I don’t like the Libertarian party, because they only seem to care about legalizing pot, their candidate Joe Jorgeson did nothing to condemn BLM, in fact, her campaign thanked BLM protesters, the party doesn’t want a wall, they want open immigration, and honestly, what would they have done about the riots?
More than that. She told the Libertarians that they have to be against racism. Actively. Which is as anti-libertarian as one can get almost.
Libertarians have a great idea that won't work in today's world. Don't forget that Pinochet saved Chile by instituting Libertarian ideas, mainly the economist of the Australian School of economics...while he was a benevolent dictctator. Pinochet ruled with an iron fist, but the economy of the country recovered and is still better than the rest of the commie South/Central America's because of the Libertarian ideas on economy. So I know that a Libertarian style of economy would work under a benevolent dictator, who, just like the Pinochet would step down after the work has been done. Actually this is the only peaceful solution to our commie problem. It won't happen though.
Also if you believe that the Libertarians voted for Jo you are mistaken. The votes weren't only switched to Biden, the Libertarian party also benefited from the steal.
I don’t think there would ever be a case in which a dictatorship is good, even with a “good” dictator, because it sets a precedent, and what if Trump turned on conservatism, then we would be screwed. We don’t believe in a person, but an ideology. Conservatism, is which Donald Trump is the champion of, and no man could do what he has done, because of his beliefs, because of his position, and because of the American people’s beliefs too.
And I don't know if I agree anon. Poland gained independence and kept it because of a benevolent dictator who stepped down when his work was done. Sometimes the dictator is the only thing that can work. I am not saying to count on one because the benevolent dictators are extremely rare, so rare in fact that I can count them on my fingers for the entire Western civilization so the Republic is the best option. The problem, right now is that the Republic has been subverted and is closer to a Democracy aka the mob rule now than ever.
I don't have all the answers, obviously but I would like us to ho back to a Constitutional Representative Republic where the Senators aren't chosen by the popular vote for example.
I know that.I am just going after dysfunctional libertarians who think we shouldn't go after big tech because of "much free-market" especially when the market is not free at the moment.
I have met them on other platforms. here is for more libertarian conservatives. the libertarian group on Reddit is pure cancer.
some libertarians here also preach too much "free market"; I guess you are a balanced person.
I don't see many Libertarians who actually understand what these tech companies are saying "free-market" they know very well that these companies are NOT a free market because they are oligopolies with the dark ties to the government.
I used to be "muh net neutrality!!!!" forever lol but as far as big tech these mfers are literally censoring a SITTING PRESIDENT. Not only telling him he's "wrong" but they are often lying themselves when they do it. The most egregious recently is them noting in response to him claiming victory: "Official sources have called this differently". The irony is the POTUS is as official of a source as it gets, the media like CNN, Fox, AP, etc.....is NOT an offiicial source! They are straight up liars. Big tech needs to be broken up big time. I'm fine with people who want to do their drugs in their own capacity, marry who they want, and other personal freedom choices. But big tech is in many ways more powerful than entire governments with the power to control information flow. Google, Facebook and Twitter have been WAY out of control for years.
Dave Smith is a libertarian and constantly trashes this concept. Michael Malice said it’s like getting cold food served to you at a restaurant and chalking it up to the free market instead of complaining.
I would submit that this is an issue of over regulation and existing intervention. The barriers to start a business, especially in the finance sector, that could compete with PayPal are astronomical. Short term, I would say as long as those barriers exist we need to have laws against this behavior. Long term, barriers need to be removed to encourage competition. It’s similar to the immigration issue. I’d be for more immigration if welfare, entitlements, and other government market forces didn’t exist. Along as they exist, however, immigration needs to be extremely restricted to benefit Americans.
Be leftist, infiltrate organization, destroy reputation. Libertarians are here.
Be libertarians, literally be the first on board trumps campaign and constantly pushing his deregulatory economic stance and his anti war platform. Half of Trump's base is here and still libertarian.
