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muslimporn 18 points ago +19 / -1

I'm not a religious type but the impression I get from the story of Jesus isn't someone against the system but against bad actors that abuse the system.

Any system. The system of justice, the system of finance.

Communists want to replace the system with even more system.

They have a religious belief that if they do that somehow everyone becomes magically benevolent like Jesus.

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thebesig 18 points ago +19 / -1

Jesus encouraged productivity. You're correct in that he wasn't against the system itself, just the bad actors who were pursuing objectives inconsistent with God's commandments.

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kag-2020- 8 points ago +9 / -1

He told a story of three men, two who worked to produce and one who called their master a fascist. He gave the first two everything he gave them originally, two fold, and took everything from the latter.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Interesting rendition of the parable!

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Aoikaze2000 8 points ago +8 / -0

That's a pretty good take of it. Jesus didn't want to destroy the priesthood, but called out the Sadducees and Pharisees because they were extraordinarily hypocritical, and were also virtue signaling without really having the actions to back up what they proclaimed.

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tholins 8 points ago +8 / -0

Jesus wasn’t a political leader.

TheJews wanted that. They believed the messiah was going to be another King David, a strong military leader to steer Israel as a political entity. But the salvation offered by the Son of God was never intended to be an earthly end unto itself, nor was it limited to just the Jewish people, as they had believed it would be.

This is likely why you see the emphasis in the Gospels differentiating secular/political/earthly and transcendent concerns. Jesus wasn’t here for the narrow concerns of the contemporary Jewish state.

Once the elites of Israel (the Pharisees) figured this out, they had to get rid of him. Jesus was constantly having to fend off the Jewish leadership trying to trap him. They’re always either trying to get him to come out against the Law or take some kind of anti-Rome political stance; I mean, the excuse they use to hand him over for execution is that he’s fermenting some kind of rebellion against Rome.

The problem Marxism has is that it got very tangled up with a couple of Victorian ideas about how humanity is cognitively/emotionally evolving along with technology. IE, as our technology and knowledge base improves, human nature itself is literally changing as well into some kind of ideal state.

This, of course, is at odds both with secular biological reality and the concept of Original Sin from Christianity. Mankind is fallen, and the only perfection we will achieve - the only transcendence available to us - is found through Jesus Christ and his merciful sacrifice for the good of our species. Marxism, by comparison, thinks that mankind can be made perfect absent that divine mercy. In a way, man becomes his own god.

You don’t have believe in Christianity to see how much evil can and has been done in pursuit of that latter concept.

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timetocrush 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup and man becoming his own god is the same exact lie satan told Eve in the garden. It's the oldest lie in history.