and also really want it to happen. It would be JUSTICE.

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SpicyAmerican 2 points ago +2 / -0

Time will tell...

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NeverInterruptEnemy 7 points ago +7 / -0

This isn’t as bad as Lin Wood’s “Biden will be in jail“ post, but it’s bad.

It would be fucking shocking if you could find any service that wasn’t using some cloud provider somewhere.

I have a product that uses AWS. Am I guilty of election fraud? Of course not, I use API gateway to spill up some lambdas run a little bit of code and return a result. Tying Dominion to Amazon Web services is retarded.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I do not think it is retarded. I have linked it all together already. Days ago! https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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NeverInterruptEnemy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sorry friend, but you literally can’t do anything online right now without hitting AWS severs a dozen times.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Obviously you didn't read my research. It is deeper than that, not only do I spell it out but I give proof.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't like the idea of our elections being run on Amazon's servers, but at the same time I shudder to think about our state and federal government trying to create their own. It would cost trillions and deploy in, oh, 2058. Maybe.

I would be WAY more concerned if they'd used Google's.

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NeverInterruptEnemy 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are both Amazon and azure government only servers... specifically because the government knew they couldn’t create their own cloud.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is possible. An I have the evidence to prove it. OP of this post is right. Please see my post: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

No it all ties together. Please see my post: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think it is very possible. Please see my post where I was trying to expose this a few days after the election. https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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2008RonPaul2012 8 points ago +8 / -0

This is cute

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Serioush 13 points ago +13 / -0

You ever think we're gonna reach a point where it turns out too many people are involved in this?

He can't be up against literally everyone right?

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Skogin 2 points ago +2 / -0

Got to squeeze enough low and mid levels to flip, then take down the kingpins.

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Klyuchak 1 point ago +1 / -0

RICO baby

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HeavenlyTrumpets 1 point ago +1 / -0

Almost everyone in a position with lots of power is on the side of evil, yes.

That is why we have to pray and understand it is literally impossible for us to overcome what surrounds us without God.

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giggitybooped 5 points ago +5 / -0

Didn't Bezos just sell off a shit-ton of his stocks?

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hloblart 4 points ago +5 / -1

If they were aware of what the servers were used for. Which, as an infrastructure provider they should no more be aware of than my bank is aware of what is in my safety deposit box. Calling for Amazon to police AWS content that tightly, that is before the actual police issue a warrant, will lead to further censorship of conservatives. You do not want them to put the spy architecture in place.

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0

They bought the IP blocks and installed specific people that lean one way to take control and implement things. I have done all the research already https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have it all connected. I do think there is nefarious motives behind them buying the IP block and setting things up to where it was running through them. Please see my research: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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SirPokeSmottington 3 points ago +6 / -3

Bezos has absolutely NOTHING to do with what any random person puts on their AWS infrastructure.

Quit spreading bullshit.

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Caprica777 3 points ago +3 / -0

I saw a post on Gab a few days ago detailing Bezos’ massive personal stock sell off recently.

This could’ve been why.

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MAGAtt 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah I have been saying this for a while. I tracked quite a bit down. I have been banned from twitter trying to get this out there. Here is my original post: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0

I feel like I fell down a rabbit hole. I couldn't believe what I was finding was true.

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BigFreedomBoner 0 points ago +1 / -1

Hubris still exists, my friend.

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Batman 1 point ago +1 / -0

Our company uses both AWS and Azure. It's a shit show (inside this company) having it split between the two and nobody can agree on a path forward.

But yes, good product.

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zooty 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your stuff should be cloud provider agnostic then the road ahead is fairly straightforward. It's a mistake to tie yourself to one provider (or even two).

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

True but please see how I have it all linked together: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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dahdahdah_dahditdah 2 points ago +2 / -0

If Amazon staff were actively and knowingly participating, then this is meaningful. Otherwise, I think u/12_more_years and potentially also Linn Wood may be ignorant of the fact that AWS infrastructure is used by over a million companies and business customers as a passive web hosting platform. Specifically, Amazon isn't generally monitoring what people do on AWS infrastructure, they just expose the platform for DIY purposes and of course collect the money.

It would be like saying the Dominion voting machines run Microsoft Windows, therefore Microsoft is a conspirator in some scheme.

WaPo is corrupt fake news and I wouldn't put anything past an unscrupulous leftist billionaire like Bezos. However we will need more than just "running on AWS."

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

They did not use their own staff. They bought the ip blocks an set up the deal in a way the $109million gets paid out over time and they installed their own people to manage things. See my research: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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dahdahdah_dahditdah 3 points ago +4 / -1

I think you still don't get the idea of what AWS (Amazon Web Services) is. Some other people and I have been trying to explain it to you. Let me try again.

Maybe this will help: as a professional software developer, when a client wants stuff on the internet, typically one of the first things I do for them is help them set up an AWS account and provision web resources for them. That makes my client one of millions who purchase commodity cloud infrastructure. And Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos almost certainly personally knows nothing about it. Amazon just collects my client's money.