Be you, one of many ill read and hot headed young men in our movement, fall for leftist D&C campaign and purposefully continue to misunderstand the difference between actual libertarianism and some organization that calls itself Libertarian.
Lol.no need for the pettiness.I know a lot of conservatives have taken the libertarian mindset and it is worrying to me especially when we are at war with a collective force like the Left.
I also know that the libertarian party and leaders are mostly clowns who just want much pot and other forms of degeneracy, some are mostly anarcho-communists.I just asked what they can do at the moment to help us because lot of conservatives are being targeted online?
Corporations are not free market. They are maintained by reams of anti-competitive regulation enacted by their lobbyists in DC and protected with liability shielding. They are practically extensions of the government as their monopoly in business is maintained by a government's monopoly on force.
Also the corporations are "people" which makes no sense. This was the biggest mistake (that was done on purpose) since 19th century when this idiocy was litigated.
Rip away their governmental protection, let lawyers sue them into oblivion and let agile small businesses devour their market share. Then there will be a decentralizing of the economy and a decentralizing of the rewards of industry.
The Trump admin seems to want to align corporate power with American prosperity by using tariffs and incentivizing investment. It is more of a mercantilist system which is proven historically to generate a lot of wealth. It still leaves us with diminished freedom in some ways, however. Taking down corporations' unholy union with government will encounter a lot of resistance from the revolving door of corporate and government leadership and is more of a long term goal as a steady erosion leading to another American revolution. I don't think it can be achieved solely through government power and would instead come about through spreading principles of freedom. The American colonists also struggled against oppressive English corporations and the Founding Fathers found ways to limit corporate power, at least in the beginning.
Absolutely NOT, They took votes from Trump. I had a long discussion with Rep. Ron Paul In 1988 when he ran for office of the President. I told him he would never get elected as a libertarian and was proved right. He also agreed that an “income tax” on wages and earning was unconstitutional, however he ran on a 10% flat tax that is also unconstitutional. His son Rand Paul is also a libertarian. Both only got elected running as Republicans.
honestly, play the scenario out, including with banks. it ends up a net positive.
meaning: would you rather have R/t_d right now or this dom right here?
even if it happens with banks, it's a net positive. look at all the corruption Trump has brought attention to just by being himself, in every aspect of our lives. if banks start doing this- which some of them already have- we will learn they are pyramid schemes that need us, not vice-versa.
if we could start thinking longterm..well, it's hard for me to do that usually. see: me telling ticktocks to shove their predictions up their asses until something happens.
but Paypal is a PIECE OF SHIT. always has been. now this is getting exposed to more people. and theere are ALREADY alternatives for this exact reason. this is my point. libertarians, although smelly, aren't always wrong about everything.
I'm pretty disgusted politically. Libertarian leanings who thinks that prettymuch the only thing that matters is the Bill of Rights. Although I'm disappointed w/Trump on that front, I'm 100000000% on board with you all here. Been pushing back against this totalitarian shit since...hmmm...before lots of you were born? One point you might be missing in the vs. Big Tech conversation: These monster MNCs (multi-nationals) are effectively governments themselves - complete with laws (eulas, etc.), currencies, armies (look into the mercenary armies of big oil, among others). I don't think most of us in our right minds think that's "free market".
that is the truth,I tell people that big tech and pharma are not successes of capitalism but successes of corporatism which is government attaching themselves to big business.it is the case in Venezuela; the only thing is that these American companies are more sophisticated.
Oh, and don't conflate the modern Libertarian Party with libertarian values (for want of a better phrase). They've lost their way in a big way in the last twenty years or so.
So in a word, "yes" - we absolutely can and do help the cause. The Deep State has declared war on us, too. We value principles and act on them. No better allies to be found.
It would help if those myopic motherfuckers would stop voting for Marxism
I don’t like the Libertarian party, because they only seem to care about legalizing pot, their candidate Joe Jorgeson did nothing to condemn BLM, in fact, her campaign thanked BLM protesters, the party doesn’t want a wall, they want open immigration, and honestly, what would they have done about the riots?
