HOA’s are communism. I live in Canada, we don’t really have them, I don’t understand how you pay for them to tell you what you can and can’t do with your home and property.
There is a Libertarian case for HOAs. I live in a huge community with an HOA. We do not rely on government for keeping our neighborhood and parks clean. Our parks and pools are our's. We have a stake in how they are run and they are maintained perfectly.
You do need to to get permission for doing major stuff on the outside of your house, but it is easy. Nobody's home looks like shit. HOAs get a bad rap, I like them (at least I like mine).
Are you saying the fees and rules never change after you bought a house, and that it is impossible that they could change despite your best effort to resist it? Are you allowed to cede from the HOA after purchase if you find it is not worth it?
It's true. I bought a condo and I knew I was getting into HOA. But instead of bitching about the dues like everybody does, I joined the board and spotted the rotten guy doing all the corruption. We amended the by laws to remove corrupt members, balanced the budget and we are now rebuilding at about $20,000/ month from net profit.
MAGA its not just about cheering for Trump. It's about doing leg work.
The HOA is the government by any libertarian definition. They can make rules and use violence (eviction). This they are a government
Even worse they have no restrictions on their ability to legislate when it comes to your home whereas normal american governments do, when they're not runby democrats at least.
I think you could argue that in a neighborhood setting, if one person doesn’t maintain their property, it will negatively impact the value of their neighbors’ property. I think all conservatives would agree that one citizen shouldn’t be allowed to deprive another of property, or to devalue that property...
It's the exact same argument that leads to saying one potentially infectious person shouldn't be allowed to deprive other people of their health, therefore everyone must be told how to take care of their own bodies.
The value of your property is linked to the "community", but the nature of the community can either be decided by the free choice of the individuals OR through the dictate of the government.
Free choice is risky, but it is free. Dictated conformity is safe, but individuals must be controlled.
America was founded on the former, not the latter.
What I mean is, HOAs are specifically not the government. They are a voluntary association of property owners. Citizens agree to the HOA rules and regulations when they purchase the property. The HOA is conducted in the manner of a democracy, with votes required to pass new rules or modify/remove old ones.
The only good thing about an HOA is when you have a shitty neighbor that lets weeds grow or doesn’t maintain their house. There are a lot of shitty neighbors.
If you must live in an HOA, run for the Board. I did for 6 years and stopped the stupid things like letting fines build up for a mailbox needing maintenance.
We had $500 worth of fines for one house, when replacing the mailbox costs $150 or less. They usually aren’t smart people, just people that like control.
That's the issue, you have to weigh the odds of someone letting their expensive house decay to a point it affects yours, versus being suffocated by a bunch of nancy control freaks who want to regulate everything. Cities often have rules on things like grass length, etc.
One big issue is developers make these tiny lots that bump you up next to your neighbors to the point where you can't walk outside to your deck without 3-4 neighbor houses able see what you're doing. You can't build huge walls around your lot, it's all just a big fishbowl that is prime for bored nancy snoopers.
HOAs are why we basically have no neighborhoods anymore. Everyone hates each other because of the way they create tension and power struggles amongst neighbors. They should be BANNED.
Good point and completely true. My bad experiences with HOAs is mostly in AZ, NV AND CA. Probably related more to the Californication (great fucking show btw) of the western states. My parents had an hoa in Texas in a large development where everyone has an acre + and that one was fantastic and people got a long. But people are just nicer in Texas anyways as a general rule.
EDIT: had a client years back who had a neighbor who was an HOA nazi. My guy was going dumb shit (running a blow up jumping castle business out of his garage and parking a box truck there whenever it wasn't being used) but the guy rectified the issue by moving everything to a storage unit and parking the truck elsewhere We thought the problem was solved. Then we get the HOA attorney (the true scum of the earth type people, totally unethical 99% of the time as well) sending us letters with the box truck and other vehicles parked in front of his house in the middle of the day WHEN HE WAS GOING HOME FOR LUNCH! Client swore the guy must have a camera installed pointed at his house but I didn't want him going over there to look. Took my room mate by there and had him jump out of the car and get a picture of the camera that was attached to the eaves and pointed DIRECTLY at my client's house. Pretty sure it was automated as well. These sorts of people are the worst of the worst I think and sadly theyve only been emboldened more by the internet and cancel culture.
Can you post the HoA rule, specifically? Typically a creative way to work around. For example if you are limited in number, what about size? Would one giant sign work?
