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Drug legalization isn't about what is morally right, but what has the least amount of problems associated with it. The market will fill the demand. I would rather deal with a stoner than organized crime.
Legalize all of the non-addictive drugs. Let Darwin solve some of society's problems.
All drugs are addictive. Any substance that creates a novel conscious experience can become a dependency.
With that said, any and all drugs should be legal.
I work my ass off so that on the weekend I can do whatever the fuck I want. You can have your shit together and enjoy altering your conscious.
By telling me I can't have sovereignty over my own mind you are falling into the same wrong think trap that you so vehemently hate.
This is just like guns. It has nothing to do with the substance, they are tools for enjoyment by responsible adults. This is about bad, stupid people. They exsist in a vacuum. They will exsist with drugs, they will exsist without them.
The only problem with this is that we have a welfare state keeping all of Darwin's "finest" artificially alive, only to the effect of growing in number & killing their host (us).
I will be never be comfortable with legalizing drugs until after the social safety net trap that I am unwillingly entangled in is dismantled, so that I am much less likely to be taxed to Hell & dragged down by other's dumb decisions. I'd be A-Ok then, but good luck getting rid of the gimmes.
It is exactly about a moral right. You are free to cause harm to yourself. But you have no moral position to assert your lifestyle upon others by the force of the government. Libertarianism is not based on pragmatism or utilitarianism.
Just as the abolishment of slavery wasn't either. Yet it lead to a massive boom in technology and prosperity.
That said, I think drug consumption is pathetic.
And be reminded, if daddy government is the hand that feeds you welfare, of course it also has to be the hand that slaps you. This is how socialism asserts more and more control over people's lives. In Germany you have something like 1€/h labor handed over by the government to corporations. They are still paid by welfare - so effectively this is tax payer paid slavery - the costs of labor are socialized on behalf of corporations.
Friedman's policies lead to an impoverished working-class who will vote commie to "save them" (sic) from the poverty created by Lolbetarian policy.
This is not an accident. The Bolsheviks run a "right flank" to create the conditions which make communism popular. That's what the "neo-cons" and "libertarians" ARE - the Bolshevik's Right Flank.
Destroying the Family with drugs, prostitution, and pro-degenerate-pervert policy is more of the same.
Adding to that fatherlessness/motherlessness by criminalizing it and throwing drug users in jail hasn't exactly helped though. Legal or not, people are gonna use drugs. The question is, do we send them to jail for it? I can't see why we would. It doesn't save us any money, it doesn't solve the problem, it doesn't prevent the problem, what the hell is the point?
Friedman cured me of my leftism, Thomas Sowell taught me how to think rationally and Mises is for when I hit my weed pen. I would probably be an antifa-soy-sipper had it not been for these incredible people. They got a lot right.
Amazingly enough, not long after I started consuming all things Friedman and Thomas Sowell - my wife pointed out that I was passing by Milton's signature daily. Turns out he officiated my wife's grandparent's wedding way back in the day! I was passing by his signature on their framed wedding license hanging in our own home - how cool is that?! LOL 😂
Such a bold claim in all caps- maybe a link to the best presentation of your views?
All economic schools are actually in part political ideology, hence in the UK it’s rightly called political economy. There are economists who seek to understand what is whereas others seem to spend most of their careers arguing for what could be / shouldn’t be. And there is definitely room for both. What I know for sure is that theoretical mathematical models of human behavior will always fall short. People aren’t perfectly rational to put it nicely. It will be hard to quantify certain aspects of the whims of consumers. It’s also nearly impossible to predict what might trigger social unrest.
Agreed. I was hooked when he succinctly dismantled young Michael Moore's emotional argument about assigning a prescribed value to a human life and punishing a company vs the concept of ensuring that laws exist to compel companies to provide consumers with the necessary information to make an informed, risk/reward decision (else be punished). Two totally different concepts laid bare with brutal honesty regarding free will. The "Free to Choose" vids are terrific! https://youtu.be/Bb7Fi8I-qOk
Yeah he had some significant wacky new policy ideas that actually had/would've had terrible consequences. Sometimes people like him who think so theoretically can be the worst at foreseeing practical outcomes. His big picture explanations are valuable despite it though. Same with lots of philosophers, like Aristotle, obviously one of the greats of civilization despite his fucked views on slavery and women.
Other than Hoppe, who has some redeeming qualities, why would we spread foreign-memes that undermine the mores/morals/ethics of Western-Christian civilization?
They already have, leftist are obsessed with wealth disparity while completely missing the point that disparity isn't what matters. What matters is what fraction of your population you can get over the poverty line into self-sufficient employment. Capitalism does that with the side effect that some people get stupid rich. Meanwhile communism fixes wealth disparity since everybody is equally poor, except that's not true either since communist nations (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, China) have the absolute worst wealth disparity as well.
Yeah I don’t really give a shit about how rich the richest become as long as they aren’t trying to fuck the middle class over. Like there’s gonna be rich people, no matter what. But I’m fine with that as long as they are like Trump and give a shit about the rest of us instead of trying to put their thumb in our eye every goddamn second. Plus, under Trump, the wealth gap actually decreased.
Can’t agree more! I know there’s actually a lot of rich patriots that are giving back to their country, it’s just that you have many more bastards like Bezos/Gates/Zuckerberg/Dorsey that are fucking with the rest of us!
Exactly, I never wanted the property of millionaires - it's their private jet and golden toilet, not mine, let them have it, as long as it's not to my detriment. All I want is a comfortable middle-class living, that's enough.
The core of what propels the left is envy, they want all that wealth for themselves.