More than that. She told the Libertarians that they have to be against racism. Actively. Which is as anti-libertarian as one can get almost. Libertarians have a great idea that won't work in today's world. Don't forget that Pinochet saved Chile by instituting Libertarian ideas, mainly the economist of the Australian School of economics...while he was a benevolent dictctator. Pinochet ruled with an iron fist, but the economy of the country recovered and is still better than the rest of the commie South/Central America's because of the Libertarian ideas on economy. So I know that a Libertarian style of economy would work under a benevolent dictator, who, just like the Pinochet would step down after the work has been done. Actually this is the only peaceful solution to our commie problem. It won't happen though. Also if you believe that the Libertarians voted for Jo you are mistaken. The votes weren't only switched to Biden, the Libertarian party also benefited from the steal.
I don’t think there would ever be a case in which a dictatorship is good, even with a “good” dictator, because it sets a precedent, and what if Trump turned on conservatism, then we would be screwed. We don’t believe in a person, but an ideology. Conservatism, is which Donald Trump is the champion of, and no man could do what he has done, because of his beliefs, because of his position, and because of the American people’s beliefs too.
And I don't know if I agree anon. Poland gained independence and kept it because of a benevolent dictator who stepped down when his work was done. Sometimes the dictator is the only thing that can work. I am not saying to count on one because the benevolent dictators are extremely rare, so rare in fact that I can count them on my fingers for the entire Western civilization so the Republic is the best option. The problem, right now is that the Republic has been subverted and is closer to a Democracy aka the mob rule now than ever. I don't have all the answers, obviously but I would like us to ho back to a Constitutional Representative Republic where the Senators aren't chosen by the popular vote for example.
I'm somewhat libertarian. I voted for Trump, you gotta be out your god damn mind if you don't vote Trump no matter what your politics are.
I know that.I am just going after dysfunctional libertarians who think we shouldn't go after big tech because of "much free-market" especially when the market is not free at the moment.
Why would you think leftists who call themselves libertarian socialists would be here?
I have met them on other platforms. here is for more libertarian conservatives. the libertarian group on Reddit is pure cancer. some libertarians here also preach too much "free market"; I guess you are a balanced person.
Libertarian group on reddit? Thats like going to r/twoxchromosomes and then coming here and asking why all women have dicks and five o clock shadows
I don't see many Libertarians who actually understand what these tech companies are saying "free-market" they know very well that these companies are NOT a free market because they are oligopolies with the dark ties to the government.
I used to be "muh net neutrality!!!!" forever lol but as far as big tech these mfers are literally censoring a SITTING PRESIDENT. Not only telling him he's "wrong" but they are often lying themselves when they do it. The most egregious recently is them noting in response to him claiming victory: "Official sources have called this differently". The irony is the POTUS is as official of a source as it gets, the media like CNN, Fox, AP, etc.....is NOT an offiicial source! They are straight up liars. Big tech needs to be broken up big time. I'm fine with people who want to do their drugs in their own capacity, marry who they want, and other personal freedom choices. But big tech is in many ways more powerful than entire governments with the power to control information flow. Google, Facebook and Twitter have been WAY out of control for years.
Dave Smith is a libertarian and constantly trashes this concept. Michael Malice said it’s like getting cold food served to you at a restaurant and chalking it up to the free market instead of complaining.
your solution?
I would submit that this is an issue of over regulation and existing intervention. The barriers to start a business, especially in the finance sector, that could compete with PayPal are astronomical. Short term, I would say as long as those barriers exist we need to have laws against this behavior. Long term, barriers need to be removed to encourage competition. It’s similar to the immigration issue. I’d be for more immigration if welfare, entitlements, and other government market forces didn’t exist. Along as they exist, however, immigration needs to be extremely restricted to benefit Americans.
Let’s ban Pay Pal then.
Be leftist, infiltrate organization, destroy reputation. Libertarians are here.
Be libertarians, literally be the first on board trumps campaign and constantly pushing his deregulatory economic stance and his anti war platform. Half of Trump's base is here and still libertarian.