Sure, but there is ALWAYS a technicality to exploit where you follow the letter but disobey the spirit of a law.
Example: a friend of mine had this issue. But guess what...signs are not banners, at least not in this jurisdiction. So she now has a HUGE banner in her yard after neighbors complained about the signs
What's the exact text of the rule? For example, a friend of mine had a similar rule on signs but it said nothing about banners. So some HUGE banners went up promptly after sign complaints.
Previously served on our HOA board to stop the cuckery afoot in our neighborhood. Ask for a copy of the CC&Rs, find the exact section you are in violation of. Next look for others in the neighborhood that are in violation of that section or others, not as a way to "tattle" on them but rather demonstrate non-uniform enforcement of the codes and restrictions. Not sure what state you're in but there was a grace period in our HOA for political signs around election "season".
I like your resolve, BananaSammich. You've got balls.
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Funny there was a mass email from my HOA this morning saying we had to take our political signs down because TX law prevents HOA from restricting political signs until 10 days after the election.
Now that it's over 10 days, they're telling us to take them down.
I wouldnt live in a neighborhood with an HOA if the house was free.
Parents neighborhood is run by a HOA, during a severe storm a neighbor had a tree limb go straight through their roof. They patched it with a tarp and called the roofers who said that color wasn't being made anymore so if they want it to match they have to buy a whole new roof, so they did, just a standard color, nothing crazy....
HOA fined them for not spending two months during thunderstorm season with a gaping hole in the roof while those fucking cucks had a meeting about it and told them what the approved color they are allowed to redo their roof in was.
Total fucking socialism.
There's even a book I once read (I think called the association) that's reads like this. Basically dystopian where the rules mean total control of the residents and dissent is punished with beatings and death. I remember it as a good book.
Unfortunately you agree to the covenants when you buy the house. They are disclosed, but people that have never lived in one don’t know to REALLY read them.
I know it as state laws on political signs. Indiana has limitations on 30 days before and 7 days after Election Day. In that period, you cannot limit politics, signs, but you can all others (HOAs included.)
HOA’s are communism. I live in Canada, we don’t really have them, I don’t understand how you pay for them to tell you what you can and can’t do with your home and property.
Ned... where have I heard that name before...
You clever son of a bitch I like it!
It only makes sense for condominiums where the fee goes towards maintenance, lawn and garden etc.
There is a Libertarian case for HOAs. I live in a huge community with an HOA. We do not rely on government for keeping our neighborhood and parks clean. Our parks and pools are our's. We have a stake in how they are run and they are maintained perfectly.
You do need to to get permission for doing major stuff on the outside of your house, but it is easy. Nobody's home looks like shit. HOAs get a bad rap, I like them (at least I like mine).
A libertarian case would make HOAs voluntary.
HOAs ARE voluntary.
No one buys a house and then SURPRISE! finds out they are suddenly in a HOA. People know about it going in.
Following that logic are taxes voluntary seeing as you haven't moved out of the country?
Are you saying the fees and rules never change after you bought a house, and that it is impossible that they could change despite your best effort to resist it? Are you allowed to cede from the HOA after purchase if you find it is not worth it?
You, I like you.
So people willingly choosing to stay in the USA means they agree with everything the government makes them pay for?
That is not my logic. Your comment lacks enlightenment and clue, and you are missing a fundamental concept in this issue.
No one forces you to buy a house in a HOA neighborhood. Are people really this retarded?
No one forces you to live in the USA after you’re an adult, but that doesn’t mean taxes here are voluntary.
Not the same argument in any way. You just reminded me that critical thinking, like civics, is no longer taught in most schools.
Hey man, we all know it is a trade off. I myself don't even like them.
Gayest argument ever.
It's true. I bought a condo and I knew I was getting into HOA. But instead of bitching about the dues like everybody does, I joined the board and spotted the rotten guy doing all the corruption. We amended the by laws to remove corrupt members, balanced the budget and we are now rebuilding at about $20,000/ month from net profit. MAGA its not just about cheering for Trump. It's about doing leg work.
MAGA celebrates personal responsibility and common sense!
Not an argument. Rather is is reality, and due diligence is part of being a grown up. You'll find this out someday.
The HOA is the government by any libertarian definition. They can make rules and use violence (eviction). This they are a government
Even worse they have no restrictions on their ability to legislate when it comes to your home whereas normal american governments do, when they're not runby democrats at least.