True, in the past i would focus on and bitch about wealth disparity in a sense. Then i just shut up about it and went to work. Bought a house a few years later and been on the up and up. This is coming from some one who grew up poor, section 8, trailers, no father figures etc. Just takes hard work and the ability to grind and save.
Inspiring story pede! Everyone can succeed and make it better for themselves in this country! That’s what I love about it! The land of opportunities and the Commies are trying to rob people of their opportunities!
I've never had a lot of money. I can honestly say some of my happiest times were when I was the poorest. Now I'm happy to just to have a dishwasher and an airconditioner at the same time. Goals: Be cool while rejoicing over the fact I never have to wash another dish I'm a simple girl.
It's because modern communists base their world view around a Marxist lens. They believe all humans are equal and that any differences in outcome must be due to some sort of oppression that must be corrected for. They refuse to accept inequality because to them inequality of any kind is proof of oppression. That's where all this Critical Race Theory and other garbage ideologies come from. It's egalitarianism taken to the extreme where everyone's outcome becomes the exact same. They completely deny the individual's free will and how people can in fact be better than others at things.
They all think they would be CEO of the company if it weren't for their oppression.
It's hilarious how this view that all humans are equal follows through, if all humans are equal, then all lives are worth the same, and if there's that many people then individual lives are worthless.
Yep, it's the Peter Singer paradox - if you're compelled to altruism, then everyone is a slave to everyone else. Ayn Rand - I don't care how cliche she is - demolished that bullshit line of reasoning for me, we are free individuals before anything else.
Pareto distributions are real. Socialists can wail and scream all they want about them. They'll institute any policy, no matter how crazy if they can flatten one out for just a few years before it returns to form. As far as I can tell they're close enough to immutable that the Socialists may as well declare that gravity is a social construct we're a few policy changes away from fixing.
Great explanation. I would add that wealth mobility also matters, and is only possible in a free market. Even with high wealth disparity, the US has historically had immense turnover in the highest and lowest earners as people move up and down depending on their work and risks. The left likes to mock "oh working poor in the US think they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires" as if that's unrealistic. Nope, if the government doesn't get in your way, you actually can earn more and achieve the American dream.
They'll change it to 'if you have to work in order to maintain your housing, food, healthcare, etc, you're in poverty'. Calling it now. They want to destroy the idea of having to work for what's yours and keeping yourself alive. They want to stigmatize the entire idea of self-sufficiency or needing to trade your labor for the means of living life.
"Poverty does not only pertain to an individual's current financial means. Real poverty can only be achieved when there is also emotional poverty or fulfillment poverty, which white people have never experienced." Nobody has said this yet, but they probably will
They also ignore the fact you can buy a dozen carrots, 1 lb of snap beans, 1 onion, a clove a garlic all for under $5, then get a whole chicken $5 and snag a salt and pepper packet from the McDonalds on the way out.
Literally had this argument today with someone earlier. Explained to them that eating healthy food is actually much cheaper and what you end up doing if you are actually poor...
Their weak ass counterpoint was that poor people are too exhausted from working to cook and clean.
Yeah, fat poor people could simply eat less food, even if that claim were true. They are eating a calorie surplus, and this is a thermodynamic “science fact”
OMG that argument is the biggest load of bullshit out there isn't it? It's still cheaper to buy decent food and cook it yourself. It's nothing but an excuse for being fat AND lazy.
and they all have smart phones, amazon prime, and netflix.
edit: you can get amazon prime for dirt cheap if you receive government assistance. poor people in the US live much better than middle class people in most other countries in the world.
They'd hate living in Australia and have to pay what we do for internet/streaming/phones. We get price gouged with the old "but your country is so far away" bullshit. IKEA had to drop their prices across the board here - they got caught out adding WAY over the actual cost of shipping their furniture to us.
Very well said. I think more young Americans need to actually travel the world, and they would see that. And, I'm not talking about that one senior trip to Cancun that mommy and daddy paid for.
Deep thinkers who look everywhere for the mysterious causes of poverty, ignorance, crime and war need look no further than their own mirrors. We are all born into this world poor and ignorant, and with thoroughly selfish and barbaric impulses.
The vision of the anointed is one in which ills as poverty, irresponsible sex, and crime derive primarily from ‘society,’ rather than from individual choices and behavior. To believe in personal responsibility would be to destroy the whole special role of the anointed, whose vision casts them in the role of rescuers of people treated unfairly by ‘society’.
If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.
The biggest and most deadly ‘tax’ rate on the poor comes from a loss of various welfare state benefits – food stamps, housing subsidies and the like – if their income goes up.
What ‘multiculturalism’ boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture – and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture.
Another of the magic feats of political rhetoric in our time is to blame “a legacy of slavery” for problems in the black community today….[This] argument is not just a convenient excuse for bad behavior, it allows politicians to escape responsibility for the consequences of the government policies they imposed.
The perverse incentives of the welfare state have all too frequently enticed the poor, blacks included, away from finding remunerative work and toward a mentality of dependency and entitlement.
There’s no explanation needed for poverty. The species began in poverty. So what you really need to know is what are the things that enable some countries, and some groups within countries, to be prosperous.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” - Mark Twain
He is not a leftist.the most popular black men in America academia are mostly leftists or people who have aligned historically with the left to gain either money or status.
“Well first of all, tell me: Is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course, none of us are greedy, it’s only the other fellow who’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worse off, worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.”
It would be beautiful even just hearing how how respectfully dialogues, But they can’t have that the schools are controlled by govt and govt is a parasite that sucks power from the people . So they use compulsory education to groom the perfect specimens to leech from. Also why they took vocational training out of schools can’t have them knowing life skills to be free.