Not every web project benefits from AWS. Some are well served by WordPress or something dinky like that. But custom software development for the cloud is almost always headed for AWS, or Microsoft Azure, or Google Cloud Platform. There are millions of these projects, and the executives of the respective companies have no idea in general what happens, they just collect the money -- referring to Bezos (AWS), Satya Nadella (Microsoft Azure), and Sundar Pichai (Google Cloud Platform).

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CMGLinks 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is this why he unloaded $3 billion in stock the other day?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

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kung-flu-fighting 2 points ago +2 / -0

WTF does routing ballot tabulations mean? Building in someway to cheat is what it sounds like. There is no need for 'special servers' to add up ballots.

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Daemoness 2 points ago +2 / -0

Be still, my heart-! I want this to be true and provable so very badly

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deplorablebot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Please let this be true and rid us of that giant POS Bezos!

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0
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BillBarrsSkelatons 2 points ago +3 / -1

CIA Jeff...

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irongeek 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bezo lost the biggest pentagon JEDI contract to Microsoft Azure. The deal was 10 billion dollars.

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trump2036 4 points ago +4 / -0

Gen Mattis has openly spewed hate for Trump after the no bid contract was removed from Amazon. Supposedly he benefited financially from that transaction.

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PurplePunch36 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’ve said this before many times Amazon was a part of all this Covid bullshit. The acquisition of grocery chains to prepare for home delivery, Amazon Prime Video for entertainment at home, and the fact you can order anything to your door in 1-2 days so you never have to leave your house. All you need is Amazon during the lockdown.

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UnderCoverTrumper 2 points ago +2 / -0

I CAN'T TAKE IT.

THIS WOULD BE TOO SWEET.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is SWEET. Here is the proof OP is correct: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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quigonkenny 2 points ago +2 / -0

Rosie and Amy Schumer if true. Bezos will fold like a cheap suit if any liability comes his way, and probably already has a fall guy in place to take the blame if AWS comes under scrutiny. He'll throw the entire Democrat Party under the bus if he needs to, and even use the Washington Post to do it.

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Micdrop2017 2 points ago +2 / -0

Less speculation...more prood

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MaxineWaters4Prez 2 points ago +2 / -0

Civil asset forfeiture.

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CommieCrats 2 points ago +2 / -0

AMAZON CIA CLOUD DEAL RIGHT NEXT DOOR!

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Taupkek 1 point ago +1 / -0

Either this guy is full of excrement or he is giving away the game plans just before the big play. I wish he would keep quiet, either way.

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refresco 1 point ago +1 / -0

Handcuffs

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Carbum 1 point ago +1 / -0

Its about to be the USAMAZON.. All shares spilt equally to all American citizens.

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Back_Stabbath 1 point ago +1 / -0

The man owns a rocket company.

It's kind of weird we have billionaires with what amounts to be their own missle factories here but I can't own a fucking bump stock...

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zooty 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fill a few politicians' pockets and you can probably have all the bump stocks you could ever want.

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StarsStripesandGrit 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh please please please

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MAGAtt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not only that but my post proves OP is correct: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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killacommieforyourmo 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think Bezos might be covertly based. I found all of Dinesh's films on Amazon and not one on Netflix. Hopefully Bezos is in on the sting op. Longshot but would be awesome.

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cybertoke 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just a grain of salt:

Most of the mainstream webs servers are amazon servers. In fact it would be more curious if things didnt go through amazon servers.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Very true. But that would be a great cover no? Here is the proof: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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cybertoke 2 points ago +2 / -0

thanks for the additional info

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cybertoke 2 points ago +2 / -0

fair enough. investigate the fuck out of this.

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StaryHickory 1 point ago +1 / -0

Amazon servers could be involved in routing. It does not mean necessarily that this is where there was a problem though.

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Of course SO! Get carried away and read the proof I have been trying to say forever! https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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masculinist 0 points ago +1 / -1

Bezos is no where near the richest in the world. The wealthiest people’s worth go undisclosed world wide.

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Jaybird91 0 points ago +1 / -1

I’ll answer your question right now — no

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MAGAtt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let me correct you, yes. See my post, how it all ties together: https://thedonald.win/p/11PpU44mO4/exposed-voting-machines-amazon-c/

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fapoo 0 points ago +1 / -1

Is he really the richest man? If you were the richest man in the world by FAR, would you let everyone know?

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doodaddy 0 points ago +1 / -1

As a techie, it might be worth making this a little more clear. The Amazon "servers" (AWS) is a center full of computers that individual companies lease and are locked with (supposedly) privately keys such that Amazon can not see what a company is doing. I worked there. I know. (And I've simplified this for everyone.)

For instance, when Amazon wanted to price sniff WalMart and other companies but keep it private, they used AWS for that. Any attempt to trace back where the calls come from and you just get "the cloud" and no one company, on purpose.