I think you could argue that in a neighborhood setting, if one person doesn’t maintain their property, it will negatively impact the value of their neighbors’ property. I think all conservatives would agree that one citizen shouldn’t be allowed to deprive another of property, or to devalue that property...
With all respect, this is so wrong.
It's the exact same argument that leads to saying one potentially infectious person shouldn't be allowed to deprive other people of their health, therefore everyone must be told how to take care of their own bodies.
The value of your property is linked to the "community", but the nature of the community can either be decided by the free choice of the individuals OR through the dictate of the government.
Free choice is risky, but it is free. Dictated conformity is safe, but individuals must be controlled.
America was founded on the former, not the latter.
I think you’re mischaracterizing the issue.
What I mean is, HOAs are specifically not the government. They are a voluntary association of property owners. Citizens agree to the HOA rules and regulations when they purchase the property. The HOA is conducted in the manner of a democracy, with votes required to pass new rules or modify/remove old ones.
The only good thing about an HOA is when you have a shitty neighbor that lets weeds grow or doesn’t maintain their house. There are a lot of shitty neighbors. If you must live in an HOA, run for the Board. I did for 6 years and stopped the stupid things like letting fines build up for a mailbox needing maintenance. We had $500 worth of fines for one house, when replacing the mailbox costs $150 or less. They usually aren’t smart people, just people that like control.
That's the issue, you have to weigh the odds of someone letting their expensive house decay to a point it affects yours, versus being suffocated by a bunch of nancy control freaks who want to regulate everything. Cities often have rules on things like grass length, etc.
One big issue is developers make these tiny lots that bump you up next to your neighbors to the point where you can't walk outside to your deck without 3-4 neighbor houses able see what you're doing. You can't build huge walls around your lot, it's all just a big fishbowl that is prime for bored nancy snoopers.
HOAs are why we basically have no neighborhoods anymore. Everyone hates each other because of the way they create tension and power struggles amongst neighbors. They should be BANNED.
Good point and completely true. My bad experiences with HOAs is mostly in AZ, NV AND CA. Probably related more to the Californication (great fucking show btw) of the western states. My parents had an hoa in Texas in a large development where everyone has an acre + and that one was fantastic and people got a long. But people are just nicer in Texas anyways as a general rule.
People definitely are nicer and more civilized in TX that CA. I will attest to that in a court of law.
Defund the HOA
That seems to be the sole purpose of an HOA.
Get on the board. Stop the harassment.
Pretty sure it's that sanctimonious liberal neighbor with a Prius. Yes offense if that's yours. Can't really tell which driveway it's in.
Haha. I'm probably just biased because here in loony NoVa, 9 times out of 10, a Prius has at least two liberal bumper stickers.
Pry-USE!
Nice! It's like a pick-up truck with a liberal stickers. Still haven't seen that.
If I took over an HOA I would replace every member with potheads who aren't motivated to do shit so they mind their own business.
Motivated pothead here, I also wouldn’t do shit. But that’s because I’m not a tiny dicked communist trying to wield power over my neighbors.
You know who I mean.
Oh i do!
EDIT: had a client years back who had a neighbor who was an HOA nazi. My guy was going dumb shit (running a blow up jumping castle business out of his garage and parking a box truck there whenever it wasn't being used) but the guy rectified the issue by moving everything to a storage unit and parking the truck elsewhere We thought the problem was solved. Then we get the HOA attorney (the true scum of the earth type people, totally unethical 99% of the time as well) sending us letters with the box truck and other vehicles parked in front of his house in the middle of the day WHEN HE WAS GOING HOME FOR LUNCH! Client swore the guy must have a camera installed pointed at his house but I didn't want him going over there to look. Took my room mate by there and had him jump out of the car and get a picture of the camera that was attached to the eaves and pointed DIRECTLY at my client's house. Pretty sure it was automated as well. These sorts of people are the worst of the worst I think and sadly theyve only been emboldened more by the internet and cancel culture.
Also a pot head, slightly less motivated than Mr. SilverBack.
Even I can see the potential for tyranny in a HOA.
My policy is this: Never let your front yard be the shittiest looking yard on your street. Never be the low hanging fruit.
Right. As long as the weeds in your neighbors yard are higher than yours you're good.
HOAs can all go to Hell.
Can you post the HoA rule, specifically? Typically a creative way to work around. For example if you are limited in number, what about size? Would one giant sign work?
Good idea. I bet there's a size limit though.
Sure, but there is ALWAYS a technicality to exploit where you follow the letter but disobey the spirit of a law.