Yes! I'm starting a Friedman/Hayek/Sowell/Mises Meets Donald private subreddit with invites if any of you guys are interested. It's great here, but I'm really into econ and market "theory"
it'd be cool to have a sAfE sPaCe for shooting the shit etc. If you're down, I can get you all invites.
Yes, I know Austrian and Chicago are at odds but relative to the rest of the population they may as well be two slightly different shades of mustard.
And the only people who are still living in absolute poverty today are people trapped in communist shitholes like Venezuela or San Franshitsco, or African countries dominated by the CCP.
this is why centralized economies are doomed to fail, they don't control enough of the world's resources and geography to be able to contain all that effort within a single nation for nothing more than a cheap ass pencil that's probably worth less than a quarter per unit. in the 30s and 40s fascist and communist governments tried to follow a policy of autarky, which is complete economic autonomy. it's precisely what caused the axis powers to fail as they did not have a robust enough production capability to sustain long term warfare. something so simple, and so absolutely minute in the considerations of your daily life as a pencil, required the resources and labor of people from all corners of the globe. What hope could a government have to be able to know to the extent necessary the same amounts of material, labor, and international cooperation that is needed to produce a single unit of this good, when they then have as their responsibility the entire economy of a nation state?
this is a long video, one you are therefore unlikely to watch, but I post it anyway in the hopes that at least 1 person that reads this would. The Soviet Union, undoubtedly one of the most powerful nations of the Earth in its day, the implacable foe of the United States, was simultaneously considered to be a modern and powerful nation and yet was one of the few nations on Earth that even into the 1980s had the year's grain harvest as being of national concern. When you have multiple bureaucratic offices dedicated specifically to overseeing the distribution of resources for farmers to farm grain, how could some pencil pushing urbanite ever have any idea how much fertilizer every farm in the country would need, how to coordinate the distribution, how to even go about creating it within your own country if you've forbidden trade with non-Communist nations? This is a recipe for disaster and how you end up with so many famines in these countries, the people making the decisions for who gets what are not the people actually making the goods, harvesting the crops, running the factories. Many of them scoff in disbelief thinking that such a lowly thing as a pencil would have so much labor and resources going into its production. If something so small could be that difficult to bring the necessary materials together to achieve its creation, how then can you dare to dream of a future where you bring together the materials necessary to create a Lunar shuttle? An artificial heart? A nuclear reactor?
Definetly queuing that one up for later, a fascinating topic.
This is the same notion that kills me why so many people in my field (software development) seem to be becoming full-blown communists. Of all people programmers should know that communism is doomed to failure. Every modern idea in software from OOP to actor models to FP to distributed systems is built around the core concept of separating problems up into independently functioning units to control complexity. That's all programmers really do 8 hours a day every day, look at large complex systems and break them down into smaller systems.
Yet now when we look at a system like the economy of a nation with more inherent complexity than any program ever written, programmers look at that and think "yeah central planning will totally work brah"
a very wise man once told me that the difference between left and right often comes down to the thinking that leftists have where they think the only reason problems haven't been solved yet is that there just isn't sufficient desire to actually solve these problems, and if they just throw more money, "experts", time, and so forth at it, eventually there won't be any more war or disease or crime or anything bad ever
people on the right realize that the universe is a fucked up place, and often all it takes for something to go wrong is just that somebody's got a screw loose or it just wasn't your day. Instead they live life by the mantra that life sucks, and you should wear a helmet. People, and especially their governments, should be focused less on fixing problems and more on just not making the problem any god damn worse, which in practice often boils down to "just let me handle this myself"
of course those are all gross oversimplifications but I'm trying to paraphrase something I heard almost 15 years ago
at any rate, I fuckin love that guy TIK, extraordinary historian and his platform being on Youtube instead of a university means he has the ability to do controversial things like say socialism doesn't work.
That was worth the watch. The really interesting thing about capitalism that is always lost in the conversation in comparison to communism is how completely adaptable it is. All those little nodes in the family tree of the pencil are independent agents looking to optimize their own little part of the world. All of those micro optimizations add up to an exponential increase in the efficiency of a civilization.
Meanwhile on the communist side, top down control dictates what goes where, goods are moved around based on currying party favor, and waste runs rampant.
If only he hadn't helped create the modern tax system, aka - the withholding tax.
By making taxes relatively invisible and making paying them relatively painless, Friedman paved the way for the current status quo, in which significant portions of salaried workers' incomes are handed over to state and federal governments without much fuss. Tax refunds, which feel like a delightful windfall to those who receive them, complicate the matter further by making many Americans feel like they are getting a gift on tax day, rather than giving their hard-earned money to the government under threat of violence. - Reason, Nobody's perfect.
I'm not an absolutist when it comes to human beings, must be my Christian upbringing and its message about redemption. But, doesn't mean we forget the past.
Forgiving is easy - but forgetting takes the longest time.
That's what I've been thinking ever this Great Reset Agenda 2030 thing came out. They are selling snake oil with these sustainability goals (communism). They say they can end world poverty even though we have been ending it for years by making everyone in the world richer and making technology cheaper. Why destroy everyone's way of life on a system with a horrible track record? The global technocrats aren't altruistic at all as some people claim, they don't even think they are. They want to kill billions in reality because we are "overpopulated". A city in China can hold 50+ million people. Everyone in the world could live in a NYC the size of Texas if we needed to. They are just pure evil, that's it.
If you actually look at that graph there’s a noticeable dip around the ‘70s, because that’s when even China realised that Marx’s economic theories were sloppy dog shit. They kept the authoritarianism, though, they liked that bit.
