I see people saying how bad a Civil War would be (communists vs patriots). But I truly believe if there was a war, it would be over in less than a day. If we just stood up as a show of force, they would surrender immediately. Leftists are cowards, we aren't yet disarmed, and pro-communists groups haven't been armed by the government (haven't got that far yet).
Here are the sides that are likely to fight:
Patriots Side:
-Most of the military
-The vast majority of gun owners
-Proud Boys
-Most of the police
Communists Side:
-Antifa
-BLM
-Some of the angry Democrat mob (likely not armed either)
As you can see, all they have are BLM/Antifa. These are the only types that I could actually see going out in the streets. The commies have a lot of people in power such as Big Tech, and the media, but those types aren't going to be fighting.
Considering how they fled from the Proud Boys in DC and are only willing to attack women and children, I think they would surrender when faced with millions of armed patriots. They are cowards.
That's why I truly believe if our side organized all at once (tens of millions of Americans) in a peaceful show of force. And demanded the end of the coup, and demand we restore integrity, liberty, and Constitution. Demand all corrupt communists and coup plotters step down from their positions and they would do it.
Incorrect. They’d invite the Chinese onshore and this nation would never be the same again. Probably a genocide or purge on conservatives.
The Japanese wasn't dumb enough to invade the US in WW2 even though the military couldn't stop them until they hit the Mississippi river
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=SCDgwJRWqBU
It wouldn’t matter.
And Canada/Mexico
So naive, young child.
He’s not naïve. It would not last long.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=SCDgwJRWqBU
Yeah, listen. The media will proclaim that Biden is the legitimate president of the united states. When we rise up he will ask the UN to help saying that the legitimate president is being overthrown asking our allies to form UN peace keepers and send them in to America.
We will be fighting every major enemy of the US by proxy of the Peace Keepers. The military is part of the military industrial complex so count the military as 50/50. Most soldiers will not fight american citizens. Some will just follow orders. Those that don't will defect and join the "Rebellion or Revolt" but don't kid yourself this will be horror and even when we win it is exactly what they want. They want American fighting Americans. They are pushing the divide between the parties so hard in order to divide and conquer us.
It's going to be hell and it's going to be here in our streets. The only option we will have is to kill so many they don't want to send any more.
Also NEVER UNDERESTIMATE your enemy.
The alternative is worse.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=SCDgwJRWqBU
I believe the source that the guy is quoting in that video is likely James Wesley Rawles, he has a series of Survior/prepper books which are a great read. If not they are speaking the same language. It' an interesting break down and I hope it's correct. Never under estimate your enemy.
It looks to be a pretty fair assessment. An over estimation of the opposition can prevent action, when action is essential to survival.
Don't get me wrong. I have zero doubt about victory or the outcome, merely the number of casualties. They are driving us toward this conflict and China and many middle eastern countries could mobilize a lot of boots but I really hope this assessment is correct.
Also one factor he missing on his score card are the number of foreigners in America who's activities during a civil ware are questionable at best. With 11 million illegals (More like 20 million) there could be as many as 1 million enemy combatants already here. Again, we would wipe them out but I believe it's an over simplification of the problem.
Most of their side are propagandists. That is their army. Only a handful of theirs have the balls to fight someone, and even they require a 15:1 ratio against elderly people and children.
Exactly. All of their power comes from propaganda. They don't really have anyone with the balls to actually fight.
An interesting thing for them to find out would be that them coming here, would be like us going into Afghanistan. They would be in a very hostile foreign land, halfway around the world, and sticking out like a sore thumb.
But we aren't a developing nation.
Chinese are a lot of things, but not stupid. they don't want a hot war with us. They want us cucked, and they are patient. We will prevail, and they will have to wait many years, and keep working at it. They can take a setback like this, learn from it, and strategize for the next opportunity.
We won the election in a big way, and Trump trapped the deep state. They are caught, and we will prevail, no matter how far we have to take this. We understand there will be no next time. If they steal this, it is over for Patriots.
Stand by, Stand Ready, and HOLD THE LINE.
I am not a "joining" kind of guy but these leftists groups are driving me to join a group just to counter the enemy within.
I like your enthusiasm but they thought the same thing in 1861 and it turned out wayyyyyyy differently. If it went hot we'd find ourselves in a guerilla type situation completely disorganized and where we'd have to duck internet, drones, loyalist military career brass with units directly under their control and a litany of other shit like honeypot meet-ups that'd end with our immediate lining up to the wall and being MG'ed on the spot.
Those were different times. Democrats were much different back then, they were self-reliant and self-sufficient. They all knew how to hunt and use guns.
Compare to Democrats/leftists today. Most of them are wimpy SJWers with emotional and mental issues. The types that are 'literally shaking' whenever they hear Trump's name and post about it on Twitter. Almost none of them own firearms, and they are scared of them. Go watch videos of these types shooting guns for the first time (such as Buzz Feed) and how terrified they are.
That's why I'm saying, all the lefts power is pretty much just talk and propaganda. That's it.
There might be small numbers of pro-communist factions of the military that break off and fight against us, but they would be heavily outnumbered.
Hate to break it to you but the beauty of an AK-47 is that its so god-damned ez to use an 8 year old from Africa can be handed one and land accurate shots at 50 yards.