Example: a friend of mine had this issue. But guess what...signs are not banners, at least not in this jurisdiction. So she now has a HUGE banner in her yard after neighbors complained about the signs
What's the exact text of the rule? For example, a friend of mine had a similar rule on signs but it said nothing about banners. So some HUGE banners went up promptly after sign complaints.
Great job sticking up for yourself.
Do a go fund me, i will totally help out!
As long as you don't use gofundme, fuck those terrorists.
I’m in. Post the link.
Previously served on our HOA board to stop the cuckery afoot in our neighborhood. Ask for a copy of the CC&Rs, find the exact section you are in violation of. Next look for others in the neighborhood that are in violation of that section or others, not as a way to "tattle" on them but rather demonstrate non-uniform enforcement of the codes and restrictions. Not sure what state you're in but there was a grace period in our HOA for political signs around election "season".
This guy governs.
You have a phaggy neighbor driving a fkn Prius
The signs look like they are in the yard with the Prius.
😬
You are awesome pede!🇺🇸😊
I like your resolve, BananaSammich. You've got balls.
Need any more signs (for your house or vehicles' windows)?
I have a thread with over 30 more sign and "bumper sticker" mini-sign designs like this, all free for you to download and print out.
There are Pro-Trump, theDonald.win, Stop the Steal, Anti-Voter Fraud, Anti-Fake News, and more designs for signs. Send me suggestions and I will make custom signs for you.
Image links for the signs are in the comments in the thread linked below:
https://thedonald.win/p/11PpPNNbW7/to-everyone-saying-to-themselves/c/
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God
I am never living in a fucking HOA again. I encourage everyone here not to either; they are a form of cancer.
Hell, yeah!! 👊🇺🇸
Your Christmas light game seems strong tho...
I hope those are for this year, and even then it’s way too fucking early for Christmas.
Came here to judge this as well
my sign is looking rough but its standing strong!
free men dont bow to HOA busy bodies!
Yes - high energy! Wish I was your neighbor!
Texas Pede here.. home style definitely looks familiar!
Funny there was a mass email from my HOA this morning saying we had to take our political signs down because TX law prevents HOA from restricting political signs until 10 days after the election.
Now that it's over 10 days, they're telling us to take them down.
How much was the fine?
Does your neighbors prius have a Obama sticker??
your mission. get on the board.
your second mission get rid of the rules.
your third mission disband it.
I wouldnt live in a neighborhood with an HOA if the house was free.
Parents neighborhood is run by a HOA, during a severe storm a neighbor had a tree limb go straight through their roof. They patched it with a tarp and called the roofers who said that color wasn't being made anymore so if they want it to match they have to buy a whole new roof, so they did, just a standard color, nothing crazy....
HOA fined them for not spending two months during thunderstorm season with a gaping hole in the roof while those fucking cucks had a meeting about it and told them what the approved color they are allowed to redo their roof in was.
Total fucking socialism.
There's even a book I once read (I think called the association) that's reads like this. Basically dystopian where the rules mean total control of the residents and dissent is punished with beatings and death. I remember it as a good book.
Just tape them all together and it's one sign
Tell them to go fuck off it's your property.
Same with property taxes, it's never really yours. You are only renting it from whomever your paying taxes to, stop paying and see what happens
This. Property tax is the worst kind of tax.
Stitch them together as one sign.
Glue them all together onto one big sign!
how can you get fined for having too many signs on your property? there are billboards everywhere and you can't have your own?
Freedom means your neighbor can do as they please. And you can too.
Unfortunately you agree to the covenants when you buy the house. They are disclosed, but people that have never lived in one don’t know to REALLY read them.
If it wasn't implied, I'm not a fan of HOA's. I'd rather my neighborhood have freedom than look spotless and generic.
You need some street trees in that hellscape you live in.
Are you sure the fine wasn't for having Christmas lights up before Thanksgiving?
Attach the signs to your car.
Haha good for you, awesome!
Looks like a bad place to live.
Nice ! FTF
That USPS truck, though...
If you staple them all together, they are one sign. Get big brained with them Pede.
HOA's are less than useless
Outstanding display! I also live in an HOA and most people kept their Trump signs up.
I know it as state laws on political signs. Indiana has limitations on 30 days before and 7 days after Election Day. In that period, you cannot limit politics, signs, but you can all others (HOAs included.)
How about a Trump topiary, or three? Really want them to stroke out, paint the roof yellow and the house orange.