This is how commies operate. Absolute poverty was decreasing so fast under capitalism they had to shift the goalposts to "relative poverty". That is if you're fat, have a cellphone, cable TV, two cars and a house (in other words, you live better than a king did 200 years ago), and you make less than average you're now "poor".
There will always be people who make less than average. They created a bogus metric that will never end.
As a side-note about Capitalism, you either want Capitalism, or you want Socialism. None of the mixed economy garbage, it's why the Government's gotten so big anyways. I know I want an absolute free market, not the "free market" we have here.
Fun fact: not only is the percentage of people now living in absolute poverty lower than it has ever been, the absolute number of people is also lower. Which given the massive spike in population is quite incredible.
Life is better today than it has ever been, by pretty much any measure you choose: education, poverty, wealth, sanitation, nutrition, mortality, etc. But if you ask people for example has global poverty gone up/gone down/stayed the same in the last few decades, they all think it’s gone up or at best stayed the same. In reality it’s dropped dramatically - in the last few decades alone over a billion people have been lifted out of poverty worldwide, essentially by free markets. That’s over a BILLION PEOPLE. We don’t need a reset, we just need more of the same.
Reddit!!? Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.... Your ideas interest me and I would indeed like to subscribe to your newsletter but I’m not going back to Reddit. Not even for Uncle Milt!!
Why would anyone like, let alone love this joker who is the cause of statistical analysis of unemployment vs, actual count...statistical census vs actual census, makes zero sense. His "Chicago School of Economics" is responsible for most of the crap we've had running in gov't since 1980.
The son of a bitch was instrumental in implementing the mechanism of withholding income taxes. They did it to finance WWII. Fine. Should have abandoned it in 1946.
I love that one. Honestly, watching some of his old debates on youtube is great. It's a hell of a lot more civil than the pundit shows of today. People sitting, and having a free exchange of ideas, listening to points and counterpoints and no screeching. It's quaint.
Love Milton Friedman!
“People vote with their feet”
He had such charm and was also 100% a savage in debates or when answering questions at events.
That was my favourite. He was savage and brutal but always with a smile. I loved it
Drug legalization isn't about what is morally right, but what has the least amount of problems associated with it. The market will fill the demand. I would rather deal with a stoner than organized crime.
Legalize all of the non-addictive drugs. Let Darwin solve some of society's problems.
All drugs are addictive. Any substance that creates a novel conscious experience can become a dependency.
With that said, any and all drugs should be legal.
I work my ass off so that on the weekend I can do whatever the fuck I want. You can have your shit together and enjoy altering your conscious.
By telling me I can't have sovereignty over my own mind you are falling into the same wrong think trap that you so vehemently hate.
This is just like guns. It has nothing to do with the substance, they are tools for enjoyment by responsible adults. This is about bad, stupid people. They exsist in a vacuum. They will exsist with drugs, they will exsist without them.
Exactly this. Plus, the Drug War has been a demonstrable failure of government policy for years, creating the illegal immigration crisis we see today.
The only problem with this is that we have a welfare state keeping all of Darwin's "finest" artificially alive, only to the effect of growing in number & killing their host (us).
I will be never be comfortable with legalizing drugs until after the social
safety nettrap that I am unwillingly entangled in is dismantled, so that I am much less likely to be taxed to Hell & dragged down by other's dumb decisions. I'd be A-Ok then, but good luck getting rid of the gimmes.It is exactly about a moral right. You are free to cause harm to yourself. But you have no moral position to assert your lifestyle upon others by the force of the government. Libertarianism is not based on pragmatism or utilitarianism.
Just as the abolishment of slavery wasn't either. Yet it lead to a massive boom in technology and prosperity.
That said, I think drug consumption is pathetic.
And be reminded, if daddy government is the hand that feeds you welfare, of course it also has to be the hand that slaps you. This is how socialism asserts more and more control over people's lives. In Germany you have something like 1€/h labor handed over by the government to corporations. They are still paid by welfare - so effectively this is tax payer paid slavery - the costs of labor are socialized on behalf of corporations.
Still railing against libertarians instead of communists, I see. Obviously you're an authoritarian shill.
Lolbtardatians are the reasons why the right is weak and also their ideology cannot work in current day America.
Friedman's policies lead to an impoverished working-class who will vote commie to "save them" (sic) from the poverty created by Lolbetarian policy.
This is not an accident. The Bolsheviks run a "right flank" to create the conditions which make communism popular. That's what the "neo-cons" and "libertarians" ARE - the Bolshevik's Right Flank.
Destroying the Family with drugs, prostitution, and pro-degenerate-pervert policy is more of the same.
Adding to that fatherlessness/motherlessness by criminalizing it and throwing drug users in jail hasn't exactly helped though. Legal or not, people are gonna use drugs. The question is, do we send them to jail for it? I can't see why we would. It doesn't save us any money, it doesn't solve the problem, it doesn't prevent the problem, what the hell is the point?
MILTON FRIEDMAN IS A COMPLETE DUMBASS THAT HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MISES AND AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS
Found the retard guys!
Friedman cured me of my leftism, Thomas Sowell taught me how to think rationally and Mises is for when I hit my weed pen. I would probably be an antifa-soy-sipper had it not been for these incredible people. They got a lot right.
Surely Friedman is not as bad as you purport?
G-go back to r/GoldAndBack Lolbertard. /s justincase
Care to explain???
Are you stupid?