No wonder they importing so many Somalis into the country
Well you kinda get it, imagine us in hills surrounding a city in a siege like scenario when all of a sudden we see Chinese Commie Style Bonzai Charges of inner city thugs promised they get to keep the plunder of those killed. The question is are we going to have artillery and are they going to have drones armed w/ gas.
The average Democrat/leftist is terrified to take their mask off. These people are also terrified of guns. If you handed them an AK47 they would probably scream in fright and throw it away.
Literally absolutely nobody knows how a civil war would go here.
correct. and it would be a nuclear civil war by definition.
The problem isn't whether they have more people or we do - the problem is knowing who they are and where they are. We aren't going to get a North v South part II type of civil war with sides lined up facing each other in a field. Right now, if you, theoretically, wanted to take out the commies, where would you go to do it? Who would you target, specifically?
In our hypothetical scenario: Masses of antifa would certainly run like pussies, as would BLM faggots, but that wouldn't end anything. The National Guard would be called in, etc. The only reasonable goal would be for patriots to seize control of all levels of government from the communists, but you better be sure who the commies are and who aren't. Then you have to get the various services, like the National Guard, police forces etc. to accept your control.
That's a bit trickier than it sounds, and is the main reason that civil wars tend to destroy countries. However, it would still be a better option than living under a usurped dictatorship. Hypothetically speaking of course.
Don’t count on the current police or military. They just follow whatever order is given to them Ex cops and vets probably yes, And why would the fight be against Antifa street thugs who are just the foot soldiers instead of going after the head of the snake?
The left has no problem engaging in threats and violence. The non communists do not. If Biden had lost legitimately or had it stolen, there would be riots. Trump gets election stolen and his supporters just engage in peaceful protests. I don’t see his supporters doing anything but complain.
That's because we're rational enough to not jump the gun before Trump has played his hand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=SCDgwJRWqBU
The left takes control of the govt apparatus and that changes the entire nature of the conflict. This is much more likely
If they held the executive branch, they would hold a lot more power in that regard (such as ordering the military or agencies to attack patriots). But many of the non-leadership in the military are pro-American, and would refuse orders to attack their own. So many factions would break off.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=SCDgwJRWqBU
The left are narcissists. Ever have a blowout with a narcissist? They'll push you to the edge, both of you blow-up, which is when they suck-up your life-force, then it's smiles and cheers for a couple weeks until the cycle starts up again, except every time it restarts, your life-force and the ground that you stand on is ever more eroded. Lincoln didn't slaughter the forces of evil that pushed us to a civil war, and now we're in the blowup phase. They won't surrender, they'll just fade into the mist, cutting our forces down by making us look crazy for calling arms.
ISIS Fighters have been infiltrated and have been training dissidents.
The momentum would absolutely shift in the favor of the constitutionalists if forces were applied to detain the deep state leadership and officers and they were brought to trial. It actually seems to me it would be way more effective if citizens took that action instead of bureaucrats. Since the bureaucrats have put personal politics in front of the constitution. As a result they are obstruction the constitutional application of law and assisting in moving goal posts at the 11th hour in most cases.
The pinko foot soldiers would have no way to organize without their media dog whistles and officer organizers injecting the foriegn financial assets.
If you havent noticed by how intimidated the coup plotters are by peaceful shows of support. They know the second it happens they have to jettison in their escape pods.
I don't think the left would surrender in a day. That group of government workers that they despise, the police, would get a rush of panic calls from them to come & fight back the Patriots. Folks - this is why conservatives need to make a concerted effort to join forces with police departments. We need them to be on our side.
Don't be naive. There are all sorts of variables that are unknown or only partially known.
They gonna invite the UN and China over. Fuck it, they can catch hands too.
Is this some kind of joke post or are you genuinely this naive?
They have literally every media on their side.
They have the Uniparty on their side.
The cops are on their side.
Half the military will blindly follow orders and another part will just try to keep their opinion of Trump to themselves.
You think a bunch of Republicans who couldn't even come out to protest are going to take up their guns and fight a war against literally the whole world??
If war comes, it will likely be the most horrific war of the 21st century.
There is no surrender. You pushed and pushed now its time to pay the piper.
Antifa and the like are just pawns. It's the puppet masters that are the real threat.
I believe that there are at least three things which would kick off a secession movement in a Biden administration.
I'm sure there are plenty more, maybe involving immigration, but those three specifically would be catalysts.
Moreover, the more I think about the direction of our nation, the more I'm concerned. There are tens of millions of Americans who genuinely want Socialism, a New World Order, and the end of traditional America. These people think its okay to murder the unborn and then sterilize children later. They believe the law should only be used as a bludgeon to intimidate and manipulate the population instead of the blind arbiter which we all respect and protect.
These people are evil. They don't want to live with us, why are we fighting so hard to live with them. What is the point?
All that being said, no one wants war, they're counting on that. We need to start thinking of avenues of separation outside of war.
Could we split by:
How to Split Federal Resources? This includes Military Assets.
How do we handle business across nations?
Mutual Defense Pact between nations?
Property Swap for individuals who don't want to live in their area?
There are so many questions, but maybe if smart enough people get involved we could think through many/most of the logistical issues so that war may not be necessary.