Be you, one of many ill read and hot headed young men in our movement, fall for leftist D&C campaign and purposefully continue to misunderstand the difference between actual libertarianism and some organization that calls itself Libertarian.
Lol.no need for the pettiness.I know a lot of conservatives have taken the libertarian mindset and it is worrying to me especially when we are at war with a collective force like the Left. I also know that the libertarian party and leaders are mostly clowns who just want much pot and other forms of degeneracy, some are mostly anarcho-communists.I just asked what they can do at the moment to help us because lot of conservatives are being targeted online?
Very well put, there are a lot of idiots who identify themselves as Libertarian-socialist. It's an oxymoron but they think it's ok.
Corporations are not free market. They are maintained by reams of anti-competitive regulation enacted by their lobbyists in DC and protected with liability shielding. They are practically extensions of the government as their monopoly in business is maintained by a government's monopoly on force.
Also the corporations are "people" which makes no sense. This was the biggest mistake (that was done on purpose) since 19th century when this idiocy was litigated.
what is your solution?
Rip away their governmental protection, let lawyers sue them into oblivion and let agile small businesses devour their market share. Then there will be a decentralizing of the economy and a decentralizing of the rewards of industry.
nice. why isn't the Trump administration doing this?
The Trump admin seems to want to align corporate power with American prosperity by using tariffs and incentivizing investment. It is more of a mercantilist system which is proven historically to generate a lot of wealth. It still leaves us with diminished freedom in some ways, however. Taking down corporations' unholy union with government will encounter a lot of resistance from the revolving door of corporate and government leadership and is more of a long term goal as a steady erosion leading to another American revolution. I don't think it can be achieved solely through government power and would instead come about through spreading principles of freedom. The American colonists also struggled against oppressive English corporations and the Founding Fathers found ways to limit corporate power, at least in the beginning.
Absolutely NOT, They took votes from Trump. I had a long discussion with Rep. Ron Paul In 1988 when he ran for office of the President. I told him he would never get elected as a libertarian and was proved right. He also agreed that an “income tax” on wages and earning was unconstitutional, however he ran on a 10% flat tax that is also unconstitutional. His son Rand Paul is also a libertarian. Both only got elected running as Republicans.
Short answer, no.
They want to round up all the Trump supporters because in their minds its the same as us wanting to round up and deport illegals.
honestly, play the scenario out, including with banks. it ends up a net positive.
meaning: would you rather have R/t_d right now or this dom right here?
even if it happens with banks, it's a net positive. look at all the corruption Trump has brought attention to just by being himself, in every aspect of our lives. if banks start doing this- which some of them already have- we will learn they are pyramid schemes that need us, not vice-versa.
if we could start thinking longterm..well, it's hard for me to do that usually. see: me telling ticktocks to shove their predictions up their asses until something happens.
but Paypal is a PIECE OF SHIT. always has been. now this is getting exposed to more people. and theere are ALREADY alternatives for this exact reason. this is my point. libertarians, although smelly, aren't always wrong about everything.
Damn Dewey Decimal System
I'm pretty disgusted politically. Libertarian leanings who thinks that prettymuch the only thing that matters is the Bill of Rights. Although I'm disappointed w/Trump on that front, I'm 100000000% on board with you all here. Been pushing back against this totalitarian shit since...hmmm...before lots of you were born? One point you might be missing in the vs. Big Tech conversation: These monster MNCs (multi-nationals) are effectively governments themselves - complete with laws (eulas, etc.), currencies, armies (look into the mercenary armies of big oil, among others). I don't think most of us in our right minds think that's "free market".
that is the truth,I tell people that big tech and pharma are not successes of capitalism but successes of corporatism which is government attaching themselves to big business.it is the case in Venezuela; the only thing is that these American companies are more sophisticated.
Oh, and don't conflate the modern Libertarian Party with libertarian values (for want of a better phrase). They've lost their way in a big way in the last twenty years or so.
So in a word, "yes" - we absolutely can and do help the cause. The Deep State has declared war on us, too. We value principles and act on them. No better allies to be found.