Amazingly enough, not long after I started consuming all things Friedman and Thomas Sowell - my wife pointed out that I was passing by Milton's signature daily. Turns out he officiated my wife's grandparent's wedding way back in the day! I was passing by his signature on their framed wedding license hanging in our own home - how cool is that?! LOL 😂
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8qFTzVt/x/c/1BkUet71pR !!!! lemme know, I've been looking for my peepl, invites soon
MILTON FRIEDMAN IS A COMPLETE DUMBASS THAT HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MISES AND AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS
Such a bold claim in all caps- maybe a link to the best presentation of your views?
All economic schools are actually in part political ideology, hence in the UK it’s rightly called political economy. There are economists who seek to understand what is whereas others seem to spend most of their careers arguing for what could be / shouldn’t be. And there is definitely room for both. What I know for sure is that theoretical mathematical models of human behavior will always fall short. People aren’t perfectly rational to put it nicely. It will be hard to quantify certain aspects of the whims of consumers. It’s also nearly impossible to predict what might trigger social unrest.
Von Mises is epic. The Tom Woods Show has great guests that further explain Austrian Economics.
Friedman is pretty lit, but he didn't go far enough. He also invented withholding tax... hmmm. Kinda sad that his actions nullified a lot of his talk. https://reason.com/2016/04/18/milton-friedman-helped-invent-income-tax/
Throw a little Peter Schiff in the mix fam.
Milton Berle wasn't to shabby either.
Milton Hershey and Milton Bradley weren't too shabby either. Man, Miltons really punch above their weight.
I prefer Milton Waddams.
big grains of salt!
I'm disappointed no-one has mentioned the King of the Miltons - Milton the Monster =/
What about John Milton?
He's good, but he's no Milton Obote.
Idi Amin Dada enters to overthrow the chat
Reading Capitalism and Freedom turned me from liberal to conservative as a teen. Guy really knew how to communicate.
Agreed. I was hooked when he succinctly dismantled young Michael Moore's emotional argument about assigning a prescribed value to a human life and punishing a company vs the concept of ensuring that laws exist to compel companies to provide consumers with the necessary information to make an informed, risk/reward decision (else be punished). Two totally different concepts laid bare with brutal honesty regarding free will. The "Free to Choose" vids are terrific! https://youtu.be/Bb7Fi8I-qOk
That was Moore? Looks like Michael Less.
Ahahaha! Michael Moore, proving that commies always have and always will be smoothbrains.
If you enjoyed that I would recommend Rothbard's What Has Government Done to Our Money
Rothbard = based
I liked the book, too, overall. I disagreed with the part where higher education should be tax-payer funded, because he is an academician after all.
Yeah he had some significant wacky new policy ideas that actually had/would've had terrible consequences. Sometimes people like him who think so theoretically can be the worst at foreseeing practical outcomes. His big picture explanations are valuable despite it though. Same with lots of philosophers, like Aristotle, obviously one of the greats of civilization despite his fucked views on slavery and women.
We need more Friedman memes!
Deep Friedman memes!
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8qFTzVt/x/c/1BkUet71pR !!! lemme know, will send invites out
And Rothbard, Hoppe, Ayn Rand is memes all the way down...
Other than Hoppe, who has some redeeming qualities, why would we spread foreign-memes that undermine the mores/morals/ethics of Western-Christian civilization?
That man got me through so many essays in business school
Free to choose was the best.
Especially the ones that had young Thomas Sowell beating up on old communist women.
It's hard to believe that PBS actually carried that series at one point in time.
The old Firing Lines with William Buckley are good too.
The series is currently free on Amazon Prime. Highly recommend...
The Plot Against the President is as well.
You probably get added to AOC's list if you watch them though.
I’d be more offended if Donkey Face didn’t put me on her little hit list.
Holy fuck I’ve been trying to place it for years, but finally yes! She looks like a donkey !
She’s got a donkey face and donkey brains.
Donkey breath too 😷
From my dick
She doesn't have a certificate saying otherwise, so, confirmed!
Hunter: Hi, I'm a recovering crack addict and this is my Donkey Brains sidekick, we'd like to be President please.
She could eat an apple from the other side of a chain link fence.
Yep same. I have it on our Plex server (fuck Netflix) and tell everyone I know to watch it.
Those were EXCELLENT, should be must watch even today
It was pitched as an opposing view to John Kenneth Galbraith and his age of uncertainty show. Galbraith has been torn apart by Friedman and Sowell.
Facts! Watching Milton Friedman and young Thomas Sowell made me based beyond belief, and able to easily destroy stupid commie arguments.
me, 100%. https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8qFTzVt/x/c/1BkUet71pR lemme know if you'd like an invite too
I wonder how long until leftist change the definition of poverty to suit their agenda.
They already have, leftist are obsessed with wealth disparity while completely missing the point that disparity isn't what matters. What matters is what fraction of your population you can get over the poverty line into self-sufficient employment. Capitalism does that with the side effect that some people get stupid rich. Meanwhile communism fixes wealth disparity since everybody is equally poor, except that's not true either since communist nations (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, China) have the absolute worst wealth disparity as well.
Yeah I don’t really give a shit about how rich the richest become as long as they aren’t trying to fuck the middle class over. Like there’s gonna be rich people, no matter what. But I’m fine with that as long as they are like Trump and give a shit about the rest of us instead of trying to put their thumb in our eye every goddamn second. Plus, under Trump, the wealth gap actually decreased.
Can’t agree more! I know there’s actually a lot of rich patriots that are giving back to their country, it’s just that you have many more bastards like Bezos/Gates/Zuckerberg/Dorsey that are fucking with the rest of us!
Trump is a godsend!
Joe Biden is a great example of NOT being a giver
https://spectator.org/joe-biden-tax-returns-charity-donations-2019/
Exactly, I never wanted the property of millionaires - it's their private jet and golden toilet, not mine, let them have it, as long as it's not to my detriment. All I want is a comfortable middle-class living, that's enough.
The core of what propels the left is envy, they want all that wealth for themselves.
Well said. Left wants all the power too...
True, in the past i would focus on and bitch about wealth disparity in a sense. Then i just shut up about it and went to work. Bought a house a few years later and been on the up and up. This is coming from some one who grew up poor, section 8, trailers, no father figures etc. Just takes hard work and the ability to grind and save.
Inspiring story pede! Everyone can succeed and make it better for themselves in this country! That’s what I love about it! The land of opportunities and the Commies are trying to rob people of their opportunities!
Yeah im an average dude so I feel if i can do it most people can. Haha
Bitching about it is what holds most people back from realizing that disparity can be overcome by hard work.
I consider myself fortunate to have had challenges in my upbringing. It made me work harder, and become a much more successful person today.
I've never had a lot of money. I can honestly say some of my happiest times were when I was the poorest. Now I'm happy to just to have a dishwasher and an airconditioner at the same time. Goals: Be cool while rejoicing over the fact I never have to wash another dish I'm a simple girl.
Ha ha dishwashers drive me nuts. I love washing them by hand.
And just then the government comes in, crushes your career so that 90 year olds have a better chance of living another year.
It's because modern communists base their world view around a Marxist lens. They believe all humans are equal and that any differences in outcome must be due to some sort of oppression that must be corrected for. They refuse to accept inequality because to them inequality of any kind is proof of oppression. That's where all this Critical Race Theory and other garbage ideologies come from. It's egalitarianism taken to the extreme where everyone's outcome becomes the exact same. They completely deny the individual's free will and how people can in fact be better than others at things.
They all think they would be CEO of the company if it weren't for their oppression.
It's hilarious how this view that all humans are equal follows through, if all humans are equal, then all lives are worth the same, and if there's that many people then individual lives are worthless.
Yep, it's the Peter Singer paradox - if you're compelled to altruism, then everyone is a slave to everyone else. Ayn Rand - I don't care how cliche she is - demolished that bullshit line of reasoning for me, we are free individuals before anything else.
I believe all humans are equal.
Pareto distributions are real. Socialists can wail and scream all they want about them. They'll institute any policy, no matter how crazy if they can flatten one out for just a few years before it returns to form. As far as I can tell they're close enough to immutable that the Socialists may as well declare that gravity is a social construct we're a few policy changes away from fixing.
Great explanation. I would add that wealth mobility also matters, and is only possible in a free market. Even with high wealth disparity, the US has historically had immense turnover in the highest and lowest earners as people move up and down depending on their work and risks. The left likes to mock "oh working poor in the US think they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires" as if that's unrealistic. Nope, if the government doesn't get in your way, you actually can earn more and achieve the American dream.
Bout 10 more minutes
They'll change it to 'if you have to work in order to maintain your housing, food, healthcare, etc, you're in poverty'. Calling it now. They want to destroy the idea of having to work for what's yours and keeping yourself alive. They want to stigmatize the entire idea of self-sufficiency or needing to trade your labor for the means of living life.
"Poverty does not only pertain to an individual's current financial means. Real poverty can only be achieved when there is also emotional poverty or fulfillment poverty, which white people have never experienced." Nobody has said this yet, but they probably will
Already have.
The only people that live in absolute poverty in America, do so by choice.
In America, our "poor" people are fat.
They muddy the waters on this point by saying that "Unhealthy food is cheap, causing obesity in poor people."
Completely ignores that our inexpensive food is laden with calories.
They also ignore the fact you can buy a dozen carrots, 1 lb of snap beans, 1 onion, a clove a garlic all for under $5, then get a whole chicken $5 and snag a salt and pepper packet from the McDonalds on the way out.
Literally had this argument today with someone earlier. Explained to them that eating healthy food is actually much cheaper and what you end up doing if you are actually poor...
Their weak ass counterpoint was that poor people are too exhausted from working to cook and clean.
Yeah, fat poor people could simply eat less food, even if that claim were true. They are eating a calorie surplus, and this is a thermodynamic “science fact”
OMG that argument is the biggest load of bullshit out there isn't it? It's still cheaper to buy decent food and cook it yourself. It's nothing but an excuse for being fat AND lazy.
and they all have smart phones, amazon prime, and netflix.
edit: you can get amazon prime for dirt cheap if you receive government assistance. poor people in the US live much better than middle class people in most other countries in the world.
They'd hate living in Australia and have to pay what we do for internet/streaming/phones. We get price gouged with the old "but your country is so far away" bullshit. IKEA had to drop their prices across the board here - they got caught out adding WAY over the actual cost of shipping their furniture to us.
Fact
Or they're mentally ill, unable to care for themselves and we shut down the mental hospitals that were there to help them. Thanks ACLU.
Very well said. I think more young Americans need to actually travel the world, and they would see that. And, I'm not talking about that one senior trip to Cancun that mommy and daddy paid for.
THOMAS FUCKING SOWELL
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” - Mark Twain
Sowell is a genius. Shame this man isn’t a household name. He should be looked up to by every black man.
He is not a leftist.the most popular black men in America academia are mostly leftists or people who have aligned historically with the left to gain either money or status.
more like those boondogles to europe on the college loan dime
The Future will have almost no poverty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd9nhrlZFx0&list=PLmvUyUoRmaxP-ZrPlEg7F3syasHt9txlH&index=2&t=44s
Milton Friedman should be required viewing and reading in public schools. This country would be in a much better position if that were the case.
It would be beautiful even just hearing how how respectfully dialogues, But they can’t have that the schools are controlled by govt and govt is a parasite that sucks power from the people . So they use compulsory education to groom the perfect specimens to leech from. Also why they took vocational training out of schools can’t have them knowing life skills to be free.
Communist ideals wound not have infected our culture and institutions.
fucking based boys
Timeless, based snippet from the GOAT
My dad raised me on Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. Never heard about them in school though.
lucky, I found them way later in life and it was like the scene in wizard of oz where the movie switches to color.
Greed is a human condition, it's not a capitalist condition.
I would say that communists suffer from greed (and envy) more than most capitalists do.
Milton Friedman's was so lucid.
Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell are my heroes!
Yes! I'm starting a Friedman/Hayek/Sowell/Mises Meets Donald private subreddit with invites if any of you guys are interested. It's great here, but I'm really into econ and market "theory"
it'd be cool to have a sAfE sPaCe for shooting the shit etc. If you're down, I can get you all invites.
Yes, I know Austrian and Chicago are at odds but relative to the rest of the population they may as well be two slightly different shades of mustard.
Sure thing. Sounds like something I would like.
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Would be interesting, count me in.
Sounds like a good idea.
Invite plz
Hayek, too!
https://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc
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Same!
ditto
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And the only people who are still living in absolute poverty today are people trapped in communist shitholes like Venezuela or San Franshitsco, or African countries dominated by the CCP.
Yessir. Sheer coincidence I assure you
Exactly.
I love his capitalism pencil analogy
Go on?
it's this right here I believe
this is why centralized economies are doomed to fail, they don't control enough of the world's resources and geography to be able to contain all that effort within a single nation for nothing more than a cheap ass pencil that's probably worth less than a quarter per unit. in the 30s and 40s fascist and communist governments tried to follow a policy of autarky, which is complete economic autonomy. it's precisely what caused the axis powers to fail as they did not have a robust enough production capability to sustain long term warfare. something so simple, and so absolutely minute in the considerations of your daily life as a pencil, required the resources and labor of people from all corners of the globe. What hope could a government have to be able to know to the extent necessary the same amounts of material, labor, and international cooperation that is needed to produce a single unit of this good, when they then have as their responsibility the entire economy of a nation state?
this is a long video, one you are therefore unlikely to watch, but I post it anyway in the hopes that at least 1 person that reads this would. The Soviet Union, undoubtedly one of the most powerful nations of the Earth in its day, the implacable foe of the United States, was simultaneously considered to be a modern and powerful nation and yet was one of the few nations on Earth that even into the 1980s had the year's grain harvest as being of national concern. When you have multiple bureaucratic offices dedicated specifically to overseeing the distribution of resources for farmers to farm grain, how could some pencil pushing urbanite ever have any idea how much fertilizer every farm in the country would need, how to coordinate the distribution, how to even go about creating it within your own country if you've forbidden trade with non-Communist nations? This is a recipe for disaster and how you end up with so many famines in these countries, the people making the decisions for who gets what are not the people actually making the goods, harvesting the crops, running the factories. Many of them scoff in disbelief thinking that such a lowly thing as a pencil would have so much labor and resources going into its production. If something so small could be that difficult to bring the necessary materials together to achieve its creation, how then can you dare to dream of a future where you bring together the materials necessary to create a Lunar shuttle? An artificial heart? A nuclear reactor?
Definetly queuing that one up for later, a fascinating topic.
This is the same notion that kills me why so many people in my field (software development) seem to be becoming full-blown communists. Of all people programmers should know that communism is doomed to failure. Every modern idea in software from OOP to actor models to FP to distributed systems is built around the core concept of separating problems up into independently functioning units to control complexity. That's all programmers really do 8 hours a day every day, look at large complex systems and break them down into smaller systems.
Yet now when we look at a system like the economy of a nation with more inherent complexity than any program ever written, programmers look at that and think "yeah central planning will totally work brah"
a very wise man once told me that the difference between left and right often comes down to the thinking that leftists have where they think the only reason problems haven't been solved yet is that there just isn't sufficient desire to actually solve these problems, and if they just throw more money, "experts", time, and so forth at it, eventually there won't be any more war or disease or crime or anything bad ever
people on the right realize that the universe is a fucked up place, and often all it takes for something to go wrong is just that somebody's got a screw loose or it just wasn't your day. Instead they live life by the mantra that life sucks, and you should wear a helmet. People, and especially their governments, should be focused less on fixing problems and more on just not making the problem any god damn worse, which in practice often boils down to "just let me handle this myself"
of course those are all gross oversimplifications but I'm trying to paraphrase something I heard almost 15 years ago
at any rate, I fuckin love that guy TIK, extraordinary historian and his platform being on Youtube instead of a university means he has the ability to do controversial things like say socialism doesn't work.
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This is a good version.
https://youtu.be/R5Gppi-O3a8
That was worth the watch. The really interesting thing about capitalism that is always lost in the conversation in comparison to communism is how completely adaptable it is. All those little nodes in the family tree of the pencil are independent agents looking to optimize their own little part of the world. All of those micro optimizations add up to an exponential increase in the efficiency of a civilization.
Meanwhile on the communist side, top down control dictates what goes where, goods are moved around based on currying party favor, and waste runs rampant.
"markets" are merely options for people, governments are coercive monopolies. damn, I love capitalism.
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Capitalism, bitches.
Got any links to the original graph??
If only he hadn't helped create the modern tax system, aka - the withholding tax.
I'm not an absolutist when it comes to human beings, must be my Christian upbringing and its message about redemption. But, doesn't mean we forget the past.
Forgiving is easy - but forgetting takes the longest time.
I think they only "pretend" to forget. They keep notes, like making lists. Very selective!
It's like trying to debate a person who is intellectually dishonest - there's no point.
It seems that's where we are...
Conservatives, undeservedly perhaps - have for a long time used the elephant as a political mascot.
Elephants are attributed with long memories - and also renowned for their loyalty and steadfastness.
I don't think the GOP lived up to those ideals very well - outside the Remnant.
Yeah, I love Friedman but that was a terrible move. Taxation should hurt!
It should - because it does.
Otherwise it's like an abused woman who is given flowers from her own garden by her husband after he beats her up.
What alternative taxation system do you desire ?
You can boil a frog or eat it outright.
Take your pick.
One gives the frog a nice warm cozy feeling before the end.
Rothbard is better.
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I'm not making another plebbit account. Let me know if you decide to use a different platform for something similar.
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That's what I've been thinking ever this Great Reset Agenda 2030 thing came out. They are selling snake oil with these sustainability goals (communism). They say they can end world poverty even though we have been ending it for years by making everyone in the world richer and making technology cheaper. Why destroy everyone's way of life on a system with a horrible track record? The global technocrats aren't altruistic at all as some people claim, they don't even think they are. They want to kill billions in reality because we are "overpopulated". A city in China can hold 50+ million people. Everyone in the world could live in a NYC the size of Texas if we needed to. They are just pure evil, that's it.
Milton is the best. Love watching his old lectures and interviews.
My favourite parts of those is when the hippies & commies ask him stupid questions at the end, and he hands their asses back to them on a platter 😎
Yes! He has a very good way of explaining things so they're easy to understand and you can see it click on them when he does that!
Miton Friedman also said trade with china's good for us, he was dead wrong on that, and the logic behind why that's bad is easy.
I would take a bullet for MF. Maybe even before GEOTUS.
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BASED.
COMMUNISTS ARE THE VIOLENT UNHINGED VERSION OF FLAT EARTHERS IN ECONOMICS
Milton Friedman is what Ben Shapiro wishes he could be.
CAN’T GUILT THE MILT
If you actually look at that graph there’s a noticeable dip around the ‘70s, because that’s when even China realised that Marx’s economic theories were sloppy dog shit. They kept the authoritarianism, though, they liked that bit.
Democrats wouldn't dare fuck around and use his name in their voter fraud bullshit.
He'd haunt them from the grave.
This is how commies operate. Absolute poverty was decreasing so fast under capitalism they had to shift the goalposts to "relative poverty". That is if you're fat, have a cellphone, cable TV, two cars and a house (in other words, you live better than a king did 200 years ago), and you make less than average you're now "poor".
There will always be people who make less than average. They created a bogus metric that will never end.
Milton Freedman FTW!
As a side-note about Capitalism, you either want Capitalism, or you want Socialism. None of the mixed economy garbage, it's why the Government's gotten so big anyways. I know I want an absolute free market, not the "free market" we have here.
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Totally down! Feel free to send me an invitation once it's up, and running! :)
Milton Friedman was the greatest economist of all time, and just awesome all around.
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Who, GEOTUS?
STFU is a funny way of spelling "die"
Milton Friedman.....THE PENCIL
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Fun fact: not only is the percentage of people now living in absolute poverty lower than it has ever been, the absolute number of people is also lower. Which given the massive spike in population is quite incredible.
Life is better today than it has ever been, by pretty much any measure you choose: education, poverty, wealth, sanitation, nutrition, mortality, etc. But if you ask people for example has global poverty gone up/gone down/stayed the same in the last few decades, they all think it’s gone up or at best stayed the same. In reality it’s dropped dramatically - in the last few decades alone over a billion people have been lifted out of poverty worldwide, essentially by free markets. That’s over a BILLION PEOPLE. We don’t need a reset, we just need more of the same.
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Reddit!!? Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.... Your ideas interest me and I would indeed like to subscribe to your newsletter but I’m not going back to Reddit. Not even for Uncle Milt!!
private subreddit lol, no normies allowed !
Intention doesn't matter. Outcomes do.
Not gonna lie. Did not expect seeing this upon refreshing .
Anyone have a link to the original image? Could use it in some conversations.
Biased.
You must be a tax and spend Keynesian!
Deep fried, I like it.
We need major action. Major action. Set up a rally Mr. President and ASK US! We WILL HELP!
Milton Friedman is the best
Why would anyone like, let alone love this joker who is the cause of statistical analysis of unemployment vs, actual count...statistical census vs actual census, makes zero sense. His "Chicago School of Economics" is responsible for most of the crap we've had running in gov't since 1980.
Ive only read a few passing articles on Friedman, can anyone recommend which book would be best to get an overall view of his ideology and teachings?
Don’t worry! I’m sure Biden will claim credit for eliminating poverty before he’s even given the Presidency.
Well, if 0bama said he'd lower the sea levels, eliminating poverty should be a cinch in comparison.
The son of a bitch was instrumental in implementing the mechanism of withholding income taxes. They did it to finance WWII. Fine. Should have abandoned it in 1946.
I love that one. Honestly, watching some of his old debates on youtube is great. It's a hell of a lot more civil than the pundit shows of today. People sitting, and having a free exchange of ideas, listening to points and counterpoints and no screeching. It's quaint.
I love Milton Friedman.
Freidman is the John the Babtist of economists.
This dude is The Godfather of this whole thing, man. He opened my eyes many